The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
As far as I know, they are not in Sydney which suggests that they thought that they were disgusting and got rid of them. I can't speak for other places.
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If I owned one of the businesses around the kinds of places where these are being installed, do you think I would find them disgusting?
To be honest, I really don't want to get into an argument with you. But walking your kids past a bloke having a leak, or sitting down eating lunch with the waft of urine generally isn't appealing to most people. If they were down alleyways, that's one thing but they were front and centre in a mixed use area. The public found them so distasteful that the trial lasted less than a fortnight before it was scrapped,but each to their own I guess.
If I owned one of the businesses around the kinds of places where these are being installed, do you think I would find them disgusting?
To be honest, I really don't want to get into an argument with you. But walking your kids past a bloke having a leak, or sitting down eating lunch with the waft of urine generally isn't appealing to most people. If they were down alleyways, that's one thing but they were front and centre in a mixed use area. The public found them so distasteful that the trial lasted less than a fortnight before it was scrapped,but each to their own I guess.
The trials are still going and the urinals operate from midnight to dawn. They are placed in an area with bars, nightclubs and strip joints, where there is a high incidence of drunken morons pissing on shopfront doors and windows.
If I owned one of the businesses around the kinds of places where these are being installed, do you think I would find them disgusting?
To be honest, I really don't want to get into an argument with you. But walking your kids past a bloke having a leak, or sitting down eating lunch with the waft of urine generally isn't appealing to most people. If they were down alleyways, that's one thing but they were front and centre in a mixed use area. The public found them so distasteful that the trial lasted less than a fortnight before it was scrapped,but each to their own I guess.
The trials are still going and the urinals operate from midnight to dawn. They are placed in an area with bars, nightclubs and strip joints, where there is a high incidence of drunken morons pissing on shopfront doors and windows.
The mayor has asked for the trial to be discontinued. They were opening hours were originally significantly longer. There are a lot of night clubs in the area but there are equally a number of cafes, restaurants and shops, as well as it being one of the main pedestrian thoroughfares through Surfers.
Oh, well I guess the good business owners of that fair city can look forward to their property being micturated upon in the normal manner then.
Personally, I don't see the difference between seeing someone piss all over a shopfront or in an open air urinal in the late evening and early hours of the morning. But then again, I don't work at one of those businesses.
The solution is obviously more cops to solve these public pisser crimes.
Wrong again Bileduct. The solution is installation of CCTV cameras covering every square inch of a 5 mile radius of every pub, along with mandatory minimum sentencing for public urination. I think 6 months or so behind bars should be long enough for them to think about the error of their ways.
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There's public toilets about 40m away, at least from the ones that are positioned at the corner of Cavill and Orchid that seem to have attracted all the attention.
bileduct wrote:There's public toilets about 40m away, at least from the ones that are positioned at the corner of Cavill and Orchid that seem to have attracted all the attention.
So if people are happy just to piss where they feel like it, despite facilities being available, how are the urinals going to solve the problem?
bileduct wrote:There's public toilets about 40m away, at least from the ones that are positioned at the corner of Cavill and Orchid that seem to have attracted all the attention.
So if people are happy just to piss where they feel like it, despite facilities being available, how are the urinals going to solve the problem?
Hence the trial, good doctor. To see whether or not there would be a change to human behaviour.
I would hazard a guess that these urinals have been placed in public pisser hot spots, and that the mindset of the average public pisser is that it's much quicker and more pleasant to take a piss in a shopfront doorway than walk 40m down the road, perhaps wait in line, and then deal with a toilet that is most likely covered in urine and faeces.
Hell, my bathroom is no more than 3 metres away from the end of my bed and yet I still go outside and pee on the neighbours front windows.
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bileduct wrote:There's public toilets about 40m away, at least from the ones that are positioned at the corner of Cavill and Orchid that seem to have attracted all the attention.
So if people are happy just to piss where they feel like it, despite facilities being available, how are the urinals going to solve the problem?
Hence the trial, good doctor. To see whether or not there would be a change to human behaviour.
I would hazard a guess that these urinals have been placed in public pisser hot spots, and that the mindset of the average public pisser is that it's much quicker and more pleasant to take a piss in a shopfront doorway than walk 40m down the road, perhaps wait in line, and then deal with a toilet that is most likely covered in urine and faeces.
So how is walking down the road 40m, waiting in line to take a whiz in something that reeks of piss and dealing with a urine soaked floor any different?
Well good doctor, perhaps the public pissers are people who don't see public urination as such a big deal and it's therefore not worth the additional effort to walk that distance and possibly wait in a line to take a piss at a time of the day when a lot of these businesses are unattended.
This trial was an attempt to see whether or not those same public pissers, if provided with a quick and convenient solution that is also easy to manufacture and maintain, would opt to use it instead of the Ray White entrance a few metres away.
I know the ones in London used to come up from a big manhole in the ground as opposed to portable/temporary ones. They also were often on the sides streets just off a Main Street near a tube. Good idea because you would often head home after a skinful and by the time you got too your tube stop you were willing to piss anywhere!
bileduct wrote:Well good doctor, perhaps the public pissers are people who don't see public urination as such a big deal and it's therefore not worth the additional effort to walk that distance and possibly wait in a line to take a piss at a time of the day when a lot of these businesses are unattended.
This trial was an attempt to see whether or not those same public pissers, if provided with a quick and convenient solution that is also easy to manufacture and maintain, would opt to use it instead of the Ray White entrance a few metres away.
Why bother with a trial when they have been trialled and scrapped in other parts of the country? If they insist on a trial why do the trial during the busiest family time of the year. The place is literally teaming with families at the moment. Why not do it an equally busy but far more gross time of year such as schoolies, when no self-respecting individual would set foot in Surfers?
Lucy wrote:Hell, my bathroom is no more than 3 metres away from the end of my bed and yet I still go outside and pee on the neighbours front windows.
We could be the same person...
That's what I've been trying to tell everybody!!
I was waiting for this.
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