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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Northern Raider » February 20, 2019, 11:32 am

Coastalraider wrote:
February 20, 2019, 11:13 am
Northern Raider wrote:
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F1 testing well under way now. Ferrari putting the foot down and trying to intimidate rivals early. Mercedes not interested and just sandbagging inthe middle of the pack. McLaren and Haas looking a bit more competitive. Gasly breaking his new Red Bull, while bits are breaking off Ricciardo's new Renault.

Its all fun to watch but times and figures don't mean much till lights out in Melbourne in a few weeks time.
Like you said fun to watch but not really indicative.

Interestingly, I was listening to Gary Andersons day 1 review, and he was almost disappointed that from viewing on track every car looked well refined already. The only real variance was responsiveness due to fuel load, or corner speed due to better funded teams having higher levels of overall downforce - but it doesn't look like anyone has really got it wrong this year with the new regs.

Times will start to be a bit more relevant mid week 2.
Yep, testing is exactly that - testing. All teams are tinkering with almost an infinite number of variables. End of next week's session will be a better guide, albeit still somewhat misleading.
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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Rick » February 20, 2019, 11:40 am

The Kelly’s would be nuts not to get a couple of other teams on board to make it an attractive option.

WAU logically would transition to a Camero with their HSV links and I think a partnership between KR and them would make it worth while.

Supercars needs to do something to even up the amount of cars on the track. Currently it’s the old Commodore Cup with 4 invites from Nissan and 6 from Ford.


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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by -TW- » February 20, 2019, 2:36 pm

Can't say I'm a massive fan of the Mustang

Only one that looks any good is Cam Waters Monster Energy one

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » February 21, 2019, 8:56 am

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The Kelly’s would be nuts not to get a couple of other teams on board to make it an attractive option.

WAU logically would transition to a Camero with their HSV links and I think a partnership between KR and them would make it worth while.

Supercars needs to do something to even up the amount of cars on the track. Currently it’s the old Commodore Cup with 4 invites from Nissan and 6 from Ford.


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Without outside investment from a manufacturer it becomes a near impossible task. Sponsorship revenue is getting harder to come by, so outlaying a really significant sum to design, create and mass produce a completely new chassis and potentially engine is not worth return, especially when they have the option of picking parts off the shelf right now, with existing infrastructure to support it.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 21, 2019, 3:53 pm

Yeah I agree. I’m trying to find the article, but Todd was saying KR are set up as a manufacturing and homologation team, so resorting to picking Holden or Ford parts off the shelf goes against what they’re about.
It’s increased my respect for the team, and I really hope they can get something.
Found the article https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/02/16/ke ... -for-2020/


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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » February 21, 2019, 4:18 pm

It really is a huge expense in development costs to develop a new model, even if the chassis is technically the same these days. In isolation, look at a front splitter. That has to be digitally designed and CFD tested. Then it potentially goes through wind tunnel testing for drag/downforce levels. Once that gets approved, a ‘plug, or development model needs to be produced so moulds can be made. A production timeline for a splitter is something around 4 - 5 days of laminating and curing, so multiple mounds need to be made in order to produce enough stock for the start of a season - each car would want at least 5 splitters in circulation. Once the finished product is done, mounting brackets must be designed and manufactured, as pick up points will be different to suit the curvature of the new model. This is usually a combination of machining and fabrication, and a spares inventory needs to be produced as well. Every time a new splitter is designed, everything that comes into contact with it must also be redesigned, so radiator ducting, radiator blanking, brake ducting and blanking, and air intake ducting must all follow the same process as the above, with design, plug, manufacture and mounting stages. Plus spares inventory.

Now multiply that for EVERY external part of the car. Bonnet, windscreens, doors, quarter panels, guards, wings, rear bar, rear wing.

That doesn’t touch on the engine if that is required.

While Kelly’s have the infrastructure to support that, the funding to use it is a very different story.

Continuing with the status quo eliminates virtually all of that work, it’s just some minor updates/development work, and keeping a spares quota.

I would love to see another manufacturer represented, but I doubt it could or would be funded independently.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Rick » February 21, 2019, 10:07 pm

Makes you wonder where Tickford and DJRTP would have been this year had Ford not got back on board. Prior to the Mustang being confirmed last year and the way the parity was shaping up I was half expecting the series to end up just being a new Commodore cup. Marketing more towards a battle between teams rather than manufacturers.


