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I’d say it affects all of us. That’s why we care.
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Manbush wrote: November 8, 2020, 5:53 pm Do you honestly believe republicans support free healthcare, free education and welfare?
Errrr no. But Australian's don't believe in free healthcare, education or welfare either. We charge for medicines and if you want a university degree you gotta pay for it.
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And some police support the Democrats, whoop de doo.
Not those entire city councils who voted to defund police and some even wanted to abolish entire police departments. These are not fringe elements they are the mainstream of the Democrat party.
Yes taxes in a lot of places are going down and so are the social services you support while debts are skyrocketing.
They are going down for a reason. Think about it.
Bernies view is nuanced, there are flaws in any system the best systems take the best of everything.
The best systems are capitalism.
They attacked her because of her extreme beliefs and her history of letting those beliefs interfere, you do realise there are more Catholic Democrats in the senate and house than Republican. I notice however you just stuck with Christianity as I pointed out they only support christians and when others are aligned that’s just an unfortunate benefit, what are their views on muslims and atheists for example? Oh wow so the Democrats want people to provide healthcare for women, no wonder Republican hate that.
Can you provide any evidence of Judge Amy Barrrett allowing her "extreme beliefs" to impair her judicial judgment?
As for persecution complex you do realise your link could support that, it says “they believe they are” not that they actually are.
Sure mate they are all imagining it , just like black people. It's all in their heads.
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It's never going to be a fundamental realignment of life in Australia, but the US leadership absolutely impacts us.

Not that I've been watching it like a hawk (and not that it's the only example), though I understand word out of the Biden camp is that they'll be applying international pressure on climate change policy through things like trade deals

Perhaps Australia will soon be beaten over the head behind closed doors with our own political football. Regardless of how drastically climate policy would actually affect daily life, the political aspirations many a former and would-be leader are strewn in its wake.
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gergreg wrote: November 8, 2020, 7:16 pm No, but I was living in the US when Trump was elected. My curiosity is why you seem so passionate about a US political party. I honestly don't understand why people are so invested in this election.

I can sort of understand why a lot of people dislike Trump because he comes across as even more narcissistic than your standard politician but honestly how much different are any of our lives with or without him as PUSA? I'd hazard a guess that it doesn't affect the life of any member of this forum?

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Go and tell that to the Australian news publications that have been blabbing about Trump for four years straight. It's not really about Trump, the republican party or American politics, it's more about the left and their march through the institutions, particularly the media and education, slowing taking everything and suffocating free thinking and political diversity while imposing their fake narratives on race, gender, history, society etc.
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Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
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rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 7:40 pm
Manbush wrote: November 8, 2020, 5:53 pm Do you honestly believe republicans support free healthcare, free education and welfare?
Errrr no. But Australian's don't believe in free healthcare, education or welfare either. We charge for medicines and if you want a university degree you gotta pay for it.
Oh come now, that's just absurd. Ever heard of Medicare? If Australians didn't care about it then "mediscare" would not have been a thing.

There's a difference between paying for Panadol and walking out of the emergency room with a $100,000 bill, and many medicines are heavily subsidised here.

Any time there is a real or perceived threat to Medicare the torches and pitchforks come out. You're off your rocker if you think a majority of Australians would prefer a US-style healthcare system rather than our own... but if you really want to be bankrupted by medical bills, perhaps you'd like to cough up $10,000+ per month if you or somebody in your family is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer?
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rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 7:40 pm
They are going down for a reason. Think about it.


The best systems are capitalism.


Can you provide any evidence of Judge Amy Barrrett allowing her "extreme beliefs" to impair her judicial judgment?


Sure mate they are all imagining it , just like black people. It's all in their heads.
Not bothering with all your post as it could go all day but for these.

They are going down because that wins votes and social services suffer for it. Is it a coincidence the happiest countries also tend to be the ones with higher taxes?

The best systems have a combination and yes capitalism is part of that combination along with parts of socialism, social democracies I’d argue are the best of both worlds and since you support healthcare, education, welfare would suggest you do to.

