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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 18, 2019, 10:31 pm

The Rickman wrote:
May 18, 2019, 10:14 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
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Dr Zaius wrote:Libs would have shat this in with Turnbull
As I’ve said all along


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I wouldn’t either.

When have I ever been right when it comes to politics?
Couldn't say as I haven't been listening to you.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Manbush » May 18, 2019, 10:34 pm

Well disappointing election but about time Shorten was replaced, the highlights of this election for me have been Abbott getting the boot and Danny Nulliah losing his tax exemption status.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 18, 2019, 10:40 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
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Northern Raider wrote:Geez even the panels are talking about policies in identify all these reasons for the pending result. This purely and simply a rejection of Bill Shorten as a prospective PM.
I don't know. It would have been an easy decision for me to vote for the ALP if he wasn't so focused on taxing the crap out of self funded retirees. As much as I can't stand him, I was hoping for a clean out of the libs.
No doubt a lot of people's votes were influenced by policy but those would be fairly balanced. I believe the majority of swing voters simply didn't want Shorten as PM. This was very clear in polls where ALP were always ahead in 2 party preference. As for preferred PM polls Shorten has always lagged behind both Turnbull and ScoMo. This election has reflected the latter poll. To me that says on a general policy level people were OK with what ALP were offering they just couldn't stand their leader.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 18, 2019, 11:46 pm

Shorten finally concedes. The speech started well but became a bit of a lengthy ramble.
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Post by yeh raiders » May 19, 2019, 12:09 am

Got on the Libs at $4.50, they blew out to $7 and SportsBet even paid out on Labor win bets.

The first time I’ve actually liked Queenslanders !

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Post by yeh raiders » May 19, 2019, 12:19 am

Absolutely agree that if Shorten was in any way likeable, ALP would’ve won comfortably.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 12:20 am

yeh raiders wrote:Absolutely agree that if Shorten was in any way likeable, ALP would’ve won comfortably.
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Post by yeh raiders » May 19, 2019, 12:37 am

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yeh raiders wrote:Absolutely agree that if Shorten was in any way likeable, ALP would’ve won comfortably.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by papabear » May 19, 2019, 12:37 am

Fundamentally pmising to help tank an already tanking market was a bad idea.

It might have been ok with housing burning to hot. But now it just doesn’t work.

Also the whole premise of we are going to redistribute wealth and become more involved is wrong, labor miscalculated how much the electorate wanted the govt involved.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by papabear » May 19, 2019, 12:42 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:
May 15, 2019, 5:35 pm
Carbon dioxide pollution is a significant cause of climate change. And plastic pollution, while being a serious environmental problem, is far less of a concern than climate change.

Hope that helps address your concerns.
I am told there is a continent of plastic outside South America with sea life and bird life all during from ingesting plastic and our waterways just filled with jelly fish because fish sticks are so low.

To me this seems like an issue that should be getting more airtime.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by papabear » May 19, 2019, 12:47 am

Manbush wrote:
May 16, 2019, 4:16 pm
papabear wrote:
May 16, 2019, 3:23 pm
Manbush wrote:
May 16, 2019, 3:15 pm
T_R wrote:
May 15, 2019, 7:35 pm
Manbush wrote:With the outrage over Folaus comments I’m surprised people are happy to vote for someone who shares identical beliefs and less likely to end religious privilege to discriminate under the guise of religious freedom.
Please show evidence of that.


Sharing the beliefs of another Pentecostal whose beliefs include a literal fire and brimstone hell, his refusal to answer a simple yes or no question.

Being a Pentecostal I’m also curious as to his views on end times, it’s popular amongst them to be looking forward to it and believing it’s going to happen soon which would impact on governing.
honestly i think it is beneath either party to bring in peoples personal beliefs on stuff.

Whether you want to criticize bill for not believing in hell or whatever morrison believes, eitherway I think your notion that scomo is going to govern on a bias towards an incoming end times is full of ****.
Beliefs inform actions though so certain beliefs are very relevant.

Take Trump bowing to the evangelicals with Israel because to them it’s part of end times prophecy.

Also take climate change denial, I know correlation does not equal causation but I don’t think it’s a coincidence it’s generally the domain of the more religious.
Hamming on people due to their religion is weak.

