The Politics Thread 2015

[Raidersfan]

Also, kudos to some posters above. It's great to know if you have light skin, red/blonde hair that you cant be indigenous.

And FWIW Dubby, what you said wasn't politically incorrect, it was down right ignorant but consistant with your "Fair Go" attitude

Says who ?

[Manbush]

Not allowed to see his dying child because he gave a drug our backwards government doesn't understand. Terminally ill child you'd do whatever it took to try and save them.

http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/queens ... 7176555350

[Manchild]

The charges will probably get dropped like they did with the Victorian couple a little while back.

More and more doctors and specialist are beating the medicinal cannabis drum.

[Manbush]

They should've at least let him continue to see his kid even if it had to be supervised, how **** heart breaking would it be for them both.

[Green eyed Mick]

The charges will probably get dropped like they did with the Victorian couple a little while back.

More and more doctors and specialist are beating the medicinal cannabis drum.

Since when have governments ever listened to experts or considered evidence when developing policies?

[Dr Zaius]

Please present evidence that cannabis is effective in treating Stage IV neuroblastoma. I seriously cannot understand how some people are so incredibly idiotic.

[Manbush]

No idea on that particular cancer mate but I have previously posted many peer reviewed research on it showing promising signs on many forms of cancers plus it can help negate the negative side effects of chemo, will help with appetite, pain, nausea, mood, increasing her quality of life.

If it was your kid wouldn't you try something that looks promising in medical research, has testimonials on top of helping them cope with chemo and increase their mood with SFA negative side effects.

[Dr Zaius]

I'm sorry but in what way does medical research into the use of cannaboids in Stage IV Neurobalstoma look promising? Would you feel the same way if the father was giving the child methotrexate, after all, methotrexate is effective against some cancers?

I don't think you realise how incredibly bad this disease is, how incredibly intense the chemotherapy will be and how incredibly controlled everything that will happen to this child over the next few months will be. But old mate wonders in and doses her up with a known psychotrophic because he read on google it helps with "cancer", like cancer is one disease. I can sympathize with what this bloke is going through, but he is a fool, egged on by other fools such as yourself and charlatans out to make a buck or two.

[Professor]

Ouch

[Manbush]

I'm sorry but in what way does medical research into the use of cannaboids in Stage IV Neurobalstoma look promising? Would you feel the same way if the father was giving the child methotrexate, after all, methotrexate is effective against some cancers?

I don't think you realise how incredibly bad this disease is, how incredibly intense the chemotherapy will be and how incredibly controlled everything that will happen to this child over the next few months will be. But old mate wonders in and doses her up with a known psychotrophic because he read on google it helps with "cancer", like cancer is one disease. I can sympathize with what this bloke is going through, but he is a fool, egged on by other fools such as yourself and charlatans out to make a buck or two.

As I said mate no idea on that particular cancer, as for methotrexate no idea what it is would depend if there were **** all negative side effects and it did not counteract chemo and it helped negate the side effects of it.

Synthetic versions are being used around the world together with chemo to relieve symptons so why not try something that helps you through chemo, looks promising for a variety of cancers and has testimonials on this particular type(cant trust them I know).

[Dr Zaius]

You know nothing about this particular type of cancer, yet feel the need to add your two cents worth. Are you beginning to see how these problems arise?

Do you know who does know something about these cancers? Paediatric oncologists specialising in solid tumours. They are who I'd be placing my child's life in the hands of, not some internet warrior.

Let me give you a little snippet of how things are likely going to pan out for this poor kid. The tumour will be biopsied and from that a Grade will be given. Imaging will be performed and from that a Stage will be given. Based on the staging and grading of that tumour, the child will be placed on a chemotherapy protocol. There are 6 centres in Australia that have a paediatric oncology service and each one of them use the exact same protocols, which are the same protocols as any self respecting paediatric oncology service around the world. Each protocol is a clinical study in itself with response, survival and complication rates all being recorded and each protocol being tailored to medical evidence to get the best possible outcome for that specific grade and stage of tumour. The protocol will be named something like ANB0314, it will be divided up into cycles and then days within the cycles. At any given point in time, it is known exactly where the child is in their chemo cycle e.g. Protocol ANB0314 Cycle 3, Day 17. The protocol dictates when chemo drugs are given, when rescue drugs are given, blood tests are performed, restaging imaging is performed and the timing of surgery and/or radiation therapy. All patients protocols are subject to audit from the lead centre and variance must be justified.

Now old mate had wondered in and added his two cents worth because he had done his research on google, no doubt inspired by reading opinions of people like yourself who know nothing about the cancer or what is involved, but have a hunch that cannaboids are awesome. This child's treating team have absolutely every right to be furious with this clown. Hell I'm furious with him and I don't even know him or the kid.

[Manbush]

So adding something known to help negate the side effects of chemo while not counteracting it is wrong, even if it doesn't help the cancer it will help her through the chemo and bring a smile to her face with SFA side effects.


