The Politics Thread 2016

[Manbush]

They are as inevitable as the sun rising which is why I'm not a fan of massive bailouts that leave you nothing for when the next one hits, unless you can make up the cash in between.

[The Nickman]

I thought things were looking up??

[T_R]

So the CFMEU has been outed as the largest single donor to The Greens - About $300k, I believe.

The same Greens who worked to block the legislation seeking to curb Union corruption in the Senate.

It's not so much that The Greens can be bought, it's just how cheap it is to do so.

[The Nickman]

Wow, they just don't stand for anything anymore, do they??

[Green eyed Mick]

We should stop unions donating to political parties. It corrupts union officials and it corrupts politicians. We also have to stop businesses, churches and other self-interested rent seekers donating to political parties for the exact same reason.

[T_R]

I posted the thing above in the hope of very slightly annoying GEM (it's what gets me up in the morning), but in all seriousness I'm pretty taken aback by it.

What gets me is just how cheap it is to buy an outcome. The Greens attempt to claim to fill some kind of moral space in the Australian political scene, but have sided with the most corrupt, thuggish union to block sensible and reasonable reforms....for $300k.

That's really quite stunning.

And I 100% assure you it's not just the Greens that are for sale.

[Manbush]

Doubt any person or organisation doesn't have a price, just some are cheaper than others. Greens have become just an extension of Labor so isn't really surprising the unions have them in their pocket.

[Manbush]

Having a nice argument with some one nation candidate on Facebook, she posted the article about Pakistan not banning child brides as its anti islam and the bigots are out in force, she refuses to acknowledge Christian terrorists exist, that some Christians take child brides, that there are good secular Muslims. Trying to point out to her that both the apologist left and hateful right do more damage than good and there needs to be a middle ground, she just can't see it

[Schifty]

Anyone else seen this incredible speech?

[Shadow Boxer]

Stan grant is a frigging legend, his book is one of the most thought provoking and moving things you will ever read.

[The Nickman]

Anyone else seen this incredible speech?

Yeah, blew me away.

Can't wait for the likes of Manbush to come in here though and say it doesn't affect him because he treats everybody equally.

[gerg]

Very sobering. I blocked a few people on facebook during the Adam Goodes booing. I still cannot believe that anybody could justify it.

[The Nickman]

Very sobering. I blocked a few people on facebook during the Adam Goodes booing. I still cannot believe that anybody could justify it.

It's similar to the Chris Gayle incident Gerg, the only people you really see trying to justify either incident are white, generally middle-aged, males.

Or, to put it another way...

[Dr Zaius]

Holy **** what a **** powerful speech.

[The Nickman]

Holy **** what a **** powerful speech.

Yeah, absolutely amazing, isn't it?

[Schifty]

Very sobering. I blocked a few people on facebook during the Adam Goodes booing. I still cannot believe that anybody could justify it.

It's similar to the Chris Gayle incident Gerg, the only people you really see trying to justify either incident are white, generally middle-aged, males.

Only thing was a few days later when Mel got Mark Waugh's name wrong, apologised and said "I'll buy you a drink" and people started jumping on with the worst false equivalencies ever.

[Botman]

Hahah! Yeah people claiming those two circumstances were the same was the best!

It was like a test to find out who didn't even remotely understand the issues at hand:

[Dr Zaius]

Holy **** what a **** powerful speech.

Yeah, absolutely amazing, isn't it?

Yeah, it was alright I guess

[The Nickman]

Hahah! Yeah people claiming those two circumstances were the same was the best!

It was like a test to find out who didn't even remotely understand the issues at hand:

Hahaha it really was.

[-TW-]

Tony Abbott recontesting Warringah.. Hope he gets towelled, but unfortunately it's a safe liberal seat

[Schifty]

He's so going to call a spill out of spite 6 weeks from the election when Turnbull is still 109 points ahead of Shorten.

[Manbush]

Yeah, blew me away.

Can't wait for the likes of Manbush to come in here though and say it doesn't affect him because he treats everybody equally.

Yep was a good speech but **** regressive lefts like yourself are painful, looking for racism and bigotry in everything, using those words to try to shut down any debate even when others are trying to defend the minorities within minorities.

[Manbush]

Very sobering. I blocked a few people on facebook during the Adam Goodes booing. I still cannot believe that anybody could justify it.

