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Well it seems the Saudi embassy in Iran has been smashed up and torched in response to them executing a cleric....

Schifty wrote:Well it seems the Saudi embassy in Iran has been smashed up and torched in response to them executing a cleric....

It wont end there, either

Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those *****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

T_R wrote:

Schifty wrote:Well it seems the Saudi embassy in Iran has been smashed up and torched in response to them executing a cleric....

It wont end there, either

Yeah I'm guessing torching a place which technically foreign soil won't go down so well.

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Gee, that's a dumb comment.

The US executed 30-odd people this year, some of who were minors, some mentally retarded and some convicted by racially biased juries.

'The West' is in NO position to be 'doing something' about Saudi.

How about you get worked up over China (6000 at least in 2015), Japan (execute on dubious confessions and no presumption of innocence), Russia (clear cases of execution on political motives) or any other country with capital punishment?

Your post smacks of racism.

It's really hard for the West to say anything when America is flying drones where 90% of deaths aren't the intended targets.

In short every continent are a pack of ****s except Antarctica.

T_R wrote:

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Gee, that's a dumb comment.

The US executed 30-odd people this year, some of who were minors, some mentally retarded and some convicted by racially biased juries.

'The West' is in NO position to be 'doing something' about Saudi.

How about you get worked up over China (6000 at least in 2015), Japan (execute on dubious confessions and no presumption of innocence), Russia (clear cases of execution on political motives) or any other country with capital punishment?

Your post smacks of racism.

Yeah Manbush, stop being such a T_R

Dr Zaius wrote:

T_R wrote:

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Gee, that's a dumb comment.

The US executed 30-odd people this year, some of who were minors, some mentally retarded and some convicted by racially biased juries.

'The West' is in NO position to be 'doing something' about Saudi.

How about you get worked up over China (6000 at least in 2015), Japan (execute on dubious confessions and no presumption of innocence), Russia (clear cases of execution on political motives) or any other country with capital punishment?

Your post smacks of racism.

Yeah Manbush, stop being such a T_R

Yeah Manbush, stop being such a ....... oh.

Thoughts on the actions and behavior of minority groups in Europe recently?

I have friends in Switzerland. A recent conversation with them was extremely confronting and candid. I bet it won't ever be covered by the liberal media in Australia though. Not from the point of view of various European nations who are suddenly confronted with terrible behavior of people they intended to help.

I'm not blaming or pointing the finger at a specific race or religion, but you all know what I'm talking about.

TR, you travel the globe and are extremely intelligent. I would appreciate your insight on this matter.

T_R wrote:

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Gee, that's a dumb comment.

The US executed 30-odd people this year, some of who were minors, some mentally retarded and some convicted by racially biased juries.

'The West' is in NO position to be 'doing something' about Saudi.

How about you get worked up over China (6000 at least in 2015), Japan (execute on dubious confessions and no presumption of innocence), Russia (clear cases of execution on political motives) or any other country with capital punishment?

Your post smacks of racism.

And I'll be against Americas executions, China's and Japan's (which I've been critical of their judicial system previously only for you to defend them).

Wouldn't say it's racist to be against a government (not the citizens) whose death penalty can apply for blasphemy, apostasy and witchcraft.

I spend about three weeks each year in Switzerland, mostly in Zurich and Montreux.

The Swiss are quite insular - the building of minarets there (now banned) was a huge issue, for example. People who are very liberal on other issues are quite resistant on immigration and cultural matters.

Zurich is 25% foreign born now, and while its still a lovely city, it has definitely seen a change of character (but certainly not back to the early 90s, when the Swiss population turned it into a complete heroin dive).

Geneva looks like an african city, as freeloaders from the third world cruise around in mercedes on United Nations junkets.

Outside those two cities, you could live your life in Switzerland and never meet anyone not called Hans or Kurt.

The Swiss get worked up on immigration issues, but the impact there is massively less than in, say, France or Germany.

There may be terrible behaviour going on, but it's certainly not that noticeable or widespread. Compared to Paris or Brussels, I'd say there's next to nothing.

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Manbush wrote: On drug traffickers, it's a crap law but they knew what they were doing, don't do the crime if not prepared to do the time. Just because they're from Australia I don't have any more sympathy for them than if they were from any other country, my sympathy is with their families and friends.

How is what the Saudi's did any different to what the Indonesians did?

Manbush wrote:

T_R wrote:

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Gee, that's a dumb comment.

The US executed 30-odd people this year, some of who were minors, some mentally retarded and some convicted by racially biased juries.

'The West' is in NO position to be 'doing something' about Saudi.

How about you get worked up over China (6000 at least in 2015), Japan (execute on dubious confessions and no presumption of innocence), Russia (clear cases of execution on political motives) or any other country with capital punishment?

Your post smacks of racism.

And I'll be against Americas executions, China's and Japan's (which I've been critical of their judicial system previously only for you to defend them).

Wouldn't say it's racist to be against a government (not the citizens) whose death penalty can apply for blasphemy, apostasy and witchcraft.

These people were executed for terrorism offenses.

