: But you would agree, and this is part of the discussion we have been having today, that human rights sometimes butt up against each other and it is a matter ultimately of balancing those, one against the other.
: No, you have a human right of freedom of association, you have right of speech; I am not sure I am convinced there is a human right against discrimination, as abhorrent as it is.
: I was not at all intending to suggest personally you had a different view. This is an issue where we have to look at the legislation and look at behaviours that we are legislating for, irrespective of what people say their moral views are.
: I understand, Senator. This comes back to the point that we are here to make around free speech. The principle around free speech is that people have a right to free speech. They do not have a right not to be offended or insulted, as the provisions of the bill currently lay out. This is a fundamental problem with the bill, because there are some things people are inferring or manufacturing into being some sort of human right so you can have one knock out the other. That is not how human rights work. Human rights are indivisible and are given to you basically because of your birth. In this case I am not convinced that there is actually a conflict of human rights, as you outlined.
: Yes, but we have definitely had a discourse that goes further than just talking about free speech in terms of the role of anti-discrimination legislation. Essentially, I have heard that there is a position or a view being put that it is perhaps not legitimate to even be looking at broader aspects of anti-discrimination legislation, leaving aside the free-speech issue.
: No, you have not actually heard that, Senator. What we have made crystal clear is we believe that anti-discrimination laws should operate on government. That is different from what operates within the private sector and within a free society, in the same way that we do not believe that Greenpeace should be forced to hire a particular person who is a big advocate of the coal industry, or that Joy 94.9, a gay and lesbian radio station in Melbourne, should be forced to employ a homophobe, or any other similar situation you can come up with. Discrimination occurs within society. Sometimes it exists for the right reasons, because there are organisational goals that people, when they freely come together and associate, believe in. People should be allowed to reasonably exercise those and they do themselves a disservice if they shoot themselves in the foot and they subtract people from employment because of something that is not relative to the objective of the organisation. I think it is a very fair and reasonable principle.
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Yeah, this guy is a dangerous extremist