Cancer Council NSW acknowledges that cannabis may be of medical benefit to cancer patients where conventional treatments are unsuccessful, in the following circumstances:
•in relieving nausea and vomiting in patients undergoing chemotherapy;
•as an adjunctive analgesic in patients with moderate to severe pain; and/or
•as an appetite stimulant for cancer patients experiencing weight loss and muscle wasting

Read more at http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1978/cc ... QeiwOPd.99

[Dr Zaius]

Absolutely giving any medication in such a regulated protocol behind the back of the treating team is absolutely absurd. No rational person would consider it. If you don't know what that protocol contains, how the hell do you know what effect adding something is going to do. If she has side effects or reactions to it, how are they supposed to figure out what is going on? You are also assuming that her side effects aren't reasonably well controlled, i.e. the part of your post "where conventional treatments are unsuccessful" is is redundant. Further, the father stated that he gave it because he believes it cures cancer, not for any of the reasons that you have posted above. Seriously, are you are so invested in this "cannabis is ace" mind set of yours that you can't entertain that what he did is inappropriate? I ask you again, if this father had sneaked this girl any other regulated drug other than cannabis, would you hold the same opinion?

[Professor]

Tap out, Bushy.

Good insight, by the way, Dr Zaius

[Manbush]

As I answered before it would depend on the pros and cons of the drug.

Doc you're as biased against medicinal marijuana as I am for it, every time it gets mentioned you try to shoot it down despite global research. No doubt you are more knowledgable on medicine it's your profession but Australian medicine is behind the world with medicinal marijuana it'd be laughable if it wasn't so **** up.

[Botman]

I'm sorry but in what way does medical research into the use of cannaboids in Stage IV Neurobalstoma look promising? Would you feel the same way if the father was giving the child methotrexate, after all, methotrexate is effective against some cancers?

I don't think you realise how incredibly bad this disease is, how incredibly intense the chemotherapy will be and how incredibly controlled everything that will happen to this child over the next few months will be. But old mate wonders in and doses her up with a known psychotrophic because he read on google it helps with "cancer", like cancer is one disease. I can sympathize with what this bloke is going through, but he is a fool, egged on by other fools such as yourself and charlatans out to make a buck or two.

You know nothing about this particular type of cancer, yet feel the need to add your two cents worth. Are you beginning to see how these problems arise?

Do you know who does know something about these cancers? Paediatric oncologists specialising in solid tumours. They are who I'd be placing my child's life in the hands of, not some internet warrior.

Let me give you a little snippet of how things are likely going to pan out for this poor kid. The tumour will be biopsied and from that a Grade will be given. Imaging will be performed and from that a Stage will be given. Based on the staging and grading of that tumour, the child will be placed on a chemotherapy protocol. There are 6 centres in Australia that have a paediatric oncology service and each one of them use the exact same protocols, which are the same protocols as any self respecting paediatric oncology service around the world. Each protocol is a clinical study in itself with response, survival and complication rates all being recorded and each protocol being tailored to medical evidence to get the best possible outcome for that specific grade and stage of tumour. The protocol will be named something like ANB0314, it will be divided up into cycles and then days within the cycles. At any given point in time, it is known exactly where the child is in their chemo cycle e.g. Protocol ANB0314 Cycle 3, Day 17. The protocol dictates when chemo drugs are given, when rescue drugs are given, blood tests are performed, restaging imaging is performed and the timing of surgery and/or radiation therapy. All patients protocols are subject to audit from the lead centre and variance must be justified.

Now old mate had wondered in and added his two cents worth because he had done his research on google, no doubt inspired by reading opinions of people like yourself who know nothing about the cancer or what is involved, but have a hunch that cannaboids are awesome. This child's treating team have absolutely every right to be furious with this clown. Hell I'm furious with him and I don't even know him or the kid.

Absolutely giving any medication in such a regulated protocol behind the back of the treating team is absolutely absurd. No rational person would consider it. If you don't know what that protocol contains, how the hell do you know what effect adding something is going to do. If she has side effects or reactions to it, how are they supposed to figure out what is going on? You are also assuming that her side effects aren't reasonably well controlled, i.e. the part of your post "where conventional treatments are unsuccessful" is is redundant. Further, the father stated that he gave it because he believes it cures cancer, not for any of the reasons that you have posted above. Seriously, are you are so invested in this "cannabis is ace" mind set of yours that you can't entertain that what he did is inappropriate? I ask you again, if this father had sneaked this girl any other regulated drug other than cannabis, would you hold the same opinion?

[Botman]

As I answered before it would depend on the pros and cons of the drug.

Doc you're as biased against medicinal marijuana as I am for it, every time it gets mentioned you try to shoot it down despite global research. No doubt you are more knowledgable on medicine it's your profession but Australian medicine is behind the world with medicinal marijuana it'd be laughable if it wasn't so **** up.

