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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by T_R » December 12, 2017, 12:06 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
dubby wrote:
gangrenous wrote:Thing is dubby, some opinions are not worthy of respect.
But we can respect the liberty that allows that person to have an opinion
Freedom of speech is not consequence free speech. If you say something that is baseless, discriminatory or hurtful than you have to take the response on the chin.

Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel. Your comment was historically inaccurate and inflammatory.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by dubby » December 12, 2017, 12:33 pm

Manbush wrote:
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Manbush wrote:You can respect the right to an opinion but it doesn’t mean you need to respect said opinion. As I regularly say people deserve respect opinions/ideas/beliefs do not, we never know what experiences have led people to certain views.

Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
I had a chuckle.
Your first para is exactly what I've been saying.

Then you finish with a clanger in your last sentence. Image
Even our old resident Jew Albi highlighted how some of the stuff never actually occurred and were just myths like the mass exodus and science backs it up then there’s the whole god gave them the land, a claim as big as that needs to be supported by evidence to have any legitimacy, Hitchens’s razor.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

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dubby wrote:Well that could be considered glib, gerg. But I don't think you're that sort of guy.

I used both faith and medicine. I dont think science replaces faith or vice versa, particularly with medicine.
Sorry Dubby just having a sneaky jibe, no harm intended. So long as you are (getting) happy and healthy it doesn't matter how it's done. When I was crook a few years back I used naturopathy and tai chi/self healing meditation to get better.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » December 12, 2017, 2:18 pm

dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:
dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:You can respect the right to an opinion but it doesn’t mean you need to respect said opinion. As I regularly say people deserve respect opinions/ideas/beliefs do not, we never know what experiences have led people to certain views.

Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
I had a chuckle.
Your first para is exactly what I've been saying.

Then you finish with a clanger in your last sentence. Image
Even our old resident Jew Albi highlighted how some of the stuff never actually occurred and were just myths like the mass exodus and science backs it up then there’s the whole god gave them the land, a claim as big as that needs to be supported by evidence to have any legitimacy, Hitchens’s razor.
Our old Jew Albi wasn't the slightest bias in his opinions either Image
Haha true but the evidence supports his bias.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by The Rickman » December 12, 2017, 2:27 pm

Yeah, I can't say I disagree with too much Albi says about society in general.

He and dubby are almost complete polar opposites.
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Post by Notaroboticfish » December 12, 2017, 2:51 pm

Btw, Sam Dastyari announced he won’t return to the senate in 2018 today


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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Green eyed Mick » December 12, 2017, 3:20 pm

Notaroboticfish wrote:Btw, Sam Dastyari announced he won’t return to the senate in 2018 today


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Good.

I wonder how many more politicians are on the receiving end of foreign money via Australian registered corporations?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Northern Raider » December 12, 2017, 4:53 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
Notaroboticfish wrote:Btw, Sam Dastyari announced he won’t return to the senate in 2018 today


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Good.

I wonder how many more politicians are on the receiving end of foreign money via Australian registered corporations?
Probably quite a few. Dastyari was just terrible at covering it up.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by The Rickman » December 12, 2017, 5:00 pm

If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.

https://newmatilda.com/2017/12/12/expla ... l-matters/
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by gangrenous » December 12, 2017, 5:09 pm

Notaroboticfish wrote:Btw, Sam Dastyari announced he won’t return to the senate in 2018 today


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Took far too long.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » December 12, 2017, 9:51 pm

The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.

https://newmatilda.com/2017/12/12/expla ... l-matters/
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but **** :doubt:
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Cranky Old Man » December 12, 2017, 11:06 pm

Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.

https://newmatilda.com/2017/12/12/expla ... l-matters/
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but **** :doubt:
I have been to Israel, and spent a very short time relieving there back in the day. It is almost impossible to overstate the unrelieved horrors imposed on the Palestinians in an almost casual but carefully calibrated fashion by the Israelis. Sadly, about the only comparison I can make is with the Nazi occupation of Europe without the Final Solution for the Jews.
That is a bit glib, but you get my point.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by The Rickman » December 13, 2017, 9:06 am

Cranky Old Man wrote:
Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:If anyone is interested (it's a bit of a read), here's a really good summary of the Israel/Palestine conflict since Israel's formation in 1947 and what Trump's latest decision actually means.

