BadnMean wrote: ↑
May 24, 2019, 10:11 am
PigRickman wrote: ↑
May 24, 2019, 8:01 am
greeneyed wrote: ↑
May 23, 2019, 11:35 pm
Who says Jon didn't learn enough of the language to work it out? I've learned enough of a lot of languages to work out what is being said, but it is much more difficult to speak it.
What evidence did the show give the idea that Jon AND Arya had sound understanding of the language?
That’s the point, if you want to make that scene work, put some dialogue somewhere in the lead up eps to show he’s picked up some Dothraki.
That’s what the show did so incredibly well for 6 seasons and the type of super bad short cuts they’ve made since losing the source material
In general- yes. The short cuts in conveniently shrinking Westeros down to Britain size, when the early plot and maps have it at at least 50 times the size of Britain- not a place you can lark up and down in a week/day and suddenly picking up a language and all the rest. Basically the kind of convenient plot short cuts they didn't have in early series as Martin so studiously and meticulously avoided them.
That's why I'm not fussed how long he takes to write the books. They are good because they are so rich and stand up to scrutiny as well as a peice of world building fiction can and further reads often reveal little elements and clues which add up later.
The screenwriters have to crank out scripts without his talent or depth of understanding and they made some dramatic TV but they are not in the same league as writers and working under such different constraints as a guy who had a literal lifetime to write his magnum opus.
Yeah look, im probably being harsh on the show runners and writers. Their task was not enviable. And frankly, they signed up to adapt the books to the screen, expecting to have the final books to guide them in the ending. Not to finish it for GRRM.
They didnt get it, so in that respect they got as **** as anyone on this.
And the reason the books havent been released is precisely these issues, trying to tie off all the loose ends of such an expansive, wide ranging, intertwining story must be an utter nightmare.
So point well made... i guess all i'd say is it feels like the DD's really just wanted to get on to the next project, HBO were willing to let this story run as long as it needs to (because why not, it's money printing machine for them) but the DD's refused, said they didnt need more time, the story didnt need more time and they could give finish it in 13 eps... that decision proved to be incorrect and kind of selfish... i get that all involved including the actors probably wanted to move on to other projects and the DD's certain did, but i feel at the very least these last two seasons should have been full 10 episode runs. That's another 7 eps to help flesh out some of this stuff that has felt rushed and lazy.
Would it have made the conclusion more satisfying? I think so. I think you can get to this same story, with the Mad Queen and Bran the Broken, which i think most, including the Rickheads here actually think it is a fine ending, but just the path to get there needed more screen time to stick that landing... 7 more eps could have really helped tremendously there (and yeah as others have said, ideally this felt like a nice 9-10 season runs)