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I've always been of the opinion that its very easy for individuals to impose their will on others by highlighting problems / issues then amplify them into something that they are quite simply not.

Whilst I am not ignorant to the many real issues that plague today's society, it always astonishes me that when these individuals are pushed for answers, they don't have any.

If you don't have an answer, I'd suggest that the issue you are agitating about may not be as important as your actions may suggest.

Find a solution and make it happen, otherwise move on to issues that can be resolved.

Constant bickering and the to and fro about a sunject that no-one has an answer to is just a waste of time, energy and resources...and I'm my opinion a good ol' Ricky Stuart style smokescreen or classic aussie ****.

There are far mere important things for the leaders of this country to be focussing energies on, and its about time they got on and did it.
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The public holiday for Australia Day has existed since the 1930s (the following Monday, so it was a long weekend), the public holiday was taken exclusively on January 26 from 1994.
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Well said Rob.

If Di Natale and co were genuinely concerned about the plight of aboriginal people, he'd focus on more pressing issues than the date of Australia Day.



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It’s fun listening to dubby tell groups he’s not a part of exactly what they need or want


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http://www.news.com.au/technology/penta ... 4489942345

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-16/u ... ts/9332030

Anyone else feel like we've been here before? A sociopath in the Kremlin and a TV star and pathological liar in the Whitehouse.
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Notaroboticfish wrote:It’s fun listening to dubby tell groups he’s not a part of exactly what they need or want


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I think last Friday of January would be a good compromise. Keep the public holiday, it’s always a long weekend, keeps the ‘historical relevance’ and it’s also usually not on the 26th


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What about Canberra Raider fan rights Nickman?

On shifting Aus day, I don’t mind. Might as well shift it so everyone can be included if it’s a big deal to enough people.

Agree that it’s got to stay in summer and away from the other public hols though. Early Feb seems sensible.

I’m not sure it would be my focus though.
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Give people New Years Eve as a public holiday. Then put Australia Day on 1 January. The whole country is closed down anyway at that time.


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greeneyed wrote:Give people New Years Eve as a public holiday. Then put Australia Day on 1 January. The whole country is closed down anyway at that time.


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So we get one less day off for the year?? Absolutely awful idea.
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Notaroboticfish wrote:I think last Friday of January would be a good compromise. Keep the public holiday, it’s always a long weekend, keeps the ‘historical relevance’ and it’s also usually not on the 26th


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I reckon first Friday of February so it's never the 26th January again would be my call.
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Yeah, I think that would be fair too


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The Nickman wrote:
Notaroboticfish wrote:I think last Friday of January would be a good compromise. Keep the public holiday, it’s always a long weekend, keeps the ‘historical relevance’ and it’s also usually not on the 26th


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I reckon first Friday of February so it's never the 26th January again would be my call.
No you get the same number of public holidays. You just take one less rec day at Christmas. Would be a two day party. You have to commemorate something as your national day. Foundation of the Commonwealth of Australia seems the best thing.


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Someone has to focus on it or nothing will get done.

My hope is it will lead to constitutional recognition, a republic, a new national day and a brand spanking new flag.
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greeneyed wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
Notaroboticfish wrote:I think last Friday of January would be a good compromise. Keep the public holiday, it’s always a long weekend, keeps the ‘historical relevance’ and it’s also usually not on the 26th


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I reckon first Friday of February so it's never the 26th January again would be my call.
No you get the same number of public holidays. You just take one less rec day at Christmas. Would be a two day party. You have to commemorate something as your national day. Foundation of the Commonwealth of Australia seems the best thing.


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Getting a public holiday moved from during the year and jammed into the period I usually get holidays anyway is absolute rubbish and means I get one less public holiday during the year.

