Coronavirus

[Northern Raider]

I can help you with that. They are only in 'lockdown' for the unvaccinated. This is because a caring and engaged society understands that sometimes stupid people need to be protected from themselves.

Also, they are nowhere near the 'two countries with the highest vax rate in Europe', unless Malta and Iceland have gone into lockdown. https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... y-country/ . The two countries that have locked down the unvaccinated this week are the 14th and 19th 'highest vaxed'.

I hope that clarifies things.

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I am sure you will be happy when they start jabbing kids from January.

EDIT.

Both of my kids have received COVID19 vaccinations.

They've been receiving vaccinations semi regularly since soon after birth.

What's awesome is that neither have died of polio.

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Plus you have outstanding phone coverage

This downloaded basically before you typed it

Well I did type it on a Microsoft Surface Laptop

[RedRaider]

Although not a complete list of Countries the below gives and indication of how Australia's vaccine rollout is compared to other nations.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Also Australia now of 60% double vaxxed for 12-15s. ACT, NSW and Victoria well above this Australian average.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default ... r-2021.pdf

[Begbie]

Good to see Arabs have no religious reasoning to not getting the jab. Seriously, if all their superstitions don't prevent them from a vaccine, then what does it say for the those in Western society that are against it?

[T_R]

Although not a complete list of Countries the below gives and indication of how Australia's vaccine rollout is compared to other nations.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Also Australia now of 60% double vaxxed for 12-15s. ACT, NSW and Victoria well above this Australian average.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default ... r-2021.pdf

That was really interesting, Red. As an aside, you can type in other countries if they aren't already on the list.

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I see a air/drone strike should have been dialled in today.

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[RedRaider]

Although not a complete list of Countries the below gives an indication of how Australia's vaccine rollout is compared to other nations.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Also Australia now 60% double vaxxed for 12-15s. ACT, NSW and Victoria well above this Australian average.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default ... r-2021.pdf

That was really interesting, Red. As an aside, you can type in other countries if they aren't already on the list.

Hi TR, yes, I had included Australia and others such as Iceland, Israel and Malta when I looked at the 'ourworldindata' site. I tried to use the snipping tool to put it into my post but it would not copy for some reason. Probably 'operator error'.

[T_R]

Well, after months of lobbying we've finally dragged ol' mate Scomo's head from his nether regions and pushed him into commiting to a date for student and working holiday visa holders to get back into the country.

As a country, we've lost around $70bn from excluding arrivals from these visa categories for the COVID period. Job losses have been well over 100,000.

As an industry, this is our first good news in a very, very long time.

[Botman]

Well, after months of lobbying we've finally dragged ol' mate Scomo's head from his nether regions and pushed him into commiting to a date for student and working holiday visa holders to get back into the country.

As a country, we've lost around $70bn from excluding arrivals from these visa categories for the COVID period. Job losses have been well over 100,000.

As an industry, this is our first good news in a very, very long time.

Curious, if you're allowed to say... what is the date, is it a firm commitment and if so what does this functionally mean for you? Like is this all systems go and just ramping staff and students back up and you should hopefully be back close to where you were before this all began, or is this closer to almost starting again and it's a slow build up?

[T_R]

The date is December 1
The commitment is firm
And functionally? It's going to be a long road back, but it started today.

I honestly feel like crying. **** me, Nick. What a couple of years it has been.

[Mickey_Raider]

Well, after months of lobbying we've finally dragged ol' mate Scomo's head from his nether regions and pushed him into commiting to a date for student and working holiday visa holders to get back into the country.

As a country, we've lost around $70bn from excluding arrivals from these visa categories for the COVID period. Job losses have been well over 100,000.

As an industry, this is our first good news in a very, very long time.

Finally some very belated relief for you.

Unfortunately it is nakedly ideological. Even though education is one of our biggest exports there are no votes to be gained in supporting or protecting jobs in, for example, so called "Marxist factories" which are our universities.

Contrast that with the way in which the prospect of losing a comparatively small and consistently declining number of coal jobs is the most polemical issue in modern Australian politics.

[Botman]

The date is December 1
The commitment is firm
And functionally? It's going to be a long road back, but it started today.

I honestly feel like crying. **** me, Nick. What a couple of years it has been.

Indeed... i cant imagine it all if im honest. It's really great to hear.

My biggest issues for this have been home schooling for those periods, and disrupted travel plans.. my job was never remotetely impacted, in fact it was allowed me to get into almost fulltime working from home situation which has proved to be far better for me and more effeicent, and i love it. Hope they never make me go back to the office.
My wife is a paediatrician so she wasnt impact greatly either. We've been so largely untouched by this other than what are objectively minor annoyances that it's hard for me to fathom what the light at the end of the tunnel must feel like for people who have really done it tough in this time

My sister in law is in australia, travelling from London and seeing her family for the first time in years... her arrival really has given me hope that we're down a path now where things are going to REALLY get back to normal very soon.

[greeneyed]

NSW government ‘ignored health advice’ from Kerry Chant, new emails show: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-ac ... 47486a1581

[FuiFui BradBrad]

NSW government ‘ignored health advice’ from Kerry Chant, new emails show: https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-ac ... 47486a1581

Feel justified in my rants on the Govt and the decision to split the city now.

