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X2simo wrote:Broncs just lost the gf. See. There is a god. And thats the end of that chapter
Ad infinitumHello123 wrote:X2simo wrote:Broncs just lost the gf. See. There is a god. And thats the end of that chapter
He didn't just punish evil though, he committed genocide against all humanity, instructed Moses to slaughter infants and non virgins and keep the virgins for themselves, not sure about you but babies are not sinful and shouldn't be held accountable for others crimes.Seiffert82 wrote:Gangrenous, I don't expect you to agree with something you don't want to understand. What you consider to be an 'evil' God in the Old Testament is actually God punishing evil (in quite brutal ways). That is the just and jealous bit. Christians don't worship a namby pamby God. However, the New Testament changes the whole paradigm with our relationship with God and one another, based on love and forgiveness.gangrenous wrote:Not really.Seiffert82 wrote: Yes, yes he did...and all of what I said is relevant to that point.
You respond with:
* God is just and jealous - That's wonderful, doesn't explain or justify God being evil
* Not everything has to be happy happy joy joy - Perhaps not, but it doesn't justify God actively advocating evil behaviour.
* Christians have done some wonderful stuff - Well it's highly debatable that that should be tied to God. Even if we do assume that God did do that, it's really lovely that whilst keeping slaves and condemning the gays during the week he finds time to help out in soup kitchens on the weekends.
* Not everyone can be right - Completely irrelevant.
* Everyone can believe what they want - Completely irrelevant.
Perhaps I was too harsh saying your post was irrelevant. There were bits that had some tangential relevance, but I can't see any argument of any significance there to defend why "God's word" would ever contain such garbage in it.
You can try to disconnect the good works of Christians from God all you want if it makes you feel happy. To be perfectly honest we've been through all this before. It's a bit tedious and I'm about to go on holidays for a week, so lets just agree to disagree and not go though it all again.
The best evidence of a god I've ever seensimo wrote:Broncs just lost the gf. See. There is a god. And thats the end of that chapter
Sounds good manbush...looks like you've got it all sorted. I'm surprised God hasn't given you a call for advice on how to fix the problems mankind has created for itself.Manbush wrote:He didn't just punish evil though, he committed genocide against all humanity, instructed Moses to slaughter infants and non virgins and keep the virgins for themselves, not sure about you but babies are not sinful and shouldn't be held accountable for others crimes.Seiffert82 wrote:Gangrenous, I don't expect you to agree with something you don't want to understand. What you consider to be an 'evil' God in the Old Testament is actually God punishing evil (in quite brutal ways). That is the just and jealous bit. Christians don't worship a namby pamby God. However, the New Testament changes the whole paradigm with our relationship with God and one another, based on love and forgiveness.gangrenous wrote:Not really.Seiffert82 wrote: Yes, yes he did...and all of what I said is relevant to that point.
You respond with:
* God is just and jealous - That's wonderful, doesn't explain or justify God being evil
* Not everything has to be happy happy joy joy - Perhaps not, but it doesn't justify God actively advocating evil behaviour.
* Christians have done some wonderful stuff - Well it's highly debatable that that should be tied to God. Even if we do assume that God did do that, it's really lovely that whilst keeping slaves and condemning the gays during the week he finds time to help out in soup kitchens on the weekends.
* Not everyone can be right - Completely irrelevant.
* Everyone can believe what they want - Completely irrelevant.
Perhaps I was too harsh saying your post was irrelevant. There were bits that had some tangential relevance, but I can't see any argument of any significance there to defend why "God's word" would ever contain such garbage in it.
You can try to disconnect the good works of Christians from God all you want if it makes you feel happy. To be perfectly honest we've been through all this before. It's a bit tedious and I'm about to go on holidays for a week, so lets just agree to disagree and not go though it all again.
Even the New Testament and the rewriting of his laws was twisted and evil, he's meant to be all knowing and wise, creates the laws of the universe yet the only way he could think to forgive humanity of their sins (not actually theirs but some ancient ancestors) was a human sacrifice, seriously that was his best idea how about just saying I won't hold you accountable for the sins of your ancient ancestors.
The way people justify things to control cognitive dissonance always amazes me.
I disagree. GE nailed it.dubby wrote:Geez that's glib.greeneyed wrote:Tolerance is not saying: "What those people are doing is not right, but I'll 'tolerate' them. And they don't deserve the same rights I have, because what they do is 'not right'. And, oh, some of my best friends are *add what you like*, but of course we love them." If people are not harming others... let them be, and don't judge them.
