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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by afgtnk » November 1, 2016, 2:52 pm

"George Popowski"

Sounds like an original, indigenous Australian to me.

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Post by Schifty » November 1, 2016, 7:33 pm

Bob Day is gone!

Also if his party is ruled invalid his #2 candidate can't use above the line votes so is no chance of taking his place on countback.

If that seat goes to ALP or Greens, Turnbull needs 2 of Hinch/Lambie/Leyonhjelm to pass any legislation if ALP/Greens block it..

That's also assuming he can get Xenophon team to agree. Technically he needs One Nation, but we've seen this week they are just a sub branch of the Liberal party.. Who knows they might try form coalition with them at next election.

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Post by T_R » November 2, 2016, 12:09 am

You're getting yourself all worked up, Schifty.

Settle down, lad.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » November 2, 2016, 7:13 am

Wonder if Hanson and co will start a fear campaign about the danger from the far right

Victorian extremist Phillip Galea planned to bomb left wing premises police say.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... police-say
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » November 2, 2016, 1:50 pm

Schifty don't get too excited about Day, could mean One Nation gets another seat.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andre ... 7fa003ce77
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Schifty » November 2, 2016, 7:31 pm

Speaking of one nation..

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Post by Schifty » November 4, 2016, 7:56 am

Senator Malcolm Roberts blocked me on twitter :cry:

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Post by -TW- » November 4, 2016, 8:49 am

Surprised he even knows what a computer is

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Post by Manbush » November 4, 2016, 10:13 am

Schifty wrote:Senator Malcolm Roberts blocked me on twitter :cry:
Mate you're either going to have to cancel Twitter or set up a new account, running out of people to troll.
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Post by T_R » November 4, 2016, 6:51 pm

The Federal Court has returned us to sanity over the QUT 18C case.

Surely - SURELY - Triggs now has to resign?

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stor ... -case.html
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Post by Notaroboticfish » November 5, 2016, 6:13 am

Looks like Brexit might not happen anymore

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Post by Sterlk » November 5, 2016, 7:09 pm

Schifty wrote:That's also assuming he can get Xenophon team to agree. Technically he needs One Nation, but we've seen this week they are just a sub branch of the Liberal party.. Who knows they might try form coalition with them at next election.
That last bit isn't happening (though I'm pretty sure you know that and were just being facetious).

While they have their following, becoming one with One Nation (leading up to an election, at least) would not help the Coalition form government. Whether you're Labor or the Liberals, in order to win you have to win over those centrist voters that could end up voting for either party. Bringing One Nation on board formally would be likely to drive those swing voters into the arms of the Labor party.

Plus there's the small matter of One Nation operating in the Senate, they have some influence there but Senate seats don't influence who gets to form government. I personally think the Coalition would be happy with their current relationship with One Nation; ideologically aligned so they're likely to pick up their Senate votes anyway, and without a formal relationship they limit the damage working with One Nation could have in driving swing voters to Labor.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by gangrenous » November 7, 2016, 9:19 pm

Plebiscite scuttled by the senate

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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » November 7, 2016, 10:13 pm

"I would feel discriminated against as a Christian if my sacred religious tradition was changed by politicians," Jacqui Lambie said.

She's got a weird idea on what discrimation is, not hard to imagine her being one of the driving forces behind Tasmania looking at changing their hate speech laws to allow religions to be exempt.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by papabear » November 8, 2016, 8:40 am

How is the Marriage Act a sacred tradition of religion.

Whatever sacred tradition of religion / baptism / death etc a particular religion has, a change to the marriage act does not change that tradition.

I.e. a particular religion could say we get married in a church with candles, white dress and a hymn, with a man and a woman the same way my family has done it since catholocism successfully proselyted middlesborough in the 900-1100 period. Changing the marriage act does not change that. I am sure in all parts of the world where the equivalent marriage act has undergone changes there would be hundreds of thousands of churches that have not changed the religious marriage tradition one iota.

