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Re: Israel Folau

Post by julian87 » June 22, 2019, 5:52 pm

Wonder what the chaplain reckons.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by gergreg » June 22, 2019, 6:11 pm

julian87 wrote:Wonder what the chaplain reckons.
I'd be more interested to hear the opinion of the the man who was the highest ranked religious figure in Australia. But maybe his opinion doesn't matter anymore as he is a convicted paedophile, and given his victims were young boys I guess that also makes him a homosexual.

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 22, 2019, 6:11 pm

Mate nothing in the Bible or that you could say could convince me that he loves me (assuming he was real), I’ve studied it, listened to so many apologists over the years I’ve heard everything that could be used and I’ve found them wanting.

Just be a good person, fight for others to have the same rights as everyone else enjoys just as I would fight for your right to believe anything you wish even when if i am so vehemently opposed to it, our beliefs should only affect ourselves.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 22, 2019, 6:19 pm

dubby wrote:
June 22, 2019, 4:47 pm
Manbush wrote:Just on the doing what Jesus would want you to do, where do you think he’d sit on the political spectrum, would he be for helping the wealthy or for helping the less fortunate? I’d say he’d be far more liberal than conservative policy wise going by how Christians talk of him.
You're asking me to assume the actions of God incarnate, of my savior.

Hard to do, old mate

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If you know how he wants you to live I would have thought his morals and teachings would make it obvious.

In a lot of ways he was written as the original hippy, hanging with and helping the needy while being opposed to the rich and powerful, one of the teachings I find bad is about giving no thought about tomorrow and giving away all your money, he’s the antithesis of modern day conservatives.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 22, 2019, 6:39 pm

He’s got you on that one, dubs. There’s no way Jesus would vote for Trump or Pauline Hanson

Maybe ScoMo though, because he’d still like a tight economic policy
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Northern Raider » June 22, 2019, 7:22 pm

The Rickman wrote:
June 22, 2019, 6:39 pm
He’s got you on that one, dubs. There’s no way Jesus would vote for Trump or Pauline Hanson

Maybe ScoMo though, because he’d still like a tight economic policy
Being such a massive hippie Jesus surely would vote for the Marijuana Party.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by dubby » June 22, 2019, 10:07 pm

The Rickman wrote:He’s got you on that one, dubs. There’s no way Jesus would vote for Trump or Pauline Hanson

Maybe ScoMo though, because he’d still like a tight economic policy
There's no way Buddha would vote for Hillary or The Greens either

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 22, 2019, 11:01 pm

dubby wrote:
The Rickman wrote:He’s got you on that one, dubs. There’s no way Jesus would vote for Trump or Pauline Hanson

Maybe ScoMo though, because he’d still like a tight economic policy
There's no way Buddha would vote for Hillary or The Greens either

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by raiderskater » June 23, 2019, 10:13 am

Well then, isn't it fortunate that we live in a modern society where our choices and behaviours aren't dictated by what a bunch of conservative old men ~thought~ some other guy said many thousands of years ago?
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 23, 2019, 10:37 am

raiderskater wrote:Well then, isn't it fortunate that we live in a modern society where our choices and behaviours aren't dictated by what a bunch of conservative old men ~thought~ some other guy said many thousands of years ago?
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Riaan » June 23, 2019, 3:56 pm

What is it about the gay community that gets the religious types so hot and bothered :hmmm

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by dubby » June 23, 2019, 5:16 pm

Don't be so misled. Most could give a damn

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by raiderskater » June 23, 2019, 6:10 pm

dubby wrote:
June 23, 2019, 5:16 pm
Don't be so misled. Most could give a damn

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Yes, we noticed they could give a damn, when they donated millions to try and prevent marriage equality.

If they couldn't give a damn, they'd have stayed out of it, or better yet, stuck with that "Jesus loves everyone" line they're so fond of pushing when it suits their agenda.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 23, 2019, 6:32 pm

Bad typo there Dubby :lol:

(I’m assuming you meant “couldn’t”)
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Chicka's shoe » June 23, 2019, 6:51 pm

It's one of those bizarre new American usages where it means the opposite but through the persistence of numbskulls it has become "a thing". Not that I'm calling Dubby a numbskull, just easily led.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Begbie » June 23, 2019, 9:40 pm

They also say "I could care less".

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Post by The Rickman » June 23, 2019, 9:47 pm

Manbush wrote:Bad typo there Dubby :lol:

(I’m assuming you meant “couldn’t”)
I don’t believe it IS a typo

Dubby was actively anti-gay marriage, his Facebook profile picture was even changed to show this. He absolutely DID give a damn about it, if he says otherwise now he’s completely rewriting history
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by dubby » June 23, 2019, 9:52 pm

Its ok.to have different opinions.

