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So where are we with the whole coronavirus thingy?

I've been a little concerned for a while, though mostly from a commerical point of view (our bookings are VERY slow at the moment, particularly out of Asia). I've just been chatting to a friend based in China though, and am now halfway between 'gee, I hope they get on top of this soon' and 'I'm going to invest heavily in lime, since we're going to need so much of it for the mass graves'.

Much ado about nothing? Time to lock the gates of the compound and starting shooting at passersby? Where's this on your personal radar?
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Middle ground. It's not much ado about nothing by any stretch but as with all these things there's a lot of added panic by media sources and the local idiot who doesn't think developing a vaccine is a good idea.
Given where we live just follow basic hygiene and don't eat peoples **** and you'll be fine.

Arstechnica is always a good source if you want to read up on things:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02 ... mushrooms/
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Thank God you replied. I thought you were all already dead.
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You'd be surprised how often that happens. My vacant stare doesn't help things.

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Its pretty reliably held at a mortality rate of about 2% of known cases... It is very likely there is thousands of cases undocumented right now because symptoms never got serious enough to get on the radar, so the actual mortality rate on this is probably going to be extremely low and most deaths from it will be elderly people and those who suffered complications of other issues due to this disease.
They've already got it into labs around the world, vaccines and tests to identify it are already well on its way. So i think this will fizzle out pretty quickly without too much damage (obviously talking on a world scale, there is near enough to 500 people who have died now and that cant be dismissed, those people have friends and family who are no doubt deeply impacted)
But for me, i'm not that concerned from either a personal or world scale

What i find interesting is how medical science has kept this era of the human race clean of pandemics.
I often wonder how long we can sustain this? Are we just at a point of medical advancement that we'll never have another Bubonic Plague again? That seems rather unlikely to me.
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If you're locking the gates and laying low in the bunker for a few months, TR. Make sure to save space for our old friend @The Nickman
He's been in a full blown panic about this for a few weeks now. We've had to talk him off the ledge a few times
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I wondered where he got to.

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He obviously picked a ledge without Wifi
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Botman wrote:
February 5, 2020, 12:32 pm
Its pretty reliably held at a mortality rate of about 2% of known cases... It is very likely there is thousands of cases undocumented right now because symptoms never got serious enough to get on the radar, so the actual mortality rate on this is probably going to be extremely low and most deaths from it will be elderly people and those who suffered complications of other issues due to this disease.
Had a long chat with a doctor friend, who talked me through the Lancet reporting on this. They have completely rejected the 2% figure - and in fact all data out of China. All 'official' data from the Lancet (which is probably as official as it gets in the med world, I guess) will be based on data drawn from overseas cases. Not necessarily worse than 2% (and actually better to this point), but much too early to say. She's not terribly concerned,by the way. Her take is that there have been no reported deaths anywhere outside the elderly, except in a small number of cases where there are clear issues of immune system compromise.

For those of us in the travel industry and related fields, it's going to be interesting times. Hopefully, it's a fizzler. For me, the absolute worst case outcome of this is Nickman showing up looking for somewhere to stay.
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Yeah I’m not worried yet. That said, we had the Bubonic Plague in 1720, Cholera in 1820, and Spanish Flu in 1920. Seems like we’re due for some form of mass plague this year
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Much ado.

Not particularly infectious.

Most people get a cold. A few people die. As pig said, the reported mortality rate is likely well over estimated due to the number of people with mild illness going undiagnosed.

It's curious the response. Clearly there is media driven hysteria, but the WHO and various health authorities responses have been very strong. I receive several "update emails" a day from QLD Health and local health. All of which say the same thing. I've no idea why they have to send so many to say so little. When I've spoken to people who have a good understanding of what is going on, they come across as meh.

Bird flu is where it is at. Cases have recently been detected in China. 50% mortality. If that thing mutates to allow human to human transmission, a whole lot of people are going to die.


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Well, good, I guess

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Northern Raider wrote:He obviously picked a ledge without Wifi
I think we just need a 'the NRL is against the poor Raiders' post to draw him out of the woodwork.

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They use an R0 value to indicate how contagious an infection is. Essentially it is an estimate of how many people an infected person will infect in a vulnerable (non immune) population.

From reports that I've seen Coronavirus has an R0 of around 1.5. In contrast, measles the most infectious disease in the world has an R0 of about 16. With a mortality rate of 0.2%,measles in a vulnerable population is far more dangerous. An example being the 80 dead children in Samoa at the end of last year.

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Dr Zaius wrote:They use an R0 value to indicate how contagious an infection is. Essentially it is an estimate of how many people an infected person will infect in a vulnerable (non immune) population.

From reports that I've seen Coronavirus has an R0 of around 1.5. In contrast, measles the most infectious disease in the world has an R0 of about 16. With a mortality rate of 0.2%,measles in a vulnerable population is far more dangerous. An example being the 80 dead children in Samoa at the end of last year.
Where did you get the R0 data from? Ive heard much higher...?

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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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T_R wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:They use an R0 value to indicate how contagious an infection is. Essentially it is an estimate of how many people an infected person will infect in a vulnerable (non immune) population.

From reports that I've seen Coronavirus has an R0 of around 1.5. In contrast, measles the most infectious disease in the world has an R0 of about 16. With a mortality rate of 0.2%,measles in a vulnerable population is far more dangerous. An example being the 80 dead children in Samoa at the end of last year.
Where did you get the R0 data from? Ive heard much higher...?

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This says that WHO estimate between 1.5 to 2.5, but others are estimating as high as 5.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-c ... ead-2020-2

I was told by someone whose business it is to know that if I shared a lift with an infectious person I was highly unlikely to become infected.