Her history with abortions and anti LGBT, also the paper she wrote on the death penalty.

Republicans are majority Christian and Christians are notorious for their persecution complex, it’s taught to them as a virtue in the sermon on the mount.

Bottom line there are more Democrats than Republicans in America, has been for a long time hence even Trump acknowledged the Republicans would never win again if more people voted and their history of voter suppression.
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Sterlk wrote: November 8, 2020, 8:18 pm
rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 7:40 pm
Manbush wrote: November 8, 2020, 5:53 pm Do you honestly believe republicans support free healthcare, free education and welfare?
Errrr no. But Australian's don't believe in free healthcare, education or welfare either. We charge for medicines and if you want a university degree you gotta pay for it.
Oh come now, that's just absurd. Ever heard of Medicare? If Australians didn't care about it then "mediscare" would not have been a thing.

There's a difference between paying for Panadol and walking out of the emergency room with a $100,000 bill, and many medicines are heavily subsidised here.

Any time there is a real or perceived threat to Medicare the torches and pitchforks come out. You're off your rocker if you think a majority of Australians would prefer a US-style healthcare system rather than our own... but if you really want to be bankrupted by medical bills, perhaps you'd like to cough up $10,000+ per month if you or somebody in your family is unlucky enough to be diagnosed with cancer?
I didnt go anywhere near suggesting Australians wanted Us style healthcare. :lol:

But the fact is a heavily subsidised healthcare system is not a free healthcare system, it is a low cost healthcare system. There are people who can go see a doctor for free but they cannot afford the prescriptions. There are people who probably die because of that. Additionally there are some conditions that are only able to be treated by medicines not available on the PBS and cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Those people die too.

The Australian healthcare system is pretty good but it isn’t free.
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greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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gergreg wrote:
greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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I’ll tell you how it affected my life.

I needed some orange paint for my front door and the paint shop didn’t have any.

Then every day after that lack of paint incident, I watched the news with the president on TV and obviously I was led to assume that Trump had bought and used the worlds supply of orange paint and he was clearly using it day after day after day.

If it’s hard to get grey paint next year, we will know Biden is at it too.

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gergreg wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:08 pm
greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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I believe that his presidency has had horrible consequences for public life in not only the USA, but also in Australia and many other democracies. It has produced more than a ripple across the world. Repeatedly, I see people in Australia respond with “fake news” when there are stories and reports, factual ones, which they simply disagree with. We now live in a world where facts no longer matter.

I see the standard of journalism and public debate having distintegrated in Australia over the past four years. News media outlets in Australia which think it is fine to misrepresent events in ways which damage public policy outcomes to an extent we’ve never seen before, certainly not in my lifetime. We’ve seen extremist groups emboldened, people who think it’s fine to respond with hate and bigotry. Some people think it is OK to treat minority groups poorly.

We’ve seen the state of international relations decline, the world trade environment has become less free. It has impacted our country’s prosperity. We’ve seen backward steps in policy in the world on things like climate change emboldened. It is a less secure world. It is a world more impacted by a pandemic than it should be. It’s a world which is less prosperous and stable... it’s likely that’s impacted on my investments, my finances.

Of course all those things impact on Australia, and on me. The world is a worse place, because of the influence of Trump. It’s a world I live in and why shouldn’t I feel it’s impacted my life? I’m surprised you’re even asking the question, to be honest.
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greeneyed wrote:
gergreg wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:08 pm
greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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I believe that his presidency has had horrible consequences for public life in not only the USA, but also in Australia and many other democracies. It has produced more than a ripple across the world. Repeatedly, I see people in Australia respond with “fake news” when there are stories and reports, factual ones, which they simply disagree with. We now live in a world where facts no longer matter.

I see the standard of journalism and public debate having distintegrated in Australia over the past four years. News media outlets in Australia which think it is fine to misrepresent events in ways which damage public policy outcomes to an extent we’ve never seen before, certainly not in my lifetime. We’ve seen extremist groups emboldened, people who think it’s fine to respond with hate and bigotry. Some people think it is OK to treat minority groups poorly.

