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Schifty wrote: March 26, 2019, 8:10 pm Image

Pauline thinks Port Arthur was a false flag.
About a decade ago I worked with a bloke who grew up with Martin Bryant, his mum used to babysit him. One day I raised the possibility of the Port Arthur massacre potentially being a False Flag because of the points Hanson raised above, and he looked m dead in the eye and said "Rickman, Marty Bryant could shoot the wings off a fly."

Conspiracy theorists are **** morons. Pauline Hanson is one of the biggest morons.
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The Rickman wrote:
Schifty wrote: March 26, 2019, 8:10 pm Image

Pauline thinks Port Arthur was a false flag.
About a decade ago I worked with a bloke who grew up with Martin Bryant, his mum used to babysit him. One day I raised the possibility of the Port Arthur massacre potentially being a False Flag because of the points Hanson raised above, and he looked m dead in the eye and said "Rickman, Marty Bryant could shoot the wings off a fly."

Conspiracy theorists are **** morons. Pauline Hanson is one of the biggest morons.
Except for the fact that pot is a cure cancer, and well everything. That **** is on the money.
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papabear wrote: with a hidden camera without consent it was underhanded.
Really? This is your take away?
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Papa bear must work for sky News.

Thats the angle they've been pushing
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I honestly though that this would be the final stab wound to kill One Nation (which would ultimately just bleed votes into the Fraser Anning ****-show, of course), but according to my redneck Facebook feed, it was all a set up and a conspiracy of the Qatari government, who see One Nation as a major obstacle on the road to the global domination of Islam.
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T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 8:55 am I honestly though that this would be the final stab wound to kill One Nation (which would ultimately just bleed votes into the Fraser Anning ****, of course), but according to my redneck Facebook feed, it was all a set up and a conspiracy of the Qatari government, who see One Nation as a major obstacle on the road to the global domination of Islam.
You're wrong, according to comments I read this was all set up by the Guardian Australia and a left wing entrapment plot.

I wish I was joking about that being a claim.
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So, the fringe left wing extremist party the Australia Greens have announced:

- The complete termination of Australia's largest export industry over the next ten years ($60bn/year)
- A complete ban on new non-electric cars over the next ten years
- The complete shut down of coal power stations (73% of Australia's power generation) over ten years

This should be good.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... r-stations
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Pauline Hanson denies receiving donations from the NRMA :D

Today has been awesome
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That is a clever way to avoid lying
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Awww, c'mon. No one wanting to defend that crap from the Greens?
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T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 1:27 pm So, the fringe left wing extremist party the Australia Greens have announced:

- The complete termination of Australia's largest export industry over the next ten years ($60bn/year)
- A complete ban on new non-electric cars over the next ten years
- The complete shut down of coal power stations (73% of Australia's power generation) over ten years

This should be good.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... r-stations
This is the **** that drives me crazy
Greens supporters look at this **** and say “well hey, they’ll never been the ruling party so their insane policies don’t matter”

But then act like we should give a **** about their other polices and pretend they’re a serious party worth merit, and accept in a minority government these people should have a role in the power to dictate the country’s leader

The greens are a totally irresponsible party with policies as insane and ridiculous as any on the extreme right.
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T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 7:37 pm Awww, c'mon. No one wanting to defend that crap from the Greens?
IMO it just shows that Di Natale has taken them too far to the right.

There's not even any mention on the website of being able to buy Acid at Coles.

You'd then actually have incentive to collect those stickers
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T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 7:37 pm Awww, c'mon. No one wanting to defend that crap from the Greens?
Why I can never support the Greens, they have some good ideas but they go way too far, I’ll stick with Reason.
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Schifty wrote: March 28, 2019, 7:59 pm
T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 7:37 pm Awww, c'mon. No one wanting to defend that crap from the Greens?
IMO it just shows that Di Natale has taken them too far to the right.

There's not even any mention on the website of being able to buy Acid at Coles.

You'd then actually have incentive to collect those stickers
Now that one I actually support if sold and regulated the same way as alcohol and tobacco :lol:
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Since the politics thread is probably the most relevant place on The GH to talk about NBN stuff, I found this highly entertaining:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/ ... s/10925254
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Pete Evans trying to become the face of medicinal cannabis is a twist I didn't see coming.

He'll be sure to set the movement back 10 years.