There is literally no effing way anyone could touch you're level of bias on this matter. You have a healthcare professional telling you real, factual, tangible reasons why this idiot deserves the scorn of the doctors trying to save his childs life and still you're trying to argue based on google research? Do you even realise what a dumb ****, stoner you look like here?

It's situations like this that is why literally no one here takes anything you've got to say seriously.

[Dr Zaius]

As I answered before it would depend on the pros and cons of the drug.

Doc you're as biased against medicinal marijuana as I am for it, every time it gets mentioned you try to shoot it down despite global research. No doubt you are more knowledgable on medicine it's your profession but Australian medicine is behind the world with medicinal marijuana it'd be laughable if it wasn't so **** up.

That is rubbish. I am not against medicinal use of cannabinoids, I'm pro evidence based medicine, particularly in areas such as oncology and epilepsy where the stakes are the child's life. As I've tried to portrait above, every aspect of this child's regimen is heavily scrutinised. Cannabis should be put under the same level of scrutiny as every other medication used in this child's care. That stipulation shouldn't be put aside because people like to get high. That father shouldn't even be giving the child paracetamol without running it by the team first.

[The Nickman]

Tap out, Bushy.

Good insight, by the way, Dr Zaius

Stop, stop, he's already dead

[Manbush]

When it comes to medicinal marijuana the health care professionals in this country are behind the world despite being great in most areas, so yes I will dispute his claims as while not knowing the exact nature of chemo etc Im sure I have read a lot more peer reviewed research papers on medicinal marijuana, even cancer council said it may be beneficial.

Doctors in general in this country are great but not fool proof, thalidomide anyone?

[Manbush]

As I answered before it would depend on the pros and cons of the drug.

Doc you're as biased against medicinal marijuana as I am for it, every time it gets mentioned you try to shoot it down despite global research. No doubt you are more knowledgable on medicine it's your profession but Australian medicine is behind the world with medicinal marijuana it'd be laughable if it wasn't so **** up.

That is rubbish. I am not against medicinal use of cannabinoids, I'm pro evidence based medicine, particularly in areas such as oncology and epilepsy where the stakes are the child's life. As I've tried to portrait above, every aspect of this child's regimen is heavily scrutinised. Cannabis should be put under the same level of scrutiny as every other medication used in this child's care. That stipulation shouldn't be put aside because people like to get high. That father shouldn't even be giving the child paracetamol without running it by the team first.

Cant argue with that doc problem is though it isn't under the same scrutiny in this country.

[Dr Zaius]

Really?

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-government- ... 2bocg.html

Given governments rarely directly sponsor clinical trials, I'd have thought that was quite generous.

[Manbush]

As Ive said behind the times.

[Dr Zaius]

Well I'll be glad to review the well designed randomised controlled trials that you provide that demonstrate unequivocally the efficacy of cannabis in those situations. Then we can agree that that research isn't required and that we are indeed living in the dark ages. In the meantime, I have to go over there.

[Manbush]

Did you read any of the ones I had posted previously?

I'll leave with this on pain killers as Ive got to get ready

Conclusions and Relevance Medical cannabis laws are associated with significantly lower state-level opioid overdose mortality rates. Further investigation is required to determine how medical cannabis laws may interact with policies aimed at preventing opioid analgesic overdose

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article ... id=1898878

Good for pain relief and reduces the OD count by 25%

[Botman]

this is a blood bath.

[Dr Zaius]

That's not a randomised controlled trial. That's a cohort study looking at nothing in particular.

[Dr Zaius]

Or we could go with this.
http://thespudd.com/i-just-know-replace ... e-pyramid/

[Manchild]

Good doctor, with the case of the parents that gave their child cannabis oil to prevent his epilepsy, have you heard much within your profession regarding that case? Was it actually the best course of treatment ?

I am not trying to jump on the give everyone Mary Jane train, I am just curious of that case.

[Dr Zaius]

I haven't heard much about it TBH

[T_R]

That was the most brutal beat-down in GH history.

[Manbush]

That's not a randomised controlled trial. That's a cohort study looking at nothing in particular.

We've done this dance before doc, I've posted many links to genuine research and you've ignored it so why bother again.

The above post was more a subtle dig at the health industry, no dramas prescribing drugs that may lead to death but OMG have to tread extra carefully with a drug that's impossible to OD on, what side effect could be worse than death.

You can side up with the Australian medical association and believe they're not acting slowly (trials should've started many years ago) I'd prefer to trust the places that are already using synthetic or natural forms of THC and cannabinoids medicinally, countries including the US, UK, Canada, Finland, Austria, Israel, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Portugal.

[bileduct]

[gerg]

I'm looking to MB's cornerman to throw in towel but I think he's snuck out the back with one of the ring girls to share a doobie (medicinal of course).

[Botman]