We’ve seen the state of international relations decline, the world trade environment has become less free. It has impacted our country’s prosperity. We’ve seen backward steps in policy in the world on things like climate change emboldened. It is a less secure world. It is a world more impacted by a pandemic than it should be. It’s a world which is less prosperous and stable... it’s likely that’s impacted on my investments, my finances.

Of course all those things impact on Australia, and on me. The world is a worse place, because of the influence of Trump. It’s a world I live in and why shouldn’t I feel it’s impacted my life? I’m surprised you’re even asking the question, to be honest.
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greeneyed wrote:
gergreg wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:08 pm
greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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I believe that his presidency has had horrible consequences for public life in not only the USA, but also in Australia and many other democracies. It has produced more than a ripple across the world. Repeatedly, I see people in Australia respond with “fake news” when there are stories and reports, factual ones, which they simply disagree with. We now live in a world where facts no longer matter.

I see the standard of journalism and public debate having distintegrated in Australia over the past four years. News media outlets in Australia which think it is fine to misrepresent events in ways which damage public policy outcomes to an extent we’ve never seen before, certainly not in my lifetime. We’ve seen extremist groups emboldened, people who think it’s fine to respond with hate and bigotry. Some people think it is OK to treat minority groups poorly.

We’ve seen the state of international relations decline, the world trade environment has become less free. It has impacted our country’s prosperity. We’ve seen backward steps in policy in the world on things like climate change emboldened. It is a less secure world. It is a world more impacted by a pandemic than it should be. It’s a world which is less prosperous and stable... it’s likely that’s impacted on my investments, my finances.

Of course all those things impact on Australia, and on me. The world is a worse place, because of the influence of Trump. It’s a world I live in and why shouldn’t I feel it’s impacted my life? I’m surprised you’re even asking the question, to be honest.
We need to pin this post. Absolutely spot on. You need to write more on here mate. I’m thinking a regular column called “Through the Eyes of the General” but you do you mate.

What’s got me about the last 4 years is how Trump divided the US, made unstable decisions, where countries didn’t know whether he was on their side that week, and some media outlets made him into this joke. I like The Project, but Pete Hellier would always have a “Check out what this crazy Trump is up to.” Segment.
This guy was the “Leader of the free world” impacting millions of lives and fuelling hatred. He wasn’t a joke
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Yes, all good points GE but as someone who lived in the US just before he was elected and just after I can say that the division in US society, between races and socio-economic groups has always existed. I do hate the 'fake news' trend but there has always been questionable journalistic standards and I'd say the demise of credible journalism has more to do with the change in the way that people source (and pay for) content. Fox news has been around a lot longer than Trump and the views of Bolt, Jones etc have been around a long time.

It is only very recently that climate change has been taken seriously in this country and many others and probably not seriously enough for some of us. I think there has been some backward steps in the US on this one but I (and I'm sure many others) would like to see the entire world do better.

You mentioned your investments. Well how have they actually fared in the last 4 years? Have they gone up or down?

The world has always been a volatile place. I remember as a little kid, watching the news, wondering what they were fighting about at Gaza and it's still going on. The level or amount of violence or disputes around the world hasn't increased or decreased while Trump has been in power.

Oh and disrupting trade. The only trade that seems to matter for our country is resources and they are chugging along fine.

I'm not about making excuses for Trump. To go from a wonderful and intelligent statesman like Obama to Trump is very strange. Because Obama was IMO so good, the drop off to his successor has maybe exaggerated how bad he actually is.

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rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:03 pm I didnt go anywhere near suggesting Australians wanted Us style healthcare. :lol:

But the fact is a heavily subsidised healthcare system is not a free healthcare system, it is a low cost healthcare system. There are people who can go see a doctor for free but they cannot afford the prescriptions. There are people who probably die because of that. Additionally there are some conditions that are only able to be treated by medicines not available on the PBS and cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Those people die too.