I get an extra day of annual leave?? Whoop-dee-bloody-doo, I’d rather the public holiday during the year, thanks.
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You can't just say... let's have Australia Day on some random day! You need a reason to have a public holiday. If it isn't to be January 26, then you need another meaningful day. It can't be... let's just have it in between New Year and Easter!
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greeneyed wrote:You can't just say... let's have Australia Day on some random day! You need a reason to have a public holiday. If it isn't to be January 26, then you need another meaningful day. It can't be... let's just have it in between New Year and Easter!
Yes it can! It’s a day to celebrate our country, it doesn’t need any particular historical significance, although a day that doesn’t cause offence to a large proportion of our indigenous Australians is probably a good start!
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Let's shift it to 25 January. That's my birthday.
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Make it 1st of August, my birthday and the day the Raiders flogged the Broncos 56-0, both worthy of a national holiday :)
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I’m telling you all, last Wednesday in April is where it’s at. You’ll thank me when it collided with ANZAC Day and Easter


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Australia Day is a national day of shame. What other countries celebrate the beginning of attempted mass genocide. If we are fair dinkum about the date we change it by signing a treaty with indigenous Australians and make that our national day.
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What about making Remembrance Day a public holiday?

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Sure, should still have an Australia Day though
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RTW wrote:Australia Day is a national day of shame. What other countries celebrate the beginning of attempted mass genocide. If we are fair dinkum about the date we change it by signing a treaty with indigenous Australians and make that our national day.
What are your thoughts on this, dubby?
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Being picky, but we don’t “celebrate the beginning of attempted mass genocide.”

As a bad analogy, when you celebrate your child’s birthday, you’re not celebrating your wife being in horrible pain.

Of course the analogy is not perfect, but is it helpful to characterise the behaviour as such? Perhaps “what other country chooses to celebrate on a day which represents the invasion/genocide of their indigenous people”?

And again for the record, I’m on board with moving the date.
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It’s just a day for getting double time if you’re working and getting on the piss with mates if you’re not. Doesn’t matter what day it is as long is it doesn’t fall on an existing public holiday. Simple as that. Could be September 25th for all I care.


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RTW wrote:Australia Day is a national day of shame. What other countries celebrate the beginning of attempted mass genocide.

That is just plain ridiculous.
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CJR wrote:It’s just a day for getting double time if you’re working and getting on the piss with mates if you’re not. Doesn’t matter what day it is as long is it doesn’t fall on an existing public holiday. Simple as that. Could be September 25th for all I care.


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Dibbers wrote:If Australia Day was to be moved (and i'm neither here nor there on the issue), then move it to Mid to Late Feb, last monday/friday of feb. Its still hot so you can enjoy a nice summers day, its between the Xmas Break and Easter, and you'd get evenly spaced out public holidays (NSW at least, not sure when the other states are...)

Xmas/New Years Day - End of Dec - Start of Jan
Australia Day - End of Feb
Easter - End of March/Early April
Anzac Day - End of April
Queens Birthday - June
Labour Day - Oct

Beautifully spaced out i reckon...
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Idk if you’re serious but the only one out of those I’ve ever seen people complain about are Australia Day and ANZAC Day. And Easter but that’s just because nothing’s open and they don’t really care for it.

The only controversy surrounding Christmas is drummed up by conservatives, and no one cares enough about the Queens Birthday or Labour Day to get too worked up about them


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The Nickman wrote: I agree with everything you said except for the word "slightly".
Well this is far from the slobberknockers that you and The Crush had back in the day! Trump truly is a powerful man if he can unite us in agreement! :lol: You are the same Nick that I remember, right? :shock:
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greeneyed wrote:Unelectable in the USA.
I wouldn't be so sure, GE. It would be a drastic change for the US, there's no doubt about that. Their politics has been very right of centre for a very long time. But I wouldn't say that Sanders has no chance, especially considering how popular he is at the moment. Lets also remember that he is a current elected Senator, so to say he is unelectable isn't entirely true. Granted, winning over the entire country is a much bigger task than becoming a senator, but it's definitely possible.


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Notaroboticfish wrote:Idk if you’re serious but the only one out of those I’ve ever seen people complain about are Australia Day and ANZAC Day. And Easter but that’s just because nothing’s open and they don’t really care for it.

The only controversy surrounding Christmas is drummed up by conservatives, and no one cares enough about the Queens Birthday or Labour Day to get too worked up about them


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Really? Plenty of groups wanting the word Christmas removed all together as it represents a particular religious group.
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The only people that ever get offended about Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas are white conservative Christians. It’s not a ‘war on Christmas’ as people like to say.

Everyone is perfectly happy for you to say Merry Christmas and to celebrate it. It’s just much easier to use a more inclusive term when you don’t necessarily know which holiday the person celebrates


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T_R wrote:Vindicated wants an 83 year old in the White House.

Deary me.

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