Of the 9 people kept in isolation on the Gold Coast, 5 have now come back positive. 4 have not. They have all had very close contact with one another.

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This is a really good podcast that I listen to. They are on the ball. I haven't listened to this episode yet. Perhaps they say that we are all going to die.
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Dr Zaius wrote:This is a really good podcast that I listen to. They are on the ball. I haven't listened to this episode yet. Perhaps they say that we are all going to die.
https://pca.st/o1707ndv
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Dr Zaius wrote:
T_R wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:They use an R0 value to indicate how contagious an infection is. Essentially it is an estimate of how many people an infected person will infect in a vulnerable (non immune) population.

From reports that I've seen Coronavirus has an R0 of around 1.5. In contrast, measles the most infectious disease in the world has an R0 of about 16. With a mortality rate of 0.2%,measles in a vulnerable population is far more dangerous. An example being the 80 dead children in Samoa at the end of last year.
Where did you get the R0 data from? Ive heard much higher...?

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T_R wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
T_R wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:They use an R0 value to indicate how contagious an infection is. Essentially it is an estimate of how many people an infected person will infect in a vulnerable (non immune) population.

From reports that I've seen Coronavirus has an R0 of around 1.5. In contrast, measles the most infectious disease in the world has an R0 of about 16. With a mortality rate of 0.2%,measles in a vulnerable population is far more dangerous. An example being the 80 dead children in Samoa at the end of last year.
Where did you get the R0 data from? Ive heard much higher...?

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Living in Singapore and places are selling out of face masks, packet noodles and condoms- people use them on their fingers so they don't have to touch lift buttons.

One of the local infections as a tour guide and another was a taxi driver so there is a bit of a worry it could go very big. Sphincters are clenched because we are all packed in so tight here with no where else to go...

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BadnMean wrote:Living in Singapore and places are selling out of face masks, packet noodles and condoms- people use them on their fingers so they don't have to touch lift buttons.

One of the local infections as a tour guide and another was a taxi driver so there is a bit of a worry it could go very big. Sphincters are clenched because we are all packed in so tight here with no where else to go...
Face masks are gone everywhere. I need a pack for a trip to Taiwan next week (meetings I have arranged have requested that everyone wear them), but they are completely sold out in Noosa.

In Noosa!

People are worried.



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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Wish I had face mask shares...

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Though I note The Medical Elite, like Zaius here, are strutting around, secure in the knowledge that they can raid the supply closet.

Masks for the people!

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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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T_R wrote:
February 8, 2020, 2:26 pm
BadnMean wrote:Living in Singapore and places are selling out of face masks, packet noodles and condoms- people use them on their fingers so they don't have to touch lift buttons.

One of the local infections as a tour guide and another was a taxi driver so there is a bit of a worry it could go very big. Sphincters are clenched because we are all packed in so tight here with no where else to go...
Face masks are gone everywhere. I need a pack for a trip to Taiwan next week (meetings I have arranged have requested that everyone wear them), but they are completely sold out in Noosa.

In Noosa!

People are worried.



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T_R wrote:Though I note The Medical Elite, like Zaius here, are strutting around, secure in the knowledge that they can raid the supply closet.

Masks for the people!

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Unless someone coughs right in your face, you're not going to get this from breathing. Masks will protect you by stopping you putting your germy hands to your face, but not otherwise. Invest in hand sanitiser and use it often.

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280 Australian citizens flying in from Wuhan are being quarantined around 7km from where I live, but I don’t seem to be as apprehensive about it as most around here seem to be. They’re not people who are infected, it seems a precautionary move to keep them here for a couple of weeks for screening etc.

Going by the majority of Facebook posts on the news articles regarding this, it seems without knowing precisely what the danger is, it’s time for everyone here to crack each other’s skulls open and feed on the goo inside.
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Sid wrote:
February 8, 2020, 9:04 pm
280 Australian citizens flying in from Wuhan are being quarantined around 7km from where I live, but I don’t seem to be as apprehensive about it as most around here seem to be. They’re not people who are infected, it seems a precautionary move to keep them here for a couple of weeks for screening etc.

Going by the majority of Facebook posts on the news articles regarding this, it seems without knowing precisely what the danger is, it’s time for everyone here to crack each other’s skulls open and feed on the goo inside.
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Re: Coronavirus

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Botman wrote:
Sid wrote:
February 8, 2020, 9:04 pm
280 Australian citizens flying in from Wuhan are being quarantined around 7km from where I live, but I don’t seem to be as apprehensive about it as most around here seem to be. They’re not people who are infected, it seems a precautionary move to keep them here for a couple of weeks for screening etc.

Going by the majority of Facebook posts on the news articles regarding this, it seems without knowing precisely what the danger is, it’s time for everyone here to crack each other’s skulls open and feed on the goo inside.
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Re: Coronavirus

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Dr Zaius wrote:
February 8, 2020, 3:10 pm
Unless someone coughs right in your face, you're not going to get this from breathing. Masks will protect you by stopping you putting your germy hands to your face, but not otherwise. Invest in hand sanitiser and use it often.
My grandson who is 6, goes to a public school in NSW Country. They must use hand sanitiser before entering the class room first thing in the morning, at every break and before going home. From what you have said Dr Z, NSW Education and his school is right on the money with this.

I understand that the deaths from Coronavirus has now overtaken those from SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). Listen to the experts in the field, like Dr Z, and take sensible precautions. I am no expert, but an investment in hand sanitiser for the family to use often, would be a prudent move.

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Re: Coronavirus

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The knock ons have started - both the Chinese F1 Grand Prix and the Tokyo Marathon (minus pro field) have been cancelled due to health and travel risks.

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