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Re: 2016 US Elections

Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 10:59 am

Raidersfan wrote:
T_R wrote:
Raidersfan wrote:
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T_R wrote:The stock market was just winding back from its position. A Clinton win was largely costed in. I dont see what's so surprising.
What is remarkable that the markets are reacting negatively to a Republican win. The markets generally prefer a Republican win in the USA, but I think it says a lot, that the markets see this as a negative.
Correct ... as usual it is a knee jerk reaction ... markets atm will amplify any "negative" news .. a lot of that is due to automated trading but at the end of the day it amounts to an over-reaction.
It's a perfectly rational winding back of an exposure.
Dow Jones futures was down near 1000 points, traded during the day above 300 point and finishes the days trading closing near record highs up near 260 points.

Not sure what reverse knee jerk reaction will happen on the ASX today.

Note to self ... never take perfectly rational advice from this guy

As has been the case in the past 5 years investors in stock markets are a gold mine for brokers.
Yes, I guess from a very simplistic point of view you could see it that way.

Look at what was bought and what was sold. Take just a moment to educate yourself and this makes perfect sense.

Not really sure what you're trying to take from a weighted average of selected stocks, other than broad trends.
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Post by Question » November 10, 2016, 11:07 am

T_R wrote:Also, has anyone heard from Schifty? I assume he's in Guantanamo?
:lol: :lol: That is all.

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Post by PigRickman » November 10, 2016, 11:07 am

T_R wrote:Also, has anyone heard from Schifty? I assume he's in Guantanamo?
I've got a missed call from him this morning
Message bank was something about his one phone call, send help or something
I was busy though so wasn't paying attention

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Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 11:09 am

I expect him to live tweet his dying screams.
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Post by Sid » November 10, 2016, 11:10 am

T_R wrote:Also, has anyone heard from Schifty? I assume he's in Guantanamo?
Yeah, I've heard he's gone waterboarding in Guantanamo Bay. I'm not entirely sure what or where that is, but it sounds like a lovely holiday.
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Hes building a bom shelter with a few of his insubordinates.

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Post by Question » November 10, 2016, 11:14 am

T_R wrote:I expect him to live tweet his dying screams.
Stop it.... :roflmao

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Post by Raidersfan » November 10, 2016, 11:46 am

T_R wrote:
Raidersfan wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
T_R wrote:The stock market was just winding back from its position. A Clinton win was largely costed in. I dont see what's so surprising.
What is remarkable that the markets are reacting negatively to a Republican win. The markets generally prefer a Republican win in the USA, but I think it says a lot, that the markets see this as a negative.
Correct ... as usual it is a knee jerk reaction ... markets atm will amplify any "negative" news .. a lot of that is due to automated trading but at the end of the day it amounts to an over-reaction.
It's a perfectly rational winding back of an exposure.
T_R wrote:The stock market was just winding back from its position. A Clinton win was largely costed in. I dont see what's so surprising.
bahahahahaha .. arh you just make it too easy
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Re: 2016 US Elections

Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 11:55 am

Im not sure if you have the capacity to understand this, but yesterday there was a broad repositioning of stock investments. It almost precisely mirrored the currency shock days in the early stages of the GFC.

I honestly do not understand what you are struggling with.
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Post by simo » November 10, 2016, 1:58 pm

Trump now responsible for the kkk
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Post by greeneyed » November 10, 2016, 2:04 pm

It what happens when you say bullying and bigotry is OK. Trump leads by example.
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Post by Raidersfan » November 10, 2016, 2:07 pm

T_R wrote:Im not sure if you have the capacity to understand this, but yesterday there was a broad repositioning of stock investments. It almost precisely mirrored the currency shock days in the early stages of the GFC.

I honestly do not understand what you are struggling with.
Quite frankly you are not understanding your original err err "perfectly rational winding back of an exposure".. well it looks like less than 24 hours later that "winding back" and "exposure" was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction.
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Post by PigRickman » November 10, 2016, 2:12 pm

simo wrote:Trump now responsible for the kkk
No, but they endorsed him and he accepted that endorsement.
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Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 2:18 pm

Raidersfan wrote:
T_R wrote:Im not sure if you have the capacity to understand this, but yesterday there was a broad repositioning of stock investments. It almost precisely mirrored the currency shock days in the early stages of the GFC.

I honestly do not understand what you are struggling with.
Quite frankly you are not understanding your original err err "perfectly rational winding back of an exposure".. well it looks like less than 24 hours later that "winding back" and "exposure" was nothing more than a knee jerk reaction.
Ok. Last try.

It wasn't knee jerk, it was a repositioning of exposure. For example, mining stocks are rolling now on suggestions of increased infrastructure spending, while trade exposed Latin American funds have taken a kicking.

If that's over your head, look at gold price movements during the day as a proxy to defensives. Gold mining stock movements will show you even more.