It's similar to the Chris Gayle incident Gerg, the only people you really see trying to justify either incident are white, generally middle-aged, males.

Or, to put it another way...

The flaw in that cartoon is sometimes all people including those within minorities deserve criticism and the only way to achieve anything is to have an open discussion not to be too afraid to speak for fear of idiots falsely accusing others of racism and bigotry to shut down legitimate debate. The regressive left are as big a problem as the extreme right, humanity needs to find the middle ground.

[simo]

Today you are branded a racist or sexist for not being offended on someone elses behalf evwn if they are not offended

[The Nickman]

Today you are branded a racist or sexist for not being offended on someone elses behalf evwn if they are not offended

Absolute rubbish. I don't know a single instance of someone being branded a racist for not being offended.

In my personal experience, people are branded a racist or sexist, y'know, when they're being racist or sexist.

[The Nickman]

Yeah, blew me away.

Can't wait for the likes of Manbush to come in here though and say it doesn't affect him because he treats everybody equally.

Yep was a good speech but **** regressive lefts like yourself are painful, looking for racism and bigotry in everything, using those words to try to shut down any debate even when others are trying to defend the minorities within minorities.

Right on cue. Nice one, bud.

Tell me once again how tough it is being a white, middle-aged man in today's society.

[simo]

Today you are branded a racist or sexist for not being offended on someone elses behalf evwn if they are not offended

Absolute rubbish. I don't know a single instance of someone being branded a racist for not being offended.

In my personal experience, people are branded a racist or sexist, y'know, when they're being racist or sexist.

did you sleep through the adam goodes saga? Bloke managed to have all rival fans branded racist for doing the norm and booing a rival player they didn't look like. Yeah im sure some people booed him for racial reasons, but the vast majority booed him because he played for an opposition side and they wanted him off his game.

[Manbush]

Yeah, blew me away.

Can't wait for the likes of Manbush to come in here though and say it doesn't affect him because he treats everybody equally.

Yep was a good speech but **** regressive lefts like yourself are painful, looking for racism and bigotry in everything, using those words to try to shut down any debate even when others are trying to defend the minorities within minorities.

Right on cue. Nice one, bud.

Tell me once again how tough it is being a white, middle-aged man in today's society.

Isn't that in itself being racist, what a white middle aged man has no right to speak up? I've never said it's tough being in my demographic but I sure as hell won't pander to the regressive left and keep my mouth shut, if something deserves criticism it deserves criticism regardless of race, gender or anything else.

Hey I'm an atheist which is a minority (arguably the most persecuted globally), not allowed to criticise me mate, that would be bigotry

[Schifty]

Atheist a minority?

In Canberra no religion was the biggest religious group in Australia. I'd say when you broke it down especially to over 18 year olds it would be close to that nationally.

As for Adam Goodes, when there is a large group of people who are there to boo him for purely racist reasons and you were there to boo him purely for how he plays wouldn't you be thinking "I don't want to be mistaken for one of those racist clowns so I might just sit this one out"

But yeah I'm sure the fact the booing of Goodes rising exponentially after he was Australian of the year and make any sort of a stand against racism was entirely coincidental...

[dubby]

No religion also includes agnostics

[Green eyed Mick]

This is a such a curly issue and there are legit questions to be asked.

Can we still boo Greg Bird and if so why?

[dubby]

Yeah, blew me away.

Can't wait for the likes of Manbush to come in here though and say it doesn't affect him because he treats everybody equally.

Yep was a good speech but **** regressive lefts like yourself are painful, looking for racism and bigotry in everything, using those words to try to shut down any debate even when others are trying to defend the minorities within minorities.

Right on cue. Nice one, bud.

Tell me once again how tough it is being a white, middle-aged man in today's society.

Weird assumption from a middle class white male

Dude, everyone has a go at this genre. Everyone. It's pretty cool in the modern era, and convenient.

[Manbush]

Atheist a minority?

In Australia according to the census about 23% which makes it a minority, then go globally.

[Green eyed Mick]

With good reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPVG4vgPWAc

[simo]

So because a minority of booers did it for racial reasons, all booers are labeled racist? Are all muslims terrorists because they go to mosques? Should they stop going to mosques because some that go there may be involved in something they arent a part of?