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The Politics Thread 2015

Post by IronRaiden » January 5, 2015, 8:53 am

Don't knock the Green Left Weekly, it's an unbiased, comprehensively reviewed and objective look at today's issues and ranks right up there with The Australian, Crikey and anything Andrew Dolt writes.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by T_R » January 5, 2015, 9:08 am

In 1257 pages of insanely ill-considered commentary, IronRaiden has just come in and dominated the field in a single post.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by The Rickman » January 5, 2015, 9:19 am

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by IronRaiden » January 5, 2015, 9:31 am

Well that's twice as much as you for today.
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Post by The Rickman » January 8, 2015, 2:51 pm

What in the hell is going on in that photo??
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Post by Toviii » January 8, 2015, 2:52 pm

I too would really love to know the context behind the photo.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by PigRickman » January 8, 2015, 3:10 pm

Isn't that photo pretty much self explanatory?
He's got some food on his finger and is eating it... i mean, i dont think we need a crack team of investigators to figure this one out, lads.
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Post by Manbush » January 8, 2015, 3:25 pm

Better eating cake off fingers than Rudds earwax, that image will alway be Rudds defining moment in my eyes.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by The Rickman » January 8, 2015, 3:33 pm

Pigman wrote:Isn't that photo pretty much self explanatory?
He's got some food on his finger and is eating it... i mean, i dont think we need a crack team of investigators to figure this one out, lads.
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Post by Stuat » January 8, 2015, 5:46 pm

The Nickman wrote:
Pigman wrote:Isn't that photo pretty much self explanatory?
He's got some food on his finger and is eating it... i mean, i dont think we need a crack team of investigators to figure this one out, lads.
WHY DOES THE CAKE SAY BOOB?!?
I assume it has something to do with today being the pink day of the Sydney test- ie a breast cancer charity fundraiser.

Also, boobs are great, why shouldn't a cake say boob

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by PigRickman » January 8, 2015, 5:48 pm

The Nickman wrote:
Pigman wrote:Isn't that photo pretty much self explanatory?
He's got some food on his finger and is eating it... i mean, i dont think we need a crack team of investigators to figure this one out, lads.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Schifty » January 8, 2015, 8:06 pm

Nothing to that photo. Simply having a light meal before he went to chase some tail.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bileduct » January 8, 2015, 8:42 pm

Toviii wrote:I too would really love to know the context behind the photo.
He was invited to judge a cake decorating competition at a fund raiser for the McGrath Foundation.

Pretty standard stuff, really.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Toviii » January 8, 2015, 8:49 pm

Thanks. Carry on, Tones
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bileduct » January 8, 2015, 9:10 pm

Toviii wrote:Thanks. Carry on, Tones
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Post by dubby » January 9, 2015, 6:45 pm

Here's an example.

My mates wife enrolled their daughter at a very high quality school. In the enrolment there was a question "do you identify as indigenous ". She ticked "yes" because she thought she had a cousin who was part indigenous. Their daughter was offered a 50%scholarship and my mate never had to prove their claim as indigenous.

It has nothing to do with skin colour, which is what you were angling at before.
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Post by BigPapa » January 10, 2015, 10:18 am

dubby wrote:Here's an example.

My mates wife enrolled their daughter at a very high quality school. In the enrolment there was a question "do you identify as indigenous ". She ticked "yes" because she thought she had a cousin who was part indigenous. Their daughter was offered a 50%scholarship and my mate never had to prove their claim as indigenous.

It has nothing to do with skin colour, which is what you were angling at before.
I know it's an example but what a load of **** how many people do you know that think they might be indigenous?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Seiffert82 » January 11, 2015, 9:49 pm

Remarkable gift to look like a complete ****wit judging a cake decorating competition for charity.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Raidersrawesome » January 11, 2015, 9:56 pm

Just found out there is an election on up here this month.

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Post by Shezza » January 12, 2015, 7:20 am

Wonder if Nickman has been practicing EDIT for his ballot paper again?
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Post by Lucy » January 12, 2015, 7:40 am

It would be an "I heart Erin" now.
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Post by The Rickman » January 12, 2015, 9:12 am

Probably combine the two
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Post by Manbush » January 12, 2015, 11:11 am

So instead of an arrow through the heart it'll be something else.
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Post by GreenSquad Goldcoast » January 12, 2015, 9:07 pm

Deadly EdLee wrote:
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dubby wrote:
GreenSquad Goldcoast wrote:Just notice josh Hoffman is in the indigenous squad! I thought he was a kiwi :? :hmmm
Mate, this will be politically incorrect, but anyone who has looked at an indigenous flag is indigenous.
He's born in Mackay to an indigenous mother and a kiwi father... Really not a hard one to grasp...
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Post by The Phantom » January 13, 2015, 8:44 am

I actually think that was dubbys point. That people will do whatever they can to have what they aren't really entitled to. Not just in footy, but in life. (My first thought in this case was of Nathan Fien and the grannygate scandal.)

Honestly, some of you people act very precious at times, quick to take the moral high ground and assume the worst in a person. I agree it wasn't dubby's smartest ever post, but I never at all thought he was having a go at indigenous Australians.
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Post by The Phantom » January 13, 2015, 8:47 am

Deadly EdLee wrote:
dubby wrote:Here's an example.

