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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by dubby » July 26, 2014, 4:30 pm

Illuminati I have mates that are so obsessed with the illuminati and their apparent control of the world. And these are guys earning six figure incomes
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » July 26, 2014, 4:31 pm

Normally the best way to deal with conspiracy theories is to try one up them. Make them sound like the one that they are just believing what everyone wants them to.

I'm struggling with this one though.

I mean when someone starts claiming that an international airline is covering something up because they have more than one plane that is the same model you really don't have much room to move.

Then there is the whole window configuration stuff..

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by CJ42 » July 26, 2014, 7:26 pm

That conspiracy theory is brilliant :lol: I had to hold myself back from ripping people on fb today.
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » July 26, 2014, 7:50 pm

CJ42 wrote:That conspiracy theory is brilliant :lol: I had to hold myself back from ripping people on fb today.
That's where I first saw it as well :lol:

Was so tempted to write "**** is wrong with you?"

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Professor » July 26, 2014, 8:07 pm

dubby wrote:Illuminati Image I have mates that are so obsessed with the illuminati and their apparent control of the world. And these are guys earning six figure incomes
Your mates have massive, massive problems.

Sorry, but I think you need new friends - I really, really do.

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Botman » July 26, 2014, 10:44 pm

Raider 85 wrote:
dubby wrote:Illuminati Image I have mates that are so obsessed with the illuminati and their apparent control of the world. And these are guys earning six figure incomes
Your mates have massive, massive problems.

Sorry, but I think you need new friends - I really, really do.

TR's alright once you get to know him
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Professor » July 26, 2014, 10:57 pm

Pigman wrote:
Raider 85 wrote:
dubby wrote:Illuminati Image I have mates that are so obsessed with the illuminati and their apparent control of the world. And these are guys earning six figure incomes
Your mates have massive, massive problems.

Sorry, but I think you need new friends - I really, really do.

TR's alright once you get to know him
Sounds as if TR is on about 16 figures.

BTW, I read the article that Schifty posted, and it wasn't as enjoyable as I had hoped. Certainly wasn't popcorn worthy, mate.

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by The Rickman » July 30, 2014, 1:45 pm

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yeh raiders wrote:I'm flying on Saturday... Not gonna lie, pretty unsettled
You know, I've got more than 2 million frequent flyer points across various carriers - I deadset LIVE in planes - and I never think about crashing. The odds against it are just so astronomically ridiculous that it's not worth considering.
I'm in the same boat. Platinum Velocity Frequent Flyer for the second year in a row after several years of Gold membership and when I get on a plane the thought doesn't even cross my mind.

For me it's just sitting in a crowded room for a few hours reading a book, smacking some wine and perhaps going over a few bumps in the process
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Manchild » July 30, 2014, 1:48 pm

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T_R wrote:
yeh raiders wrote:I'm flying on Saturday... Not gonna lie, pretty unsettled
You know, I've got more than 2 million frequent flyer points across various carriers - I deadset LIVE in planes - and I never think about crashing. The odds against it are just so astronomically ridiculous that it's not worth considering.
I'm in the same boat. Platinum Velocity Frequent Flyer for the second year in a row after several years of Gold membership and when I get on a plane the thought doesn't even cross my mind.

For me it's just sitting in a crowded room for a few hours reading a book, smacking some wine and perhaps going over a few bumps in the process
It would be hard to think at all after rolling/staggering out of the lounge after enjoying buckloads of free piss. Just finding your seat would be a mission in itself.

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » July 30, 2014, 8:16 pm

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Sounds as if TR is on about 16 figures.
Only when paid in Zimbabwe
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Northern Raider » July 31, 2014, 2:56 pm

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Raider 85 wrote:
Sounds as if TR is on about 16 figures.
Only when paid in Zimbabwe
Sounds like a tax dodge
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » October 4, 2014, 8:17 pm

T_R wrote:Schifty, that as outstanding reading. I urge everyone to click on each of those links as a lesson in how dumb, dumb conspiracy theories get off the ground.