See and for mine that's a problem, the here and now exists we can prove that, where as there is no evidence for what you consider is ultimately important so shouldn't we consider what is a provable fact to be ultimately more important.Seiffert82 wrote:
The problem is you're focusing on the here and now, not what is ultimately important.
Nope it's glib and trite. How many times do we have to say this.Toviii wrote:I disagree. GE nailed it.dubby wrote:Geez that's glib.greeneyed wrote:Tolerance is not saying: "What those people are doing is not right, but I'll 'tolerate' them. And they don't deserve the same rights I have, because what they do is 'not right'. And, oh, some of my best friends are *add what you like*, but of course we love them." If people are not harming others... let them be, and don't judge them.
Have you experienced this, or read about it?greeneyed wrote:Glib or trite, too bad. There's good things and bad things involved in religion. One of the bad things is cover for prejudice and hate for those who are different and don't conform to their "doctrine". And they have no right to judge, and deny others their basic human rights, when those people do no harm to others.
That's not religion mate. That's a brain washed youth exploited by a terrorist cell.Shadow Boxer wrote:Are you serious ?
How about a 15 year old boy shooting an innocent IT worker in the back of the head or someone blowing up an abortion clinic.
How about standing outside a funeral with a god hates **** sign.
There are so many examples you would need to document the history of the world to capture them all.
In a GH life that has been largely a mass of ****, you have excelled yourself this time MB with what is the biggest pile of **** you have ever managed.Manbush wrote:
"Problem of Casual Theistic Beliefs
Casual theists (such as liberal Christians) contribute indirectly to many of the atrocities above. Even though most theists aren't responsible for such atrocities, their presence helps to establish an environment sympathetic to religiously motivated actions likely to cause harm. Just as a damp basement is an environment more conducive to mold growth than a dry basement, a society infused with casual theistic belief is an environment more conducive to dangerous theistic actions than a society without religious beliefs."
He basically murderers Mexican children.Pigman wrote:Or to hit closer to his core his support of prostitution helps foster an environment which creates sex slavery
Basically manbush is an advocate of slavery and rape. What a **** piece
Where to even begin with his advocacy of the drug trade
Not where prostitution is legal and regulated, when it's illegal I would totally agree.Pigman wrote:Or to hit closer to his core his support of prostitution helps foster an environment which creates sex slavery
Basically manbush is a contributor of slavery and rape. What a **** piece
Where to even begin with his contribution of the illegal drug trade and all that goes a long with that
Listen, I don't think a slaver and rapist is in a position to judge religion, that's allManbush wrote:Not where prostitution is legal and regulated, when it's illegal I would totally agree.Pigman wrote:Or to hit closer to his core his support of prostitution helps foster an environment which creates sex slavery
Basically manbush is a contributor of slavery and rape. What a **** piece
Where to even begin with his contribution of the illegal drug trade and all that goes a long with that
Drugs yes can't disagree, but once legal and regulated that would be another issue.
TRs rape claim, men who don't stand against rape (just like religions who don't stand against discrimination, oppression etc) do contribute.
Careful Pigman....he's killed before.Pigman wrote:Listen, I don't think a slaver and rapist is in a position to judge religion, that's allManbush wrote:Not where prostitution is legal and regulated, when it's illegal I would totally agree.Pigman wrote:Or to hit closer to his core his support of prostitution helps foster an environment which creates sex slavery
Basically manbush is a contributor of slavery and rape. What a **** piece
Where to even begin with his contribution of the illegal drug trade and all that goes a long with that
Drugs yes can't disagree, but once legal and regulated that would be another issue.
TRs rape claim, men who don't stand against rape (just like religions who don't stand against discrimination, oppression etc) do contribute.
I would like to see a definition of the term casual theist.Manbush wrote:Religious group standing out front of women's health clinic everyday harassing women and their children who are trying to enter.
You can push any blame onto individuals but the below passage puts it well.
"Problem of Casual Theistic Beliefs
Casual theists (such as liberal Christians) contribute indirectly to many of the atrocities above. Even though most theists aren't responsible for such atrocities, their presence helps to establish an environment sympathetic to religiously motivated actions likely to cause harm. Just as a damp basement is an environment more conducive to mold growth than a dry basement, a society infused with casual theistic belief is an environment more conducive to dangerous theistic actions than a society without religious beliefs."