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Post by Wiggy » November 8, 2016, 10:05 am

Manbush wrote:"I would feel discriminated against as a Christian if my sacred religious tradition was changed by politicians," Jacqui Lambie said.
Somebody should mention to Jacqui that nobody is going to force her to get gay married.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Green eyed Mick » November 12, 2016, 4:08 pm

The organisers of the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras have banned Malcolm Turnbull from attending.

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Post by T_R » November 12, 2016, 5:13 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:The organisers of the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras have banned Malcolm Turnbull from attending.
I'd have done the opposite - I'd have asked him to be there, front and centre, cutting ribbons and standing in front of as many people from the gay community as I could.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Green eyed Mick » November 25, 2016, 5:46 pm

Surely this is the last straw for Brandis.

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Post by gangrenous » November 25, 2016, 8:03 pm

T_R wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:The organisers of the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras have banned Malcolm Turnbull from attending.
I'd have done the opposite - I'd have asked him to be there, front and centre, cutting ribbons and standing in front of as many people from the gay community as I could.
Me too.

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Post by Cranky Old Man » November 25, 2016, 9:12 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:Surely this is the last straw for Brandis.
Geez, you would be spewing if you got lumbered with him as your Legal Aid solicitor. Everything he touches turns to absolute edit, but he is convinced of his genius.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Green eyed Mick » November 28, 2016, 9:18 am

The AMA are to the pharmaceutical lobby what the IPA are to the mining and financial sector.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal ... syh5c.html

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal ... sy4nk.html

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Post by Northern Raider » November 28, 2016, 12:37 pm

gangrenous wrote:
T_R wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:The organisers of the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras have banned Malcolm Turnbull from attending.
I'd have done the opposite - I'd have asked him to be there, front and centre, cutting ribbons and standing in front of as many people from the gay community as I could.
Me too.
Nah, hissy fit works better
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by papabear » November 29, 2016, 9:38 am

When was the last time labor / greens voted differently for a different result on a major issue?

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Post by Green eyed Mick » November 29, 2016, 10:36 am

papabear wrote:When was the last time labor / greens voted differently for a different result on a major issue?
Senate voting reform is a recent example.

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Post by papabear » November 29, 2016, 11:12 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:
papabear wrote:When was the last time labor / greens voted differently for a different result on a major issue?
Senate voting reform is a recent example.
8 months ago now, is hardly recent in politics and lets be honest senate voting above / below the line was hardly a major issue.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Green eyed Mick » December 1, 2016, 7:05 am

Barnaby Joyce: "There's no reason at all he couldn't be a cabinet minister. Now that's not imminent. But does he have the ability to run a department? Yes."

This guy?

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Post by T_R » December 1, 2016, 11:37 am

Left wing ideological opprobrium not withstanding.....the man is a fool. He should be let nowhere near a cabinet room.

What is Barnaby up to??
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » December 1, 2016, 2:58 pm

TR that uni thing has taken a new twist

'See you in court': Student rejects Labor MP Terri Butler's apology and vows to continue lawsuit

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... ostedposts
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Post by T_R » December 1, 2016, 6:18 pm

Yep, been following it. Prior is also appealing the judgement.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » December 3, 2016, 11:35 am

Looks like the Liberals are going to go even further to the right :nooo

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/famil ... 202-gt2zvb
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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Green eyed Mick » December 3, 2016, 12:38 pm

The Hard Right think they can achieve what Trump and Farage managed.

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Post by Cranky Old Man » December 6, 2016, 8:01 pm

Manbush wrote:TR that uni thing has taken a new twist

'See you in court': Student rejects Labor MP Terri Butler's apology and vows to continue lawsuit

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... ostedposts
I don't have a link, but apparently the student who made the original complaints has been discovered posting on some extremist racist site. The whole thing did and still does smell like a bit of a set up to me. Will probably know more soon.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2016

Post by Manbush » December 7, 2016, 11:03 am

Victoria looks like becoming the first state to legalise euthanasia :clap:
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