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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » March 24, 2015, 9:16 pm

Another plane has gone down :(

This time Germanwings plane going from Barcelona to Dusseldorf

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by The Rickman » March 24, 2015, 9:19 pm

Can't wait for the conspiracy theories!!
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » March 24, 2015, 9:20 pm

Wow. Im booked on that route with them in April.


Thst's oddly unsettling.
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » March 24, 2015, 9:25 pm

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airpl ... x/#5d42675

That plane was nowhere it should have been.
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » March 24, 2015, 9:26 pm

9 minute descent. Long time :(

http://i.imgur.com/iF6sxxD.png?1
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » March 24, 2015, 9:34 pm

T_R wrote:http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airpl ... x/#5d42675

That plane was nowhere it should have been.
Is that red line the usual flight path or just the shortest possible route?

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » March 24, 2015, 9:48 pm

I think they normally route out over the mediterranean, then hook to the left of the French Riviera.

Marseille is the main airport in the region and could definitely handle an emergency landing. Geneva would have been the next option.

They'll solve this one quickly.
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Schifty » March 24, 2015, 9:52 pm

Is there really so much need from outlets to keep emphasize 'low cost' airline?

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by T_R » March 24, 2015, 9:56 pm

Only happened an hour ago - they're just filling air time.

I don't think the descent rate was 'catastrophic' as they are saying.
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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by Manbush » March 24, 2015, 11:51 pm

The Nickman wrote:Can't wait for the conspiracy theories!!
Not related to the plane but here's a new conspiracy

https://news.vice.com/article/conspirac ... his-summer
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The scariest thing about that article is Manbush probably believes it's true after a bowl or two
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The Nickman wrote:The scariest thing about that article is Manbush probably believes it's true after a bowl or two
:lol:
Never been into conspiracy theories mate, they are good for a laugh though.
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Post by Green eyed Mick » March 25, 2015, 7:20 am

Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Can't wait for the conspiracy theories!!
Not related to the plane but here's a new conspiracy

https://news.vice.com/article/conspirac ... his-summer
Alex Jones was talking about the NSA's mass surveillance program years before Snowden came on the scene. In the conspiracy world he is considered credible and he has a lot of followers.

According to Vice's latest episode there are over 1 million militia in the US. Many of which subscribe to the theory that Obama is planning on turning the US into an authoritarian state before he is supposed to leave office. These guys spend their weekends training in guerrilla warfare and urban combat and many genuinely believe that they will soon be taking up arms against the US government.

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Re: Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

Post by simo » March 25, 2015, 7:23 am

Ahh the infowars revolution. Damn illuminati using their chemtrails to control the gen pop.
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simo wrote:Ahh the infowars revolution. Damn illuminati using their chemtrails to control the gen pop.
The public outcry against Halal Certification has me very worried about the damage social media is doing to our generation.
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I don't like halal certification because religion is stupid and animal cruelty being justified by religion is fn retarded
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simo wrote:I don't like halal certification because religion is stupid and animal cruelty being justified by religion is fn retarded
Yeah, but there's no point boycotting chocolates because of it!!

I understand not buying halal certified meats, but chocolates and vegemite??
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Lindt isn't halal certified and provides the best chocolate around.
Vegemite will always have a place in my pantry, even if it were Broncos certified.
Main thing is, **** costs enough without paying money towards a neanderthalic religion with archaic practices.
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Post by The Rickman » March 25, 2015, 10:58 am

Rubbish. You're scared of the threat that Islam poses to your life and you're lashing out against it.

If these products were linked with the Catholic Church you'd have absolutely no problem with them.

What do you think of Kosher certified products??
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1. I think you're just the standard **** that wants to turn it into an argument about prejudice instead of what it really is. In this instance it is an Islamic organisation profiteering by strong arming companies into paying them a levy. This is of coursed passed on to the consumer. Why should we pay for another dumb religion to exist?
2. Actually I would but as far as I know there is no certification process requiring a payment for catholic approved goods. When a kiddy toucher certification comes out I'll be sure to avoid
3. I don't believe I have ever come across a kosher certified product. If
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You've never come across Vegemite before?? Because it's kosher certified!!
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Vegemite is not up for discussion!!
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Post by The Rickman » March 25, 2015, 11:23 am

What was the end of your sentence that started with "If"??
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