The Australian healthcare system is pretty good but it isn’t free.
As far as I'm aware, all the examples of countries that are held up as good examples of socialised healthcare - Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, etc. - none of them are without cost in some area. When 'free' healthcare is discussed in the US, the context is a system similar to our own, not that everything everywhere would be 100% free all the time always.

It's disingenuous to suggest that we don't believe in free healthcare because costs can be identified somewhere in the system. What is true, is that you can walk into any public hospital, present your medicare card, and get treated there without cost - that's free (putting aside the public cost via tax), and we believe in it. We believe in free healthcare.
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Will be nice to have a party in who will listen to scientists and other experts. The fact that some medical and scientific journals and associations backed a candidate for the first time is telling, Biden has so much work to undo the damage. He’s already forming a plan for covid task force, talk of rejoining the Paris accord, he also needs to re-tighten the restrictions on pollution by businesses that Trump relaxed and needs to undo the restrictions on stem cell research which has hindered progress.
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Manbush wrote: November 8, 2020, 8:55 pm They are going down because that wins votes and social services suffer for it. Is it a coincidence the happiest countries also tend to be the ones with higher taxes?
If they are going down because that wins votes maybe its because people are unhappy paying high taxes.
The best systems have a combination and yes capitalism is part of that combination along with parts of socialism, social democracies I’d argue are the best of both worlds and since you support healthcare, education, welfare would suggest you do to.
Yes I support mixed economies however our system is fundamentally capitalist. The goal of socialists isnt to raise taxes and have free healthcare, its to end inequality and that isnt possible in a capitalist system.
Her history with abortions and anti LGBT, also the paper she wrote on the death penalty.
Lots of people have different beliefs about different things. There are even people on both sides who believe in the magical guy in the sky who created everything, and can hear their thoughts and prayers. Can you provide a single instance where her personal beliefs impaired her judicial judgment?
Republicans are majority Christian and Christians are notorious for their persecution complex, it’s taught to them as a virtue in the sermon on the mount.
Nonsense
Bottom line there are more Democrats than Republicans in America, has been for a long time hence even Trump acknowledged the Republicans would never win again if more people voted and their history of voter suppression.
I think what the Democrats did well was get postal ballots out to as many people as possible, and that strategy would have worked well with the casual voter who perhaps has a passing or no interest in politics but heard all the bad things about Trump, how he was a tinpot dictator, how he hated blacks and was a white supremacist, how he was was a mysoginist who hated women, and they would have been inclined to vote on the basis that all they had to do was pop the envelope in the mail.
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Sterlk wrote: November 9, 2020, 6:38 am
rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:03 pm I didnt go anywhere near suggesting Australians wanted Us style healthcare. :lol:

But the fact is a heavily subsidised healthcare system is not a free healthcare system, it is a low cost healthcare system. There are people who can go see a doctor for free but they cannot afford the prescriptions. There are people who probably die because of that. Additionally there are some conditions that are only able to be treated by medicines not available on the PBS and cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Those people die too.

The Australian healthcare system is pretty good but it isn’t free.
As far as I'm aware, all the examples of countries that are held up as good examples of socialised healthcare - Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, etc. - none of them are without cost in some area. When 'free' healthcare is discussed in the US, the context is a system similar to our own, not that everything everywhere would be 100% free all the time always.

It's disingenuous to suggest that we don't believe in free healthcare because costs can be identified somewhere in the system. What is true, is that you can walk into any public hospital, present your medicare card, and get treated there without cost - that's free (putting aside the public cost via tax), and we believe in it. We believe in free healthcare.
Either its free or it isn’t free. If the consultations are free, but the treatments cost money, that isnt free healthcare, its subsidised low cost healthcare, or unsubsidised high cost healthcare depending on your condition.
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greeneyed wrote: November 8, 2020, 10:04 pm
gergreg wrote: November 8, 2020, 9:08 pm
greeneyed wrote:Of course it impacts us. It impacts the world, and today, we have the prospect of a better world.
How does it impact your life? How has Trump being President for the past 4 years impacted your life? Genuine question.