Why people who are trying to push the 'medical' angle would get an anti vaxer who believes Sunscreen is a conspiracy I will never know..
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PigRickman wrote: March 28, 2019, 7:53 pm
T_R wrote: March 28, 2019, 1:27 pm So, the fringe left wing extremist party the Australia Greens have announced:

- The complete termination of Australia's largest export industry over the next ten years ($60bn/year)
- A complete ban on new non-electric cars over the next ten years
- The complete shut down of coal power stations (73% of Australia's power generation) over ten years

This should be good.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... r-stations
This is the **** that drives me crazy
Greens supporters look at this **** and say “well hey, they’ll never been the ruling party so their insane policies don’t matter”

But then act like we should give a **** about their other polices and pretend they’re a serious party worth merit, and accept in a minority government these people should have a role in the power to dictate the country’s leader

The greens are a totally irresponsible party with policies as insane and ridiculous as any on the extreme right.
I would say worse. The extreme right treat people like ****. The extreme left treat money like ****.
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gangrenous wrote: March 28, 2019, 5:33 am
papabear wrote: with a hidden camera without consent it was underhanded.
Really? This is your take away?
not my only take away.

Obviously one nation are a joke, I thought that was par for the course.
The NRA are an evil empire, again par for the course.

But imo a hidden camera without consent is dodgy, dodgy journalism and dodgy ethics all around dodgy, made for good tv though.

Unless you are catching someone in a serious crime, doing stuff like that imo is disgusting.
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Personally, I don't like the medical angle.

Make weed legal because:-
- People enjoy it.
- It should be taxed and regulated funding govt as opposed to funding criminal organisations.
- You are generally going to have better data and education around legal stuff then illegal stuff.
- It would piss a bunch of morons off.

Are the arguments I like.
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papabear wrote:Personally, I don't like the medical angle.

Make weed legal because:-
- People enjoy it.
- It should be taxed and regulated funding govt as opposed to funding criminal organisations.
- You are generally going to have better data and education around legal stuff then illegal stuff.
- It would piss a bunch of morons off.

Are the arguments I like.
ignoring the health conversation.
I’m in LA at the moment so just participated in ‘weed tourism’. My wife who is not a smoker, came with me and as we exited the establishment remarked ‘that was impressive and is how it should be done’.

For every person that left, someone was arriving, 95% of the people I saw pulled up, grabbed their product and left immediately. About half the clientele were my age (over 40).






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Treating money like **** is worse than treating people like ****?

Trying to pervert democracy is not a serious crime?

Sounds like you’re okay with legal weed because you’re already on it...
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Let he who hasn't got on the sauce and flown overseas to seek money from a foreign company in exchange for changing our democracy system cast the first stone.

I'll openly admit I've taken money to try change the way the GH is run

As someone on twitter pointed out, if the media went undercover and exposed a terror cell would the same people still be saying "ohh I don't think that was very fair"
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Schifty wrote: April 3, 2019, 7:39 pm Let he who hasn't got on the sauce and flown overseas to seek money from a foreign company in exchange for changing our democracy system cast the first stone.

I'll openly admit I've taken money to try change the way the GH is run

As someone on twitter pointed out, if the media went undercover and exposed a terror cell would the same people still be saying "ohh I don't think that was very fair"
As much of a joke as one nation are and as despicable as the NRA are, they are both different to people who are actively planning to murder innocent people.

1 - Is actively involved in the murder of innocent children and people.
2 - The other is preventing meaningful law reform / gun buy backs / confiscation to assist in preventing further murder of innocent children and people.

Different grades of wrong, warrant different strengths of responses.

I liked the biblical first part of your post though, had a nice flow.
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gangrenous wrote: April 3, 2019, 5:08 pm Treating money like **** is worse than treating people like ****?

Trying to pervert democracy is not a serious crime?

Sounds like you’re okay with legal weed because you’re already on it...
Ganga every person in the political system is trying to pervert democracy to their advantage, if they go to far and commit a crime I suspect they will be charged.

IMO the government plays the role of a ref and money is the scorecard, I prefer governments who understand the rules and applies them properly (even if they treat the players like ****) then a govt who has a great relationship with the players but doesnt know the rules for ****, and everyone is running around like headless chooks. In terms of an actual person, obviously, I think it is more important for people to treat people more important then money, but no not a government.