My mates wife enrolled their daughter at a very high quality school. In the enrolment there was a question "do you identify as indigenous ". She ticked "yes" because she thought she had a cousin who was part indigenous. Their daughter was offered a 50%scholarship and my mate never had to prove their claim as indigenous.

It has nothing to do with skin colour, which is what you were angling at before.
I know it's an example but what a load of **** how many people do you know that think they might be indigenous?
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
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The Phantom wrote:
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
As an aside to the conversation, I'm not sure HOW you 'prove' race in Australia. I don't have anything in front of me, but I can't recall any documents that my race is listed on and I am quite sure that I don't have anything that my parent's and grandparent's race is listed on.

We actually were asked this question when my kids enrolled for school, and I didn't fill the info in. I'm honestly not sure how to answer it.
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Post by -GD- » January 13, 2015, 9:37 am

The Phantom wrote:
Deadly EdLee wrote:
dubby wrote:Here's an example.

My mates wife enrolled their daughter at a very high quality school. In the enrolment there was a question "do you identify as indigenous ". She ticked "yes" because she thought she had a cousin who was part indigenous. Their daughter was offered a 50%scholarship and my mate never had to prove their claim as indigenous.

It has nothing to do with skin colour, which is what you were angling at before.
I know it's an example but what a load of **** how many people do you know that think they might be indigenous?
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
This is such a ridiculous post.

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Post by Lucy » January 13, 2015, 9:48 am

Well, here I was thinking I was the forums biggest idiot.

There are a couple in here who have surpassed any level I could reach. Well in.
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T_R wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
As an aside to the conversation, I'm not sure HOW you 'prove' race in Australia. I don't have anything in front of me, but I can't recall any documents that my race is listed on and I am quite sure that I don't have anything that my parent's and grandparent's race is listed on.

We actually were asked this question when my kids enrolled for school, and I didn't fill the info in. I'm honestly not sure how to answer it.
Allow me to clarify.

An example was provided where person A identified as Indigenous, even though this person was not Indigenous it seems but had a cousin(?) who they thought was Indigenous?

As a result of this claim, (if I understand the story correctly) they received a 50% scholarship for the education.

Now, no proof was offered. Just tick the box, and hey presto you gain a financial bonus or reward or whatever you want to call it.

I ask you........is that even fair? Or right? Anyone (including those who are not Indigenous) could dishonestly claim that scholarship as person A did.

Should there not be some kind of evidence? Something to make claims legitimate, as to prevent people making fraudulent claims in future?

I am no expert on Indigenous claims and ancestry, but I would hope there is a way you can determine where your people come from. Like most people, we are curious to know our heritage.
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Post by Professor » January 13, 2015, 10:23 am

Requiring proof is ridiculous? But why? In Australia we expect people to substantiate claims for all sorts of things if they're seeking to claim benefits from it.

If there was an arrangement by which those of Polish heritage could seek benefits, shouldn't I be expected, when applying for said benefit, to enclose a copy of Mum's birth certificate? Or is the relevant agency to simply take my word on it?

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-GD- wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Deadly EdLee wrote:
dubby wrote:Here's an example.

My mates wife enrolled their daughter at a very high quality school. In the enrolment there was a question "do you identify as indigenous ". She ticked "yes" because she thought she had a cousin who was part indigenous. Their daughter was offered a 50%scholarship and my mate never had to prove their claim as indigenous.

It has nothing to do with skin colour, which is what you were angling at before.
I know it's an example but what a load of **** how many people do you know that think they might be indigenous?
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
This is such a ridiculous post.
Don't you see that human nature means people will falsify all sorts of claims to gain an advantage? And its the tax payer who ends up paying for it. If you are happy to fund claims to dishonest people, I'm sure I could make the same statement you did; what a ridicules post.
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Re: 2015 NRL All Stars

Post by The Phantom » January 13, 2015, 10:36 am

I guess I answered my own question:

Identifying as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander has nothing to do with percentages or appearance. It is up to you whether you identify as Aboriginal and is about how you feel.

http://aiatsis.gov.au/_files/fhu/1%20FA ... entity.pdf

However, when it comes to written proof or evidence:

Confirmation of Aboriginality is sometimes required to ensure that programs that are intended for Aboriginal people reach Aboriginal people.


That statement sums it up for me. Person A was not Aboriginal. But was accepting a grant/scholarship as someone who is. I am all for helping our Indigenous, please understand that. I do get annoyed at people accepting Aboriginal grants when they aren't, however. I've visited Aboriginal communities and seen how different and challenging they are. Person A frustrates me though. She accepted a grant because (IMO) it saved her money. Not because she was passionate about or interested in our Indigenous people.
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Re: 2015 NRL All Stars

Post by dubby » January 13, 2015, 10:39 am

T_R wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
I'll answer this; none. And if you claim to be of a particular heritage and gain financial benefit from it......shouldn't you be required to offer proof?
As an aside to the conversation, I'm not sure HOW you 'prove' race in Australia. I don't have anything in front of me, but I can't recall any documents that my race is listed on and I am quite sure that I don't have anything that my parent's and grandparent's race is listed on.

We actually were asked this question when my kids enrolled for school, and I didn't fill the info in. I'm honestly not sure how to answer it.
Birth certificates, immigration documents, ask someone who has done a family tree. There are ways.
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