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I believe that his presidency has had horrible consequences for public life in not only the USA, but also in Australia and many other democracies. It has produced more than a ripple across the world. Repeatedly, I see people in Australia respond with “fake news” when there are stories and reports, factual ones, which they simply disagree with. We now live in a world where facts no longer matter.

I see the standard of journalism and public debate having distintegrated in Australia over the past four years. News media outlets in Australia which think it is fine to misrepresent events in ways which damage public policy outcomes to an extent we’ve never seen before, certainly not in my lifetime. We’ve seen extremist groups emboldened, people who think it’s fine to respond with hate and bigotry. Some people think it is OK to treat minority groups poorly.

We’ve seen the state of international relations decline, the world trade environment has become less free. It has impacted our country’s prosperity. We’ve seen backward steps in policy in the world on things like climate change emboldened. It is a less secure world. It is a world more impacted by a pandemic than it should be. It’s a world which is less prosperous and stable... it’s likely that’s impacted on my investments, my finances.

Of course all those things impact on Australia, and on me. The world is a worse place, because of the influence of Trump. It’s a world I live in and why shouldn’t I feel it’s impacted my life? I’m surprised you’re even asking the question, to be honest.
Wow the world is falling apart and its all Trumps fault?

Thats exactly what the media want you to think.
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Yes people can be selfish and myopic, it’s no coincidence though that the happiest countries tend to pay more, you need to pay more to provide the services you support. Now there’s no reason for taxes to increase on the less fortunate but the wealthy and big business there’s no excuse not to, it’s something they will have to get used to, universal income will become a necessity one day when more jobs are lost to automation.

Cool so we agree the best system is a combination of systems a social democracy.

I’d have to find the specific cases in abortions and lgbt to be accurate with them but I do remember her paper on the death penalty, how no catholic judge could fulfill that law as it goes against their religious beliefs, so if she applies that to one law why wouldn’t she to others?

What’s nonsense? That the majority of Republicans are Christians, that Christians are notorious for their persecution complex or that it’s taught via the sermon of the mount?

Trump said that before mail in votes was an issue (he’s not the first Republican to acknowledge they’re the minority), he’s just aware there are more registered Democrats than Republicans and it’s extremely rare for the Republicans to win the popular vote, it’s why they like to suppress votes.
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Manbush wrote: November 9, 2020, 10:17 am Yes people can be selfish and myopic, it’s no coincidence though that the happiest countries tend to pay more, you need to pay more to provide the services you support. Now there’s no reason for taxes to increase on the less fortunate but the wealthy and big business there’s no excuse not to, it’s something they will have to get used to, universal income will become a necessity one day when more jobs are lost to automation.
All of the “socialist” countries such as those in Scandinavia have significant lower corporate tax than USA. Sweden’s is around 15%. They also have significantly higher taxes on the lower and middle class with taxes kicking in as every income level, a stupidly high VAT and social benefits paid out according to income rather need. There is significant income and wealth inequality in Sweden, these are not socialist countries, they are capitalist with a deep welfare states.
Cool so we agree the best system is a combination of systems a social democracy.
Its a good system but I dont know if its the “best system”. Conceivably a country could succeed that was totally capitalist and libertarian with minimal government involvement and regulation, whereas a socialist country cannot. I suppose America is a country with weaker social democratic values than ours but its KPI’s for wealth, innovation, education and even healthcare are among the best in the world. While its easy to gloat about how we have free and universal healthcare and how much better our system is remember most of our medical technologies and pharmaceuticals are funded, researched, tested and developed in the USA, as part of their highly entrepreneurial and profit driven system. Most Americans do not look to Europe and Australia for advice about how to run their healthcare.
I’d have to find the specific cases in abortions and lgbt to be accurate with them but I do remember her paper on the death penalty, how no catholic judge could fulfill that law as it goes against their religious beliefs, so if she applies that to one law why wouldn’t she to others?
Rather than just stating it you would have to provide me with the paper so that comment, if accurate, can be analysed in its proper context. Judge Barrett said on the public record that she would never allow her personal beliefs to interfere with her judicial responsibilities. The same can be said for anyone who is on the supreme court, we all have personal beliefs regardless if we are atheist or religious.
What’s nonsense? That the majority of Republicans are Christians, that Christians are notorious for their persecution complex or that it’s taught via the sermon of the mount?
This is a plainly absurd comment full of non sequiturs. The first non sequitur is that because the majority of Republicans identify as Christians, that they must harbour a persecution complex because they are “notorious” for it? Most Democrats also identify as Christian, are they notorious of their persecution complex as well? Its a bit like saying that most Muslims are terrorists because they are “notorious for it” and because the Koran teaches people to “kill the infidels”.

