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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by gangrenous » May 22, 2019, 6:08 pm

There’s having a policy and then there’s doing something. Much like you with a Labor surplus, I’ll believe it when I see the LNP delivering emissions reductions.

To Nickman - and Labor have enacted policies you would have thought would be Liberal, like floating the dollar. It’s an interesting theory that the bolder policies may often be easier enacted from the opposite side to expected? Possibly broader public support if you add your own supporters to those who those who want it?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 22, 2019, 7:44 pm

gangrenous wrote:
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There’s having a policy and then there’s doing something. Much like you with a Labor surplus, I’ll believe it when I see the LNP delivering emissions reductions.

To Nickman - and Labor have enacted policies you would have thought would be Liberal, like floating the dollar. It’s an interesting theory that the bolder policies may often be easier enacted from the opposite side to expected? Possibly broader public support if you add your own supporters to those who those who want it?
The LNP have a chance to implement their policies now they've been voted in. The internal opposition has been severely weakened by Abbott's removal. Beside the point to what I said though.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 27, 2019, 5:33 pm

Albo new leader of the ALP unopposed. Some have said he's "too left wing". Maybe the party needs a bit of traditional left approach rather than the 'new' left we've seen lately.
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Albo new leader of the ALP unopposed. Some have said he's "too left wing". Maybe the party needs a bit of traditional left approach rather than the 'new' left we've seen lately.
If Labor is going to stand any chance at the next federal election they need to appeal again to the "working class", and in particular the mining industry, which they completely lost this election, and which effectively handed the election to Morrison.

And I'm not sure going further left does anything to help this cause. In fact most of the working class folks I know seem to absolutely despise the "loony left".
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 28, 2019, 10:34 am

The Rickman wrote:
May 28, 2019, 10:23 am
Northern Raider wrote:
May 27, 2019, 5:33 pm
Albo new leader of the ALP unopposed. Some have said he's "too left wing". Maybe the party needs a bit of traditional left approach rather than the 'new' left we've seen lately.
If Labor is going to stand any chance at the next federal election they need to appeal again to the "working class", and in particular the mining industry, which they completely lost this election, and which effectively handed the election to Morrison.

And I'm not sure going further left does anything to help this cause. In fact most of the working class folks I know seem to absolutely despise the "loony left".
That is where the ALP need to move on from the thought process that "working class" = low income. I would say that on average these days the guys in hi-viz gear earn more than those in business shirts. The whole mindest of this sector has shifted. protecting jobs and income levels is whats important to them now. ALP need to adjust their approach to accommodate this as pushing the Green's agenda is the exact opposite. Albo might just be the guy to move away from that and get back to the supporting the traditional core of Labor.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 28, 2019, 10:39 am

It's pretty obvious to me that you can't support the Greens AND support the working class of Australia at the same time. The Greens and their supporters might yell the loudest, and are a very, very vocal minority, but in the end they're a minority.

Probably explains why the polls had Labor winning in a landslide, but anyone with their finger on the pulse knew that Morrison was going to win.
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Post by Northern Raider » May 28, 2019, 11:40 am

Greens preferences are never going to the LNP so I don't know why the ALP are so concerned about keeping them.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by T_R » May 28, 2019, 2:47 pm

The Rickman wrote:
May 28, 2019, 10:39 am
It's pretty obvious to me that you can't support the Greens AND support the working class of Australia at the same time. The Greens and their supporters might yell the loudest, and are a very, very vocal minority, but in the end they're a minority.

Probably explains why the polls had Labor winning in a landslide, but anyone with their finger on the pulse knew that Morrison was going to win.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 28, 2019, 3:27 pm

T_R wrote:
May 28, 2019, 2:47 pm
The Rickman wrote:
May 28, 2019, 10:39 am
It's pretty obvious to me that you can't support the Greens AND support the working class of Australia at the same time. The Greens and their supporters might yell the loudest, and are a very, very vocal minority, but in the end they're a minority.

Probably explains why the polls had Labor winning in a landslide, but anyone with their finger on the pulse knew that Morrison was going to win.
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Post by Manbush » May 29, 2019, 8:05 am

Didn’t Labor lose because of Shorten was the popular theory and if that’s the case no change of policies or target audience required.

As for catering to the mining crowd I’m not sure how you do that and remain environmentally responsible, not to mention my housemate has worked at a few mining sites over the years and if what he tells me is accurate it would mean catering to One Nation voters which won’t and should not happen (that’s the LNPs job), lmao his latest site in Perth is full of flat earthers how the **** do you cater to them?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 29, 2019, 8:12 am

If you reckon Albo can sell those policies then its all good for the ALP. :)
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 29, 2019, 9:58 am

Well it’s apparent we should all listen to Manbush’s housemate as the new foremost expert on the mining industry


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by T_R » May 29, 2019, 10:04 am

The Rickman wrote:
May 29, 2019, 9:58 am
Well it’s apparent we should all listen to Manbush’s housemate as the new foremost expert on the mining industry


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Lucrative job in one of the highest paid industry in the country = dossing down with Manbush in his inner city squat.

Makes sense.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 29, 2019, 10:51 am

The Rickman wrote:
May 29, 2019, 9:58 am
Well it’s apparent we should all listen to Manbush’s housemate as the new foremost expert on the mining industry
He really has his finger on the pulse. Fairly sure he was keynote at the recent Austmine conference.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

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Post by Manbush » May 30, 2019, 7:21 am

T_R wrote:
May 29, 2019, 10:04 am
The Rickman wrote:
May 29, 2019, 9:58 am
Well it’s apparent we should all listen to Manbush’s housemate as the new foremost expert on the mining industry


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Lucrative job in one of the highest paid industry in the country = dossing down with Manbush in his inner city squat.