Ham on the religion, but some very clever people might have some very strange religious beliefs

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 9:33 am

Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Manbush » May 19, 2019, 9:53 am

papabear wrote:
May 19, 2019, 12:47 am


Ham on the religion, but some very clever people might have some very strange religious beliefs
Id never say otherwise mate, even the most intelligent people can believe things for bad reasons.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Manbush » May 19, 2019, 9:56 am

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yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing


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I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 9:57 am

Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
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yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing


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I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
And that’s ok, you’d be wrong


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 10:35 am

The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

The people have spoken
GetUp focused on ousting Tony Abbott and were successful in doing so. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war. They channeled their efforts into a couple of electorates (they failed with Oakeshott). End result is the LNP have retained power and GetUp have removed the pebble in their shoe. ScoMo will be far more secure in his leadership in this coming term without Abbott's destabilising influence.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

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The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:57 am
Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing


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I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
And that’s ok, you’d be wrong


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Anything to support that? Our economy internationally ranks higher under Labor so I’m genuinely interested what makes you think Liberals do a better job.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

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Northern Raider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

The people have spoken
GetUp focused on ousting Tony Abbott and were successful in doing so. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war. They channeled their efforts into a couple of electorates (they failed with Oakeshott). End result is the LNP have retained power and GetUp have removed the pebble in their shoe. ScoMo will be far more secure in his leadership in this coming term without Abbott's destabilising influence.
Yup. The only negative in this election is Dutton got up, but you can’t have everything, can you?

**** stoked to see Shorten, Abbot, Palmer, Hanson and Anning all get **** all over though. What a great result for Australia


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

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Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:57 am
Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing


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I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
And that’s ok, you’d be wrong


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Anything to support that? Our economy internationally ranks higher under Labor so I’m genuinely interested what makes you think Liberals do a better job.
You mean during the global financial crisis when literally every other economy in the world **** their pants?


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Manbush » May 19, 2019, 11:23 am

The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 11:18 am
Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:57 am
Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing


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I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
And that’s ok, you’d be wrong


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Anything to support that? Our economy internationally ranks higher under Labor so I’m genuinely interested what makes you think Liberals do a better job.
You mean during the global financial crisis when literally every other economy in the world **** their pants?


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All economies including our EDIT

Not just that but every year since the Liberals have been in this time we’ve been sliding down the rankings,

2013 when they took over we were 1st
2014 3rd
2015 9th
2016 13th
2017 18th
2018 21st
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 11:25 am

It will be interesting to see the final washup of how the country voted. See if there are any new trends emerging.
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Northern Raider wrote:It will be interesting to see the final washup of how the country voted. See if there are any new trends emerging.
Seems to be a definite trend against racism, which is great


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 11:30 am

Manbush wrote:
May 19, 2019, 11:23 am
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 11:18 am
Manbush wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:57 am
Manbush wrote:
I used to believe the Libs were better for the economy but if you look back over the past 12years it appears to be the opposite. Like the Republicans they’re too busy looking after their own interests and those of their wealthy mates.
And that’s ok, you’d be wrong


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Anything to support that? Our economy internationally ranks higher under Labor so I’m genuinely interested what makes you think Liberals do a better job.
You mean during the global financial crisis when literally every other economy in the world **** their pants?


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All economies including our shat their pants.

Not just that but every year since the Liberals have been in this time we’ve been sliding down the rankings,

2013 when they took over we were 1st
2014 3rd
2015 9th
2016 13th
2017 18th
2018 21st
What ranking are you using here?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Manbush » May 19, 2019, 11:34 am

“The IAREM score
The Independent Australia ranking on economic management (IAREM) is a composite index which measures the performance of all national economies on eight key indicators.

These are income, GDP growth, median wealth per person, jobs, inflation, tax levels, net debt and economic freedom. It is a simple formula, easily replicated by econometrics nuts or anyone with the internet, spreadsheet software and too much spare time:

IAREM = ip + gr + mw + j – in – t – nd + ef”
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Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 11:41 am

Manbush is absolutely just crapping on about nothing. Our economy soared in the “rankings” due to globally every other economy **** itself. This has since normalised as the GFC has passed

It’s not **** rocket surgery


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The Rickman wrote:
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Manbush is absolutely just crapping on about nothing. Our economy soared in the “rankings” due to globally every other economy **** itself. This has since normalised as the GFC has passed

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Ours EDIT though mate, so it’s a coincidence that ever since Liberals got in it’s been declining every year?

