gangrenous wrote:Thing is dubby, some opinions are not worthy of respect.
But we can respect the liberty that allows that person to have an opinion
Freedom of speech is not consequence free speech. If you say something that is baseless, discriminatory or hurtful than you have to take the response on the chin.
Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel. Your comment was historically inaccurate and inflammatory.
This post opens the potential for action under 18C.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 12:33 pm
by dubby
Manbush wrote:
dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:You can respect the right to an opinion but it doesn’t mean you need to respect said opinion. As I regularly say people deserve respect opinions/ideas/beliefs do not, we never know what experiences have led people to certain views.
Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
I had a chuckle.
Your first para is exactly what I've been saying.
Then you finish with a clanger in your last sentence.
Even our old resident Jew Albi highlighted how some of the stuff never actually occurred and were just myths like the mass exodus and science backs it up then there’s the whole god gave them the land, a claim as big as that needs to be supported by evidence to have any legitimacy, Hitchens’s razor.
Our old Jew Albi wasn't the slightest bias in his opinions either
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 2:00 pm
by gerg
dubby wrote:Well that could be considered glib, gerg. But I don't think you're that sort of guy.
I used both faith and medicine. I dont think science replaces faith or vice versa, particularly with medicine.
Sorry Dubby just having a sneaky jibe, no harm intended. So long as you are (getting) happy and healthy it doesn't matter how it's done. When I was crook a few years back I used naturopathy and tai chi/self healing meditation to get better.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 2:18 pm
by Manbush
dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:
dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:You can respect the right to an opinion but it doesn’t mean you need to respect said opinion. As I regularly say people deserve respect opinions/ideas/beliefs do not, we never know what experiences have led people to certain views.
Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
I had a chuckle.
Your first para is exactly what I've been saying.
Then you finish with a clanger in your last sentence.
Even our old resident Jew Albi highlighted how some of the stuff never actually occurred and were just myths like the mass exodus and science backs it up then there’s the whole god gave them the land, a claim as big as that needs to be supported by evidence to have any legitimacy, Hitchens’s razor.
Our old Jew Albi wasn't the slightest bias in his opinions either
Haha true but the evidence supports his bias.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 2:27 pm
by The Nickman
Yeah, I can't say I disagree with too much Albi says about society in general.
He and dubby are almost complete polar opposites.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 2:51 pm
by Notaroboticfish
Btw, Sam Dastyari announced he won’t return to the senate in 2018 today
I wonder how many more politicians are on the receiving end of foreign money via Australian registered corporations?
Probably quite a few. Dastyari was just terrible at covering it up.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 5:00 pm
by The Nickman
If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.
The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but ****
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 12, 2017, 11:06 pm
by Cranky Old Man
Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but ****
I have been to Israel, and spent a very short time relieving there back in the day. It is almost impossible to overstate the unrelieved horrors imposed on the Palestinians in an almost casual but carefully calibrated fashion by the Israelis. Sadly, about the only comparison I can make is with the Nazi occupation of Europe without the Final Solution for the Jews.
That is a bit glib, but you get my point.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 13, 2017, 9:06 am
by The Nickman
Cranky Old Man wrote:
Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but ****
I have been to Israel, and spent a very short time relieving there back in the day. It is almost impossible to overstate the unrelieved horrors imposed on the Palestinians in an almost casual but carefully calibrated fashion by the Israelis. Sadly, about the only comparison I can make is with the Nazi occupation of Europe without the Final Solution for the Jews.
That is a bit glib, but you get my point.
It's pretty horrible stuff, and completely illegal by international law and considered that by the entire international community except for the US.
That's why Trump's actions actually legitimise Israel's occupation of East Jerusalem, and have been wholeheartedly condemned by every nation on the planet, as evidenced by this report:
We already have that title depending on how you define repealing equality...
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 13, 2017, 5:25 pm
by Green eyed Mick
It's amazing what people will let their government's get away with in the name of national security.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 13, 2017, 6:17 pm
by dubby
The Nickman wrote:In other news, dubby's about to move to Bermuda.
You just want me to disappear
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 15, 2017, 8:20 am
by Manbush
Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 15, 2017, 12:05 pm
by Manbush
The Royal Commission has released its 21 volume report with 400 recommendations, from the small bits I’ve seen they’ve been particularly harsh on the Catholic Church.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 15, 2017, 2:56 pm
by Green eyed Mick
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
We're living in a black mirror episode. Best just sit back and enjoy it.
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 15, 2017, 3:31 pm
by Off
So have any of you mad shaggers tied the knot under the new legislation yet?
Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 18, 2017, 10:52 pm
by -TW-
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 18, 2017, 11:10 pm
by Manbush
-TW- wrote:
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014
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The FCC is repealing the Obama era net neutrality laws, Obama tried to protect it from paid prioritisation and throttling of services.
Manbush wrote:Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
The Torah especially. Can’t stand her, and Chumpy Pullin for that matter
The Politics Thread 2017
Posted: December 19, 2017, 6:57 am
by FuiFui BradBrad
Manbush wrote:
-TW- wrote:
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014
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The FCC is repealing the Obama era net neutrality laws, Obama tried to protect it from paid prioritisation and throttling of services.