[Coastalraider]

Targeted, prioritised, protected…

All words that could be used for increased health protocols in a geographical area with the highest quantity of cases and daily transmissions. All depends on perspective and narrative.

[T_R]

The date is December 1
The commitment is firm
And functionally? It's going to be a long road back, but it started today.

I honestly feel like crying. **** me, Nick. What a couple of years it has been.

Indeed... i cant imagine it all if im honest. It's really great to hear.

Thanks. The takeaway from me on this more than anything else is that this is an entirely 'reactive' government. They have been delaying this announcement for months (it was decided in National Cabinet some time ago, apparently) for whatever purpose. Unfortunately, this kind of uncertainty made business planning impossible.

So, we seeded a couple of articles in the Fin Review last week, got some Channel 9 news time (not me, someone else) and bang - announcement. It's honestly pathetic.

[Botman]

I had noticed quite a few stories that you'd shared on your FB page and wondered if was an part of blitzkrieg strategy trying to draw attention to the issue.
It really is sad that it had to come to that for a major industry to get some clarity from the Gov

[T_R]

I had noticed quite a few stories that you'd shared on your FB page and wondered if was an part of blitzkrieg strategy trying to draw attention to the issue.
It really is sad that it had to come to that for a major industry to get some clarity from the Gov

Gee, I've learned a lot through the last couple of years when it comes to dealing with politicians. I believe that there are two generally universal truths:

1. They are clueless about their portfolio beyond their immediate (politically motivated) focus. I am astounded at the base level of ignorance (and I'm thinking particularly of the Federal Immigration and Education Ministers here).

2. There is absolutely no sense of 'doing the right thing' on any side of politics. No one will expend energy until they can see a direct electoral benefit (and I'm looking squarely at Tanya Plibersek on this one). In private, they are absolutely happy to admit that.

3. They are frightened little forest nymphs who will roll over as soon as there is any real chance of negative media, so long as you choose the correct media - the LNP does not give a toss what is the Herald, but if the Murdoch mob, or the Fin Review (which their paymasters read) turn on them, then they'll jump just as high as you tell them too.

A very small group of us got the PM to make a major announcement just through mobilising media last week. It's honestly pathetic.

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Good to hear Tokyo, Will you be reinstating the Colombian maids?

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[Coastalraider]

Interesting to observe Europe at the moment. Lots of issues heading into winter including Austria in full lockdown and Germany locking down the unvaccinated.

[dubby]

TR, I'm glad you've been given some hope, brother.

But your insight on politicians has been self evident for my entire life

[gangrenous]

Anyone else worried that T_R just got a tiny taste of being Murdoch and loved it?

Make sure you use this power for good… like Raiders premierships.

On a serious note glad to hear things are on the up. This government being reactive is spot on. I hope this is the end of them finally

[T_R]

Anyone else worried that T_R just got a tiny taste of being Murdoch and loved it?

Make sure you use this power for good… like Raiders premierships.

On a serious note glad to hear things are on the up. This government being reactive is spot on. I hope this is the end of them finally

Jokig aside, the power that Murdoch wields must be absolutely intoxicating. We just made the Prime Minister jump through hoops for us on the basis of a couple of articles and some TV time. Can you imagine how corrupting it would be to be able to make and break governments on a whim?

[T_R]

Good to hear Tokyo, Will you be reinstating the Colombian maids?

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Had to get borders open. Our Brazilian pool guy moved away, there's no one to replace him and I don't know how the filter works.

[T_R]

TR, I'm glad you've been given some hope, brother.

But your insight on politicians has been self evident for my entire life

Well, I chose to believe otherwise. Pretty eye opening couple of years for me.

As an aside, Julian Hill (Bruce) has been amazing. Definitely a guy to watch.

[gangrenous]

6 months ago we had some back and forth about Murdoch. It was a slightly different topic because it was focussed on the power of he wields over the electorate/elections.

Curious if this experience may have changed your view?

[T_R]

6 months ago we had some back and forth about Murdoch. It was a slightly different topic because it was focussed on the power of he wields over the electorate/elections.

Curious if this experience may have changed your view?

To some degree, I think it has, yes.

But from memory I disagreed with how much sway the Murdoch press had over punters. I'm still convinced it's less than people believe. There's no doubt that the government fears the negative coverage, though, so perhaps 'my thinking makes it so'.


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[greeneyed]

New African Covid variant poses 'significant threat to vaccine program': https://au.yahoo.com/new-african-covid- ... 48375.html

[T_R]

Oh, ****

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[Coastalraider]

I’d really like the docs perspective right about now.

[zim]

It'll be alright mate. After reading some of the antivax apologists on here I'm sure it'll all sort itself out if people just do whatever they want.

[gangrenous]

Oh, ****

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ScoMo found this thread and got upset. So now he’s counterseeding articles to justify not opening.

[gerg]

We'll shut down at any sign of a variant, won't we? Particularly with an election around the corner?

[gangrenous]

If the medical experts are saying this is a variant of concern Makes sense to pause travel from locations that have it.

[Coastalraider]

2 positive cases from Southern Africa flew in last night. How exciting.

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We need to stay angry and woke about this.

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