Then with a classic ganga insult following us having different political opinions. I am going to start taking these as a compliment, imo, your argument is strengthened if you can stay out of the personal stuff, but look if it makes you feel better, lay into me over the internet!! :P
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papabear wrote:Personally, I don't like the medical angle.

Make weed legal because:-
- People enjoy it.
- It should be taxed and regulated funding govt as opposed to funding criminal organisations.
- You are generally going to have better data and education around legal stuff then illegal stuff.
- It would piss a bunch of morons off.

Are the arguments I like.
Valid arguments. Point 2 is my main reason for it to be legalised.
I’d prefer it to be legal and the taxes to go to something useful, than to some toothless dude rocking a rats tail and a Bin Tang singlet living in Housing Commission named Chaz, who would just spend his tax free cash on either a widescreen tv for Brandine and their 12 kids, or a Mustang for himself
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I see you've met Chaz too, StickStick!

When you see the **** next, tell 'im I want me wrestling VHS's back!!
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Lay into you papabear? I feel you may have taken that as more of a personal attack than intended.

Put simply I don’t understand how you come to your political views. We’re clearly very different people.

Although following your latest explanation I think I at least understand what you mean on the money comment. I disagree that the two are mutually exclusive and people always take preference for me.
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Whether it’s indirect or direct actions that puts us at greater risk of mass murder of innocents I’m not too fussed in how those who willingly choose those paths are exposed.
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Labor calling the change giving the energy benefit to Newstart recipients a “budget black hole. Saying it’s evidence the budget is falling apart.

Hang on guys, you asked for this change, you got it because it made sense, can you cut the political Bull for two seconds. I mean it’s not like there isn’t plenty of legitimate things to bitch about with these clowns.
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Brewdle wrote: April 3, 2019, 5:06 pm
papabear wrote:Personally, I don't like the medical angle.

Make weed legal because:-
- People enjoy it.
- It should be taxed and regulated funding govt as opposed to funding criminal organisations.
- You are generally going to have better data and education around legal stuff then illegal stuff.
- It would piss a bunch of morons off.

Are the arguments I like.
ignoring the health conversation.
I’m in LA at the moment so just participated in ‘weed tourism’. My wife who is not a smoker, came with me and as we exited the establishment remarked ‘that was impressive and is how it should be done’.

For every person that left, someone was arriving, 95% of the people I saw pulled up, grabbed their product and left immediately. About half the clientele were my age (over 40).






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The more brewdles of this world that enjoy places with legal weed, the worse our place looks and the closer we are to changing it.
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gangrenous wrote: April 4, 2019, 5:45 pm Lay into you papabear? I feel you may have taken that as more of a personal attack than intended.

Put simply I don’t understand how you come to your political views. We’re clearly very different people.

Although following your latest explanation I think I at least understand what you mean on the money comment. I disagree that the two are mutually exclusive and people always take preference for me.


I am a sensitive man.
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gangrenous wrote: April 4, 2019, 6:55 pm Labor calling the change giving the energy benefit to Newstart recipients a “budget black hole. Saying it’s evidence the budget is falling apart.

Hang on guys, you asked for this change, you got it because it made sense, can you cut the political Bull for two seconds. I mean it’s not like there isn’t plenty of legitimate things to bitch about with these clowns.
Tbh just throwing it out there that I disagree with any additional hand outs or increases to Newstart.

Not from a budgetary perspective. From an anecdotal experience perspective the 30 yr old bloke living at home smashing out computer games all day isn’t paying for the electricity that just went up not does he need more cash to upgrade his rig all the time.
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Newstart needs to be tightened to the point where unless there are circumstances where finding work isn't possible (rural, can't travel/relocate) then it should be a payment for 12 months maximum
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-TW- wrote:Newstart needs to be tightened to the point where unless there are circumstances where finding work isn't possible (rural, can't travel/relocate) then it should be a payment for 12 months maximum
How could that possibly work?
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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.
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-TW- wrote:Newstart needs to be tightened to the point where unless there are circumstances where finding work isn't possible (rural, can't travel/relocate) then it should be a payment for 12 months maximum
Isn’t it like that anyway? I remember when I had to go on it, I had to state what I intended to do if I was still unemployed after 12 months. Can’t remember all of the options, but serve in the defence force and take up study were two of them.

I always thought the intent was to get me to do something else to get off Newstart?
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