It's pretty basic stuff.
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Post by simo » November 10, 2016, 2:22 pm

Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:Trump now responsible for the kkk
No, but they endorsed him and he accepted that endorsement.
he did no such thing.
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Post by Seiffert82 » November 10, 2016, 2:38 pm

Not bad for a bloke who put his hat in the ring for the single purpose of increasing his media exposure. :lol:

It's absolutely insane that a person who actually couldn't give a **** about becoming the President, and did everything humanly possible to actually avoid getting elected by rational people, actually ended up as the boss of the western universe.

This is the sort of crazy stuff that only happens on the Simpsons. It's going to be a very interesting 4 years.

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Post by PigRickman » November 10, 2016, 3:00 pm

simo wrote:
Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:Trump now responsible for the kkk
No, but they endorsed him and he accepted that endorsement.
he did no such thing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/28/polit ... remacists/

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Post by Green eyed Mick » November 10, 2016, 3:02 pm

greeneyed wrote:It what happens when you say bullying and bigotry is OK. Trump leads by example.
True. Look at the rise of xenophobia and racism in Australia as a result of our government's bullying of asylum seekers. If the government believes it's ok to lock up and abuse children, it's not surprising that some Australians go around ripping the hijabs from the heads of 10 year old girls and telling them to '**** off back to where they came from'

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Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 3:20 pm

I thought it was remarkable with the initial rise of Hanson that it was suddenly became acceptable to randomly tell Asian people to **** off. It happened semi-regularly, and not just in my own home like usual.

Dont doubt that there are people out there who are validated by those who 'lead' us.
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Post by simo » November 10, 2016, 3:23 pm

Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:
Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:Trump now responsible for the kkk
No, but they endorsed him and he accepted that endorsement.
he did no such thing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/28/polit ... remacists/

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Might want to go to the bunker http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... klux-klan/
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Post by simo » November 10, 2016, 3:31 pm

It even says it in your article.
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Post by Manbush » November 10, 2016, 4:19 pm

Just saw a theory being shared that the GOP didn't want Trump so they plan on frustrating him till he resigns so they can have Pence in charge who they wanted all along. Kinda makes sense if you ignore how pig headed Trump is.
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Post by greeneyed » November 10, 2016, 4:23 pm

I did like this tweet...

BREAKING - CANADA STARTS BUILDING WALL

#PresidentTrump

Trump removes plan to ban Muslims from USA from website: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08466.html

What? Is he not going to do what he said?
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Post by PigRickman » November 10, 2016, 4:30 pm

simo wrote:
Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:
Pigman wrote:
simo wrote:Trump now responsible for the kkk
No, but they endorsed him and he accepted that endorsement.
he did no such thing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/28/polit ... remacists/

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Might want to go to the bunker http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... klux-klan/
He refused to disavow him multiple times, and only in the wake of heavy criticism did he decide to reject the endorsement
Call me crazy but I'd like the most powerful man on earth to be the type who doesn't need a tsunami of criticism to hit before he disavows the **** KKK

But you obviously have lower standards for elected officials than I do
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Post by -TW- » November 10, 2016, 4:42 pm

Manbush wrote:Just saw a theory being shared that the GOP didn't want Trump so they plan on frustrating him till he resigns so they can have Pence in charge who they wanted all along. Kinda makes sense if you ignore how pig headed Trump is.
He won't resign.. it will just be a massive stalemate and he will do what he can by executive order

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Post by T_R » November 10, 2016, 4:43 pm

The GOP will give him whatever he wants
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Post by Manbush » November 10, 2016, 4:47 pm

greeneyed wrote:I did like this tweet...

BREAKING - CANADA STARTS BUILDING WALL

#PresidentTrump

Trump removes plan to ban Muslims from USA from website: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08466.html

What? Is he not going to do what he said?
**** and I'd just put all my money into Mexican ladder shares :rant
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Post by simo » November 10, 2016, 4:49 pm

you are obviously far more likely to jump on board any media exaggerations that twist something to suit you. Tsunami of criticism indeed
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Post by papabear » November 10, 2016, 4:57 pm

The more people get their knickers in a knot the more imo irrational the criticism becomes.

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Post by -TW- » November 10, 2016, 5:08 pm

Dunno if this has been covered, turnout just over 50%

I'm sure a lot of the wailing is coming from those who didn't vote

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This is the guy I mentioned yesterday.
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Post by greeneyed » November 10, 2016, 5:17 pm

Thousands Across the US Protest Donald Trump's Presidential Victory: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousand ... d=43427653
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Post by greeneyed » November 10, 2016, 5:18 pm

-TW- wrote:Dunno if this has been covered, turnout just over 50%

I'm sure a lot of the wailing is coming from those who didn't vote
Given you've got to queue up for three hours to vote, on a work day, it's no wonder they don't get a big turnout.
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Post by Sterlk » November 10, 2016, 5:18 pm

-TW- wrote:Dunno if this has been covered, turnout just over 50%

I'm sure a lot of the wailing is coming from those who didn't vote
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