The second non sequitur is that even if we suppose Christians have a persecution complex that this invalidates their feelings on being persecuted for their political beliefs. Politics is not religion and religion is not politics, you’ve already highlighted the fact that there are lots of Christian democrats so you defeat your own argument here. Also there’s an extensive catalogue of evidence of conservatives being attacked and/or cancelled on campuses, in academia, in the entertainment industry and media generally so these feelings and experiences are very real not certainly not imagined. It does a huge disservice to democracy and principles of fairness and equality when you disparage their experiences on the basis that they do not conform to your politics.
Trump said that before mail in votes was an issue (he’s not the first Republican to acknowledge they’re the minority), he’s just aware there are more registered Democrats than Republicans and it’s extremely rare for the Republicans to win the popular vote, it’s why they like to suppress votes.
There is no evidence of voter suppression. To ensure free, fair and transparent election every legal ballot must be counted and every illegal ballot must be discounted. This is the way it works in Australia and every other civilised country, and is necessary to ensure faith and confidence in the electoral process from ALL members of the public not just one side. In Australia for example, we vote at the ballot offices unless we have a legitimate reason to vote by mail, and when we vote my mail we have to fill in the form legibly and ensure it is signed and witnessed, and if it isn’t it doesn’t count. No second chances.
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No evidence of voter suppression are you serious there’s decades worth aimed at minority groups who historically vote Democrat.

Or how about putting Devoy in charge of the postal service and gutting it in the lead up to a predicted record number of postal votes, Trump trying to stop postal votes being counted that hadn’t arrived but are still dated on or before Election Day which are legal votes.

I gather you like how our election is held on the weekend which makes it easier to vote, guess which party wants to move it to the weekend and which party doesn’t, guess what that is?

I do agree though every legal vote must be counted and every illegal one thrown away, but pretending legal votes are illegal is a joke.
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rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 4:55 pm
It just so sad that people have lost their minds and use the media to fill the space in their skulls where the brain should be.
Rayden, Trump did NOT provide "millions" of ventilators to hospitals in the US. The US don't have millions of ventilators and there is no credible reports indicating that the president did anything of the sort.

The WHO most certainly have NOT recommended against lockdowns. They have indicated that lockdowns ALONE won't stop the spread, and they have also acknowledged that poor countries must consider the economic impacts of locking down when the lives of vulnerable people are hanging in the balance.

Comparing the US response to COVID with the some of the worst examples across the globe does nothing to support the Trump administration's reaction to the virus. He will always be remembered for his suggestion to "inject patients with disinfectant" or bombard them with "tremendous amounts of light" as a treatment for the virus. He will also ultimately be remembered for organising re-election rallies which directly resulted in hundreds of people dying as a result of contracting the virus. He encouraged people to rebel against lockdowns and ridiculed those who attempted to control the virus by wearing masks etc. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that response was befitting a president.