https://newmatilda.com/2017/12/12/expla ... l-matters/
Geez reading through that the international community has really sat back and let Israel screw Palestine even more than I realized, I knew it was bad but **** :doubt:
I have been to Israel, and spent a very short time relieving there back in the day. It is almost impossible to overstate the unrelieved horrors imposed on the Palestinians in an almost casual but carefully calibrated fashion by the Israelis. Sadly, about the only comparison I can make is with the Nazi occupation of Europe without the Final Solution for the Jews.
That is a bit glib, but you get my point.
It's pretty horrible stuff, and completely illegal by international law and considered that by the entire international community except for the US.

That's why Trump's actions actually legitimise Israel's occupation of East Jerusalem, and have been wholeheartedly condemned by every nation on the planet, as evidenced by this report:

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/is ... gJh_fD_BwE
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Post by Toviii » December 13, 2017, 11:39 am

Bermuda may soon be the first in the world to reverse marriage equality: http://www.mambaonline.com/2017/12/12/b ... -6-months/


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Post by The Rickman » December 13, 2017, 11:48 am

In other news, dubby's about to move to Bermuda.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » December 13, 2017, 4:18 pm

The guys face is almost as funny as Katter

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Post by Notaroboticfish » December 13, 2017, 4:35 pm

Manbush wrote:The guys face is almost as funny as Katter

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Post by gangrenous » December 13, 2017, 4:41 pm

Toviii wrote:Bermuda may soon be the first in the world to reverse marriage equality: http://www.mambaonline.com/2017/12/12/b ... -6-months/


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We already have that title depending on how you define repealing equality...

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Post by Green eyed Mick » December 13, 2017, 5:25 pm

It's amazing what people will let their government's get away with in the name of national security.

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The Nickman wrote:In other news, dubby's about to move to Bermuda.
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Post by Manbush » December 15, 2017, 8:20 am

Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
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Post by Manbush » December 15, 2017, 12:05 pm

The Royal Commission has released its 21 volume report with 400 recommendations, from the small bits I’ve seen they’ve been particularly harsh on the Catholic Church.
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Post by Green eyed Mick » December 15, 2017, 2:56 pm

Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
We're living in a black mirror episode. Best just sit back and enjoy it.

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Post by Question » December 15, 2017, 3:31 pm

So have any of you mad shaggers tied the knot under the new legislation yet?

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Post by -TW- » December 18, 2017, 10:52 pm

Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014

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-TW- wrote:
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014

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The FCC is repealing the Obama era net neutrality laws, Obama tried to protect it from paid prioritisation and throttling of services.

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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » December 19, 2017, 6:56 am

Manbush wrote:Just on the history though I only care about demonstrable history, things that we have evidence for, the Torah and Bible should not come into it unless they can be proven, they’ve been shown to be unreliable.
The Torah especially. Can’t stand her, and Chumpy Pullin for that matter
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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » December 19, 2017, 6:57 am

Manbush wrote:
-TW- wrote:
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014

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The FCC is repealing the Obama era net neutrality laws, Obama tried to protect it from paid prioritisation and throttling of services.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -internet/
Ugh, in other news, the FCC won’t let me be. Or let me be me, so let’s just see
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Post by Northern Raider » December 19, 2017, 11:13 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
Manbush wrote:
-TW- wrote:
Manbush wrote:Another Trump legacy, net neutrality is dead.
That's an Obama legacy, that's been going on since 2014

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The FCC is repealing the Obama era net neutrality laws, Obama tried to protect it from paid prioritisation and throttling of services.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -internet/
Ugh, in other news, the FCC won’t let me be. Or let me be me, so let’s just see
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Post by -TW- » December 19, 2017, 8:58 pm

Read the headline, said who cares, closed the article

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Post by Green eyed Mick » December 20, 2017, 3:16 pm

I read the article. An opinion on someone else's opinion on a topic where people on all sides of the spectrum are struggling for common sense.

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Post by Northern Raider » December 20, 2017, 5:45 pm

I couldn't get pastthe first paragraph

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » December 21, 2017, 11:08 am

Ah America, now threatening countries that don’t vote with them in regards to Israel
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