I’ve asked if you’ve got anything to support your claim but apparently not, you are like how I used to be just believing the Libs are better with the economy based on feelings and reputation.

When Labor took over in 2007 we were 9th, they got us to 3rd the following year when the GFC hit and kept us in 1st ever year except 2010 (4th) till the Libs took over.
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Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 12:12 pm

You’re completely missing my point and I’m not going to keep reiterating it

Read what I said again


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Your “point” that conveniently ignored our economy tanking and ignored the other trends.

Your point seems to be you’ve got nothing to support your assertion same as I didn’t when I thought Liberals were good for the economy.

I’m genuinely interested in actually seeing data which supports it, to see if my original belief a couple of years ago was warranted because it doesn’t look like it was.

If it’s not “rocket surgery” you should be able to point to some actual hard evidence not merely repeat the same assertion over and over again.

Why have we crashed to 21st if it’s purely a return to the norm when we were 9th before the GFC?
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Northern Raider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

The people have spoken
GetUp focused on ousting Tony Abbott and were successful in doing so. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war. They channeled their efforts into a couple of electorates (they failed with Oakeshott). End result is the LNP have retained power and GetUp have removed the pebble in their shoe. ScoMo will be far more secure in his leadership in this coming term without Abbott's destabilising influence.
GetUp spent an estimated $12m to get rid of Abbott, and an estimated $10m to fail to get rid of Dutton.

$22m to roll one Member, who may well have been on the way out anyway.

That's a fairly questionable use of funds if you ask me.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 12:30 pm

Manbush wrote:
May 19, 2019, 11:34 am
“The IAREM score
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These are income, GDP growth, median wealth per person, jobs, inflation, tax levels, net debt and economic freedom. It is a simple formula, easily replicated by econometrics nuts or anyone with the internet, spreadsheet software and too much spare time:

IAREM = ip + gr + mw + j – in – t – nd + ef”
Can't say I'm familiar with it. Is this used as a benchmark by the major global economies?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 12:36 pm

T_R wrote:
May 19, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

The people have spoken
GetUp focused on ousting Tony Abbott and were successful in doing so. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war. They channeled their efforts into a couple of electorates (they failed with Oakeshott). End result is the LNP have retained power and GetUp have removed the pebble in their shoe. ScoMo will be far more secure in his leadership in this coming term without Abbott's destabilising influence.
GetUp spent an estimated $12m to get rid of Abbott, and an estimated $10m to fail to get rid of Dutton.

$22m to roll one Member, who may well have been on the way out anyway.

That's a fairly questionable use of funds if you ask me.
Blew nearly as much as Clive Palmer.
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Post by Manbush » May 19, 2019, 12:38 pm

Not sure mate, I’m very much a rookie when it comes to economy (99% of people are) but the metrics and formula seem reasonable and repeatable, not based off emotions etc.
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The Politics Thread 2019

Post by The Rickman » May 19, 2019, 12:42 pm

T_R wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
May 19, 2019, 9:33 am
Make no mistake people, yesterday’s result was a great one for our nation. Australia pretty much overwhelmingly said NO to racism, we’ve voted out Hanson and Anning, said goodbye to Tony Abbot and Clive Palmer, yet stated we want a strong Liberal party in charge of the economy. That’s a good thing

And before you get started on climate change, Labor really wasn’t going to do anything significant in that sphere anyway

The people have spoken
GetUp focused on ousting Tony Abbott and were successful in doing so. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war. They channeled their efforts into a couple of electorates (they failed with Oakeshott). End result is the LNP have retained power and GetUp have removed the pebble in their shoe. ScoMo will be far more secure in his leadership in this coming term without Abbott's destabilising influence.
GetUp spent an estimated $12m to get rid of Abbott, and an estimated $10m to fail to get rid of Dutton.

$22m to roll one Member, who may well have been on the way out anyway.

That's a fairly questionable use of funds if you ask me.
Haha questionable use of funds?

Clive Palmer: hold my beer!


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Re: The Politics Thread 2019

Post by Northern Raider » May 19, 2019, 12:59 pm

One thing Palmer might learn is he can fire bullets to bring people down but can't garner enough support to lift his party up. In future he's best served operating like a right wing version of GetUp if he wants to influence Australian politics.....it's still pissing away money but could at least have something to show for it.
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