As a global superpower, the USA's response to COVID has been slow, disorganised, confusing and has ultimately lost Trump the election. He was on track to win the thing until the virus came and exposed his lack of leadership and sophistication in handling a complex problem which had economic, health, social and political implications. He ultimately couldn't convince the majority of people that the virus would magically disappear. He surrounded himself with yes men and idiots and as a result he ultimately got what he deserved.
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Just the simple act of wearing a mask regularly and asking his followers to wear masks would have made a huge difference, that simple action alone would have cost nothing but would have saved lives.
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Manbush wrote: November 9, 2020, 5:00 pm Just the simple act of wearing a mask regularly and asking his followers to wear masks would have made a huge difference, that simple action alone would have cost nothing but would have saved lives.
If that’s the case why is France, UK, Italy, Spain and a host of other EU countries experiencing vast surges of the virus despite long term lockdowns and mask wearing mandates? France had 85,000 cases the other day, Spain has about 25,000 and Italy about 40,000 on a daily basis? These stats are much worse than USA, why does Trump cop all the criticism while every global leader who’s “failed” the pandemic response receive hugs and flowers? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact it’s an election year is it? Do you think they might have played a role ?
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The new spikes are being blamed on the young who seem to have taken advantage of loosening restrictions, also need to look at population density which is a lot higher throughout Europe than in the US.

Have those leaders constantly downplayed it’s severity by things like comparing it to the flu, that it would just disappear, go against the experts, did they hold super spreader events, ridicule people for wearing masks, do you think it’s merely a coincidence more Republican figures have come down with it than Democrats?
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Seiffert82 wrote: November 9, 2020, 4:52 pm
rayden83 wrote: November 8, 2020, 4:55 pm
It just so sad that people have lost their minds and use the media to fill the space in their skulls where the brain should be.
Rayden, Trump did NOT provide "millions" of ventilators to hospitals in the US. The US don't have millions of ventilators and there is no credible reports indicating that the president did anything of the sort.

The WHO most certainly have NOT recommended against lockdowns. They have indicated that lockdowns ALONE won't stop the spread, and they have also acknowledged that poor countries must consider the economic impacts of locking down when the lives of vulnerable people are hanging in the balance.

Comparing the US response to COVID with the some of the worst examples across the globe does nothing to support the Trump administration's reaction to the virus. He will always be remembered for his suggestion to "inject patients with disinfectant" or bombard them with "tremendous amounts of light" as a treatment for the virus. He will also ultimately be remembered for organising re-election rallies which directly resulted in hundreds of people dying as a result of contracting the virus. He encouraged people to rebel against lockdowns and ridiculed those who attempted to control the virus by wearing masks etc. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that response was befitting a president.

As a global superpower, the USA's response to COVID has been slow, disorganised, confusing and has ultimately lost Trump the election. He was on track to win the thing until the virus came and exposed his lack of leadership and sophistication in handling a complex problem which had economic, health, social and political implications. He ultimately couldn't convince the majority of people that the virus would magically disappear. He surrounded himself with yes men and idiots and as a result he ultimately got what he deserved.
lol: The WHO did recommend against lock downs other than for the purpose of getting their houses in order, building testing capacity and stocking hospitals with masks and equipment, which Trump achieved during the initial lockdowns in March / April. The idea of locking down to suppress , contain and/or eradicating the virus is not endorsed by WHO, so the opposite to locking down is opening up which is exactly the path Trump has tried to take to mitigate against a mental health and economic crisis. In fact the jobless rate is approaching normal levels and the USA experienced its faster ever quarterly GPD growth rate, thanks to Trump.

As for the rallies, I find it preposterous that people like yourself excoriate Trump and his supporters for holding rallies while remaining totally silent on BLM protests that literally swept the world, and then excruciatingly attempting to justify it with obscene platitudes like “racism is also a pandemic”. If hundreds of people died as a result of the rallies then you would have to deduce that tens of thousands have died as a result of the protests, and that would be blood on the hands of Fauci, the Democrats and the mainstream media who egged the protestors on. Not that they care. And now despite all the hysteria about Trump’s rallies and lack of social distancing we have literally millions of Biden supporters pouring onto the streets basically grinding on each other, and Biden and his mass media entourage seem to have suddenly forgotten about covid. The hypocrisy is palpable.