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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by bonehead » February 22, 2019, 7:59 am

Gardner quickest on day 2 of pre-season testing in moto2, good signs.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 22, 2019, 11:35 am

Coastalraider wrote:It really is a huge expense in development costs to develop a new model, even if the chassis is technically the same these days. In isolation, look at a front splitter. That has to be digitally designed and CFD tested. Then it potentially goes through wind tunnel testing for drag/downforce levels. Once that gets approved, a ‘plug, or development model needs to be produced so moulds can be made. A production timeline for a splitter is something around 4 - 5 days of laminating and curing, so multiple mounds need to be made in order to produce enough stock for the start of a season - each car would want at least 5 splitters in circulation. Once the finished product is done, mounting brackets must be designed and manufactured, as pick up points will be different to suit the curvature of the new model. This is usually a combination of machining and fabrication, and a spares inventory needs to be produced as well. Every time a new splitter is designed, everything that comes into contact with it must also be redesigned, so radiator ducting, radiator blanking, brake ducting and blanking, and air intake ducting must all follow the same process as the above, with design, plug, manufacture and mounting stages. Plus spares inventory.

Now multiply that for EVERY external part of the car. Bonnet, windscreens, doors, quarter panels, guards, wings, rear bar, rear wing.

That doesn’t touch on the engine if that is required.

While Kelly’s have the infrastructure to support that, the funding to use it is a very different story.

Continuing with the status quo eliminates virtually all of that work, it’s just some minor updates/development work, and keeping a spares quota.

I would love to see another manufacturer represented, but I doubt it could or would be funded independently.
Very valid points. If they don’t get another manufacturer in, maybe they can keep the manufacturing bug fed by getting into TCR. I’d imagine it’d be cheaper, and keep their staff employed
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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » February 22, 2019, 7:25 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
February 22, 2019, 11:35 am
Coastalraider wrote:It really is a huge expense in development costs to develop a new model, even if the chassis is technically the same these days. In isolation, look at a front splitter. That has to be digitally designed and CFD tested. Then it potentially goes through wind tunnel testing for drag/downforce levels. Once that gets approved, a ‘plug, or development model needs to be produced so moulds can be made. A production timeline for a splitter is something around 4 - 5 days of laminating and curing, so multiple mounds need to be made in order to produce enough stock for the start of a season - each car would want at least 5 splitters in circulation. Once the finished product is done, mounting brackets must be designed and manufactured, as pick up points will be different to suit the curvature of the new model. This is usually a combination of machining and fabrication, and a spares inventory needs to be produced as well. Every time a new splitter is designed, everything that comes into contact with it must also be redesigned, so radiator ducting, radiator blanking, brake ducting and blanking, and air intake ducting must all follow the same process as the above, with design, plug, manufacture and mounting stages. Plus spares inventory.

Now multiply that for EVERY external part of the car. Bonnet, windscreens, doors, quarter panels, guards, wings, rear bar, rear wing.

That doesn’t touch on the engine if that is required.

While Kelly’s have the infrastructure to support that, the funding to use it is a very different story.

Continuing with the status quo eliminates virtually all of that work, it’s just some minor updates/development work, and keeping a spares quota.

I would love to see another manufacturer represented, but I doubt it could or would be funded independently.
Very valid points. If they don’t get another manufacturer in, maybe they can keep the manufacturing bug fed by getting into TCR. I’d imagine it’d be cheaper, and keep their staff employed
Good point!

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » February 22, 2019, 7:27 pm

Rick wrote:
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Makes you wonder where Tickford and DJRTP would have been this year had Ford not got back on board. Prior to the Mustang being confirmed last year and the way the parity was shaping up I was half expecting the series to end up just being a new Commodore cup. Marketing more towards a battle between teams rather than manufacturers.


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I think they would still have developed a new chassis, either self funded (Penske is a bloody massive global company, Kelly’s are an aussie race tram with no other revenue stream) but more likely another manufacturer, as Penske has heaps of dealerships with many car makers, with BIG buying power.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Rick » February 22, 2019, 7:43 pm

So good for the category to have them on board. It’s painful to watch when you just have one team dominate as it was prior to their entry.


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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 25, 2019, 6:04 am

Tander and Caruso have landed gigs on RPM.
I didn’t even know that as a show anymore


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Post by Rick » February 25, 2019, 11:10 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Tander and Caruso have landed gigs on RPM.
I didn’t even know that as a show anymore


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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 25, 2019, 11:20 am

TBH I saw the photo of the panel on Speedcafe. I thought it was Joel Creasey for a moment.