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 23, 2019, 9:57 pm

It’s not ok for your opinions to be discriminatory and hateful
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Post by RTW » June 23, 2019, 9:59 pm

dubby wrote:Its ok.to have different opinions.

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If your opinion is that Williams should play half and my opinion is Sezer then it is okay but if one of our opinions causes.....aaargh **** it, it isn’t even worth explaining.


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Re: Israel Folau

Post by dubby » June 23, 2019, 10:00 pm

The Rickman wrote:It’s not ok for your opinions to be discriminatory and hateful
I've moved on. It was voted in. Life goes on.

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Re: Israel Folau

Post by dubby » June 23, 2019, 10:01 pm

RTW wrote:
dubby wrote:Its ok.to have different opinions.

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If your opinion is that Williams should play half and my opinion is Sezer then it is okay but if one of our opinions causes.....aaargh **** it, it isn’t even worth explaining.


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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 23, 2019, 11:11 pm

dubby wrote:
The Rickman wrote:It’s not ok for your opinions to be discriminatory and hateful
I've moved on. It was voted in. Life goes on.

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You still don’t get it though, do you?
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 24, 2019, 8:22 am

Dubs you mentioned something earlier about you’ve been off track and need to start showing more love and helping people, I hope you see the marriage equality debate was a perfect opportunity to do just that.

It was a chance to show love and help one of if not the most persecuted minorities in this country and the world, help them feel loved, accepted and equal without it even having a single impact on your life, sure it went against your personal beliefs on what marriage is but trying to impose those beliefs on others when it’s not going to affect you is not loving or helping it’s the opposite.

Going against your beliefs isn’t easy but surely if it’s to help others it’s the right thing to do.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 24, 2019, 10:44 am

And Folau's GoFundMe page has been cancelled, as expected.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-li ... V-eQVxX43M
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 24, 2019, 11:34 am

The Rickman wrote:
June 24, 2019, 10:44 am
And Folau's GoFundMe page has been cancelled, as expected.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-li ... V-eQVxX43M
They would have had so many complaints, last time I saw the petition to have it removed was over 85k.

What is it with Izzy thinking generic terms and conditions don’t apply to him.

Apparently his wife is starting to get into trouble with netball Australia over it as well.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Northern Raider » June 24, 2019, 11:50 am

Manbush wrote:
June 24, 2019, 11:34 am
The Rickman wrote:
June 24, 2019, 10:44 am
And Folau's GoFundMe page has been cancelled, as expected.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-li ... V-eQVxX43M
They would have had so many complaints, last time I saw the petition to have it removed was over 85k.

What is it with Izzy thinking generic terms and conditions don’t apply to him.

Apparently his wife is starting to get into trouble with netball Australia over it as well.
Is he breaching any T&Cs though?

From the article:
According to the terms and conditions on the website, users may not attempt to raise money “for the legal defence of … intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity, or serious disabilities or diseases”.

Folau is not raising funds for a legal defense. He has not been charged with anything and being forced to face court, which is what this passage refers to.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 24, 2019, 11:53 am

“campaigns we deem, at our sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity or serious disabilities or diseases;”

Was that a convenient edit on your behalf NR?
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by The Rickman » June 24, 2019, 12:04 pm

Hahaha his GoFundMe page ABSOLUTELY should be shut down... that just isn't what GFM is about.
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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » June 24, 2019, 12:23 pm

The Rickman wrote:Hahaha his GoFundMe page ABSOLUTELY should be shut down... that just isn't what GFM is about.
Really glad this got shut down. Mrs Fui put it well that he’s wanting the right to discriminate against others, without the threat of being discriminated against.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by greeneyed » June 24, 2019, 12:33 pm

What took them so long?
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Post by Northern Raider » June 24, 2019, 1:06 pm

Manbush wrote:
June 24, 2019, 11:53 am
“campaigns we deem, at our sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity or serious disabilities or diseases;”

Was that a convenient edit on your behalf NR?
What edit? I did a direct copy and paste from the linked article.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Manbush » June 24, 2019, 1:30 pm

My apologies then NR, the article edited the terms and conditions.


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Re: Israel Folau

Post by Northern Raider » June 24, 2019, 1:39 pm

That post by Latham is beyond dumb. It's even a stretch for a straw man.
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Re: Israel Folau

Post by gangrenous » June 24, 2019, 6:15 pm

Glad it was taken down.

Pity that the geese who donated to this and support him are using this to fuel their outrage at a perceived slight.

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