Yeah would love to know what the exact details were since atheism is classified as terrorism there, not skeptical or do have faith in their transparency and enacting laws?

Green eyed Mick wrote:

Manbush wrote:Was just about to post about Saudi, they started 2016 by executing 47 people, seriously the west really needs to find a way to stop dealing with those ****, when is enough enough.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... stice.html

Manbush wrote: On drug traffickers, it's a crap law but they knew what they were doing, don't do the crime if not prepared to do the time. Just because they're from Australia I don't have any more sympathy for them than if they were from any other country, my sympathy is with their families and friends.

How is what the Saudi's did any different to what the Indonesians did?

Are we really going to compare drug smuggling to what gets a death penalty in Saudi?

Manbush wrote:Yeah would love to know what the exact details were since atheism is classified as terrorism there, not skeptical or do have faith in their transparency and enacting laws?

Where did you see that? ?

Article 1 of the “terrorism” law prohibits “Calling for atheist thought in any form


http://iheu.org/saudi-arabias-new-law-d ... overnment/

That's completely different to being an atheist.

Didn't exactly say being "atheist", may the Flying Spaghetti Monster help you if you admit to being one in public or discuss it though, "calling for atheistic thought" is a very lose guideline and one I definitely wouldn't trust their government with. I would definitely be classified as a terrorist.

Some absolute pigs in the LNP it would seem.

Toviii wrote:Some absolute pigs in the LNP it would seem.

It says a lot when they art outraged that behavioral standards are "too high".

Briggs is a total pig, starts sending around photos of the employee after she made the complaint.

Then there's old mate Dutton..

Peter Dutton SMS's Briggs calling @samanthamaiden 'mad f..king witch', sends it to Sam, not Briggs

https://twitter.com/FarrarStacy/status/ ... 2282420224

I've often wondered if Peter Dutton qualifies for special needs assistance under the NDIS.

Seiffert82 wrote:I've often wondered if Peter Dutton qualifies for special needs assistance under the NDIS.

Nah. He's just your garden variety prick

Manbush wrote:Didn't exactly say being "atheist", may the Flying Spaghetti Monster help you if you admit to being one in public or discuss it though, "calling for atheistic thought" is a very lose guideline and one I definitely wouldn't trust their government with. I would definitely be classified as a terrorist.

I wrote 'none' in the religion column on my visa application and can report that no one executed me.

Dare you to speak about it to someone

Being a white wealthy business man you'd probably be ok, at least with witchcraft it seems to be poor immigrant workers that get done for it.

T_R wrote:

Schifty wrote:Well it seems the Saudi embassy in Iran has been smashed up and torched in response to them executing a cleric....

It wont end there, either

Saudi has just cut all diplomatic ties with Iran and told their diplomats they must be out within 48hrs

https://news.vice.com/article/saudi-ara ... vicenewsfb

Manbush wrote:Dare you to speak about it to someone

Being a white wealthy business man you'd probably be ok, at least with witchcraft it seems to be poor immigrant workers that get done for it.

You have literally no idea about Saudi Arabia. This conversation is embarrassing to me.

Fair enough mate, just glad you're not defending a government that considers talking atheism terrorism, blasphemy and apostasy are worthy of the death penalty and use witchcraft as an excuse to execute, the government belongs in the dark ages. My sympathy is with their citizens but the government is evil oh but look there's another fat chick over there wonder if they'll pay me to.

Things are far from rosy in the KSA, but it is nothing like you imagine.

For the record, Saudis in Australia feel that the government here is oppressive.

Ok I'll bite, I can see Australians considering our laws oppressive in some regards but what elements do Saudis consider oppressive compared to their home?

As for not what I imagine, they've got an anti witchcraft unit ****

Manbush wrote:Ok I'll bite, I can see Australians considering our laws oppressive in some regards but what elements do Saudis consider oppressive compared to their home?

well for one, we dont allow them to execute for witchcraft or enforce sharia law...

We're very, very regulated in Australia...lots of people come here and find it a nanny state.

Saudis particularly find things like speed cameras shocking. That level of government surveillance is completely contrary to their experience.

simo wrote:

Manbush wrote:Ok I'll bite, I can see Australians considering our laws oppressive in some regards but what elements do Saudis consider oppressive compared to their home?

well for one, we dont allow them to execute for witchcraft or enforce sharia law...

And can people please, please take five minutes to learn what Sharia actually is? ?

Legal system based on islam? Its pretty broad so it encompasses a lot of aspects? Do i need to name them all or can i just get my pass mark and have you accept that some saudis probably do wish our government allowed them to enforce it?

There is virtually no permanent Saudi population in Australia, so I doubt they give a toss one way or another what our government does. Every Saudi I've ever met in Australia would rather chew of their own legs than see Sharia law here. Your comment makes you appear ignorant.

And you don't get a pass mark, no. The legal aspects of Sharia are a tiny part of the whole, despite the fact that it's all we ever hear about. I assume that you don't have an issue with people being expected to wash their hands after taking a ****? Or being nice to their mothers?