Used to love it back in the day. It was my main source of info for all things Champcar/Indycar. They could never top Bill Woods and Barry Sheene
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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » March 1, 2019, 6:00 pm

Mustangs looked quick on old tires last night, and topped practice today.

They’ll be Jets when they get them sorted.

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Post by Rick » March 2, 2019, 12:20 pm

All looking very positive especially since Adelaide is a track that has not really suited the Fords recently. Will be interesting to see how they go in race runs and how well they look after their tyres.


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Post by Sossman » March 2, 2019, 1:03 pm

They have messed up the parity in the Mustangs. Have a huge advantage to be this quick out of the box.

In person (im actually at the Adelaide 500 this weekend) they are visibly smaller and more compact than the commodores. Must be a CoG / Aero advantage.

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Post by Rick » March 2, 2019, 2:51 pm

Sossman wrote:They have messed up the parity in the Mustangs. Have a huge advantage to be this quick out of the box.

In person (im actually at the Adelaide 500 this weekend) they are visibly smaller and more compact than the commodores. Must be a CoG / Aero advantage.

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The parity is as close as it has ever been between all three makes. Qualifying had the top 4 cars (Ford, Holden, Ford, Holden) all within 0.069 of a second of each other.


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Post by Sossman » March 2, 2019, 3:05 pm

Rick wrote:
Sossman wrote:They have messed up the parity in the Mustangs. Have a huge advantage to be this quick out of the box.

In person (im actually at the Adelaide 500 this weekend) they are visibly smaller and more compact than the commodores. Must be a CoG / Aero advantage.

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The parity is as close as it has ever been between all three makes. Qualifying had the top 4 cars (Ford, Holden, Ford, Holden) all within 0.069 of a second of each other.


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Disagree. Tickford were nowhere the last two years and all of a sudden they're flying.

And it's a brand new car. With no data. And they're all fast.

Jamie and SVG are taking big risks trying to keep up.. Don't let T8 competene mask the fact the new Mustang platform will be dominant this yeah.

Hate to say this but Walkinshaw was right. They should have brought in Camaro instead of "commodore".

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Post by Rick » March 2, 2019, 3:45 pm

It was only last year that Tickford were off the pace. That being said it was only McLaughlin who could keep up with the ZB’s.

Prior to the ZB coming in Tickford had three cars in the top 8 of the championship in 2017 with Chaz being in the hunt for the championship until the last round.

If there was ever any questions over parity they were last year where the ZB even made someone like Lowndes look relevant.

None of the top teams have any data this year as they have overhauled the rules in relation to the springs in which Triple 8 led the field with the use of complex spring set ups.



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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by -TW- » March 2, 2019, 4:01 pm

Tickford/FPR haven't really factored consistently for years, hence why ford buddied up with DJRTP when they decided to come back in

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Post by Sossman » March 2, 2019, 5:33 pm

The Mustang is making someone like Holdsworth look relevent.

Let that sink in.

And lol Frosty what was he thinking going to Team 18.

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Post by Rick » March 2, 2019, 8:19 pm

Sossman wrote:The Mustang is making someone like Holdsworth look relevent.

Let that sink in.

And lol Frosty what was he thinking going to Team 18.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by Coastalraider » March 2, 2019, 8:26 pm

I believed every cars fastest race lap was within 1 second. With 3 makes of chassis, 3 different engines, multiple chassis constructors, that is an amazing result.

The ZB was the first car to be built to the coupe/hatch model, and had an advantage from the start. Even carbon roofs etc which Supercars had to mandate across the board.

This mustang will be a jet. And will be a better platform than the ZB Commodore.

Just like the ZB was a better platform than the falcon last year. Triple8 will always find a way, so don’t worry too much about a 1 horse race.

And people questioning the relevance of Holsworth, he and Will have been driving cars made of floor sweepings recently. This is the first real time they have had brand new, top line anything in a long while. They are both exceptionally experienced drivers in a bloody good team, with an exceptional platform to work off. They are both likely to take some big points this year, I would keep an eye on Will for the Grand Prix, he loves that place and that Mustang should be very well balanced there.

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Re: The Motorsport Thread

Post by bonehead » June 6, 2019, 5:26 pm

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