Makes sense.
Old school mate, away 3 weeks back for 1, makes perfect sense to have relaxation week where anything goes and entertainment galore, also near his kids and his parents.
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Post by The Rickman » May 30, 2019, 7:50 am

Hahaha, relaxation week where “anything goes and entertainment galore”, welcome to Manbush’s Party Palace!!

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Post by T_R » May 30, 2019, 11:31 am

The Rickman wrote:Hahaha, relaxation week where “anything goes and entertainment galore”, welcome to Manbush’s Party Palace!!

I’ll just have the crab juice
Actually, it sound nice. MB, make up the couch. I'll be there in an hour.

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T_R wrote:
May 30, 2019, 11:31 am
The Rickman wrote:Hahaha, relaxation week where “anything goes and entertainment galore”, welcome to Manbush’s Party Palace!!

I’ll just have the crab juice
Actually, it sound nice. MB, make up the couch. I'll be there in an hour.
God, that's a sitcom I'd pay big dollars to watch!
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Post by Wiggy » May 30, 2019, 12:46 pm

How is that religious freedom bill going to work?

If I claim my views are religious (no matter what they are), am I protected? Or is it only state approved religions that are applicable?

And now the Liberal party are going to tell a private company that it doesn't matter if an employee is costing you large profits, you still can't fire them. Seems pretty anti-business of them.

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Post by Manbush » May 30, 2019, 2:17 pm

Religious freedom should only be the freedom to believe anything you like not a free pass to special privileges.

Will be interesting to see if the Libs honor the bipartisan agreement to stop schools discriminating against gay students now that they’ve won the election or will that be part of their “religious freedom bill” which they conveniently waited to introduce until after the election.
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Post by The Rickman » May 30, 2019, 2:23 pm

Manbush wrote: Will be interesting to see if the Libs honor the bipartisan agreement to stop schools discriminating against gay students now that they’ve won the election or will that be part of their “religious freedom bill” which they conveniently waited to introduce until after the election.
Which one do you think they’ll go with, Manbush?

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I absolutely **** adore this thread.
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The Rickman wrote:
May 30, 2019, 12:02 pm
T_R wrote:
May 30, 2019, 11:31 am
The Rickman wrote:Hahaha, relaxation week where “anything goes and entertainment galore”, welcome to Manbush’s Party Palace!!

I’ll just have the crab juice
Actually, it sound nice. MB, make up the couch. I'll be there in an hour.
God, that's a sitcom I'd pay big dollars to watch!
And this is why. Someone needs to green light this immediately. Whatever it takes. Like the odd couple
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Post by The Rickman » May 31, 2019, 9:53 am

PigRickman wrote:
May 30, 2019, 8:12 pm
The Rickman wrote:
May 30, 2019, 12:02 pm
T_R wrote:
May 30, 2019, 11:31 am
The Rickman wrote:Hahaha, relaxation week where “anything goes and entertainment galore”, welcome to Manbush’s Party Palace!!

I’ll just have the crab juice
Actually, it sound nice. MB, make up the couch. I'll be there in an hour.
God, that's a sitcom I'd pay big dollars to watch!
And this is why. Someone needs to green light this immediately. Whatever it takes. Like the odd couple
Mate, it would be the best **** show any of us would ever see.
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The Rickman wrote:
May 30, 2019, 2:23 pm
Manbush wrote: Will be interesting to see if the Libs honor the bipartisan agreement to stop schools discriminating against gay students now that they’ve won the election or will that be part of their “religious freedom bill” which they conveniently waited to introduce until after the election.
Which one do you think they’ll go with, Manbush?

Seriously now


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Not sure mate but where I’m leaning, there’s a reason the LNP put off discussing the religious freedom review, also a senator has written requesting an investigation into Folaus sacking, Labors talking they may have to pander more to the religious, have a feeling this election is going to strengthen religious privileges rather than weakening them as should be happening.
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Post by papabear » June 4, 2019, 8:31 pm

For me the last labor terms put me further from voting labor then I ever have been which includes a good couple of elections where I voted for them.

Fundamentally they are going to have to convince Me that underlying their policy they do not have a spirit or core value as the Pollies like to say, of more govt intervention, more taxation, more spending and more control.

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Post by Manbush » June 5, 2019, 8:21 am

The government intervention one always gets me when conservatives say they want less and liberals want more, liberals want more when it comes to regulating businesses but conservatives want more government intervention when it comes to personal freedoms like abortion, euthanasia, drugs etc, they all want more and less government intervention just on different issues.
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Post by papabear » June 5, 2019, 11:29 am

I want less intervention in both personal freedoms and business.

Humanity in my opinion works best when governments leave people to live their own lives and focuses on their own big picture projects like large infrastructure / nation building stuff.

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Labor can’t manage our economy... :)

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Post by Sterlk » June 6, 2019, 10:24 pm

So it looks like a bunch of gun nuts in the US, who are used to having Australia's laws used in arguments against their lunacy, are using the Darwin shooting to rub their 'ideological superiority' in Australia's face.

The stupidity is breathtaking, the disconnect from reality is extreme. They've had something like 148 mass shootings this year alone, but sure, we're the ones who have got gun control wrong.

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Post by The Rickman » June 6, 2019, 10:31 pm

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by gangrenous » June 7, 2019, 6:27 am

The logic is breathtakingly stupid.

I’m ashamed to be considered the same species.

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Post by The Rickman » June 7, 2019, 9:56 am

gangrenous wrote:
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The logic is breathtakingly stupid.

I’m ashamed to be considered the same species.
Haha to be fair, arguing with a gun control nut is similar to arguing with you and Fergus about referees.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by gangrenous » June 7, 2019, 12:56 pm

If we’re being fair, you’re a ****

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