At the end of the day this all about optics rather than Trump’s management of the virus. The cases were growing, then Floyd happened, and the Democrats did an amazing number on the American people whipping up fake covid hysteria and then blending it with an even faker systemic racism storm to present a 2020 election narrative to the American people that the President mismanaged Covid “costing 200,000 lives” and was a “white supremacist”, to be marketed by a bloodthirsty media in collaboration with tech social media platforms to ensure this message was repeated ad nauseum until the election. So despite not bungling the covid response what he did bungle was the PR side of things, failing to clearly articulate the governments strategy, instead crapping on about vaccines and fake treatments and closing the border to china when he should have focused purely on the economy.
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For a bit of a laugh here’s Kenneth Copeland, I laughed way too hard at this.

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Manbush wrote: November 9, 2020, 5:41 pm The new spikes are being blamed on the young who seem to have taken advantage of loosening restrictions, also need to look at population density which is a lot higher throughout Europe than in the US.

Have those leaders constantly downplayed it’s severity by things like comparing it to the flu, that it would just disappear, go against the experts, did they hold super spreader events, ridicule people for wearing masks, do you think it’s merely a coincidence more Republican figures have come down with it than Democrats?
The actual death rate is eerily similar to the flu, which according to the latest data is estimated to be about 0.2 to 0.5%. The death rate for the flu is about 0.2 and like covid disproportionately affects older people. In fact up to 50% of cases are said to yield no symptoms. If you look at Singapore for example they’ve had 58,000 cases and 28 deaths, so the fear-mongering about this virus isn’t proportional to its threat.

I believe Trump was right to “downplay” the virus, rather than instigating failed lock downs like other countries did, which scare people and lead to mental health crisis, he should have been stronger on reopening the economy while developing specific strategies to protect the elderly and those with existing health conditions.

In a couple of years when this all blows over and the economic hangover sets in people will see it differently. Today we are happy to be safe, tomorrow we will be sad we are saddled with debt and economic depression. No one will blame Trump then.
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Even with precautions in place Covid has already killed more than 4 times as many people as the flu does annually in the US they are also finding long term consequences which don’t exist with the flu.

As for debt Trump is king of that, even before covid their debt and deficit were sky rocketing.

Do you honestly believe the New England journal of medicine, The Lancet, American Association for the Advancement of Science, Scientific American, Nature International journal of science, Federation of American scientists, National Academy of Sciences, 94 Nobel laureates which included 31 in medicine, 24 in chemistry, 26 in physics and 13 in economics all which have denounced Trump got duped by the media or perhaps they know more about it than you do? Sorry but the Republicans under Trump have been the most anti science party I’ve ever seen.
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Thats because flu has a vaccine, the death rate for flu similar to covid 19, there is a wealth of evidence to support that.

Like I said Trump’s handling of the PR side of covid was bad. He was stuck between promoting an economic message while failing to acknowledge and explain rising cases. He should have been stronger on educating the public how to live with the virus rather than pretending it would all go away soon.
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Stapped the **** in

The orange idiot is going down in flames, and shame on anyone who wants to be buried in the sarcophagus with him. As Shea Serrano has said on almost a weekly basis, **** trump and anyone who stands with him
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Botman wrote: November 9, 2020, 7:29 pm Stapped the **** in

The orange idiot is going doing in flames, and shame on anyone who wants to be buried in the sarcophagus with him. As Shea Serrano has said on almost a weekly basis, **** trump and anyone who stands with him
Yeah death to all Republicans! Racist, bigoted, white supremacist evil ****!! :evil:

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https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/c ... 4f5ca1593d

Look at all this crap that’s going on Twitter. Are there really people stupid enough go believe in this white supremacist tosh?

Look at the hate and rage the mass media have cultivated. And y’all defending it!
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I completely agree Rayden, these are good people on both sides.

I can not even imagine how **** ridiculous you'd have to be to go down on the Trump ship. Help me understand.
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