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Post by Schifty » July 18, 2014, 8:53 am

This is completely messed up. Looks like Putin might have a lot to answer for if he is arming these rebels.


Missile destroys Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine and kills 295 people

The president of Ukraine has accused pro-Russia rebels in the east of the country of shooting down a Malaysia Airlines jet, killing all 280 passengers and 15 crew.

The huge loss of life threatens to have wide-ranging and unpredictable consequences, coming just after the US imposed further sanctions on Russia for continuing to provide weapons to the rebels.

The plane, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, came down near the village of Grabovo, part of the area controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

The aircraft was flying just 1,000 feet above restricted airspace when it was shot down, according to the European air traffic control body. Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had barred aircraft up to 32,000 feet but the doomed aircraft was cruising at 33,000 feet, still within range of sophisticated ground-to-air weaponry, when it was hit. All flights in eastern Ukraine have now been barred from the area.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... MP=soc_567

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Post by Green eyed Mick » July 18, 2014, 9:34 am

I suspect and hope that a passenger airline was not their intended target and that they mistook the plane for a military cargo plane or something similar.

It would be a serious escalation if any of the militia groups operating in the region are targetting civilians.

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Post by T_R » July 18, 2014, 9:40 am

Apparently one of the local separatist commanders tweeted that they'd shot down a Russian transport jet, then rapidly deleted the tweet when it dawned on them what they had actually hit.

Someone cocked up big time. Miracle they could hit the bloody thing at 33000 feet.
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Post by Schifty » July 18, 2014, 9:45 am

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/id-F3 ... translated

Apparently this is a translated conversation from the group and their commander.

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Post by Green eyed Mick » July 18, 2014, 9:58 am

Some interesting comments from our politicians.

Julie Bishop had this to say:

"We don’t know the cause but there is speculation the plane was shot down. If that is the case it would be an unspeakable crime."

"We will do everything in our power to ensure the cause of this crash is the subject of a full, international inquiry."

"We urge the separatists to cooperate with the investigation… if they have taken the black box it must be returned to authorities immediately."

Uncle Tony had this to say:

“They (the militants) are Russian proxies essentially. This is only happening because Russia wants to stir up trouble.

“Now, it’s important that we don't make a situation worse, but if, as now sees certain, it has been brought down by a Russian-supplied surface-to-air missile, Russia bears a heavy share of responsibility.”

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Post by T_R » July 18, 2014, 10:29 am

I'd say those were fairly bland comments.

The thing is, this almost certainly wasn't an 'unspeakable crime' - it was a stupid cock-up by people who shouldn't have access to the kind of hardware that they're playing with.
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Post by tubs » July 18, 2014, 11:05 am

Totally shocking news poor family's involved. :cry:

Also poor Malaysia airlines losing 2 planes in the space of 12 months, not sure how they are going to push forward their business plans now.

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Post by -TW- » July 18, 2014, 1:15 pm

I read somewhere that MA flew over that area because it was cheaper...

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Post by T_R » July 18, 2014, 1:31 pm

Airlines - all airlines - fly in as straight a line as possible. I've flown over Northern Afghanistan and the Ukraine many times in the last few years.
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Post by -TW- » July 18, 2014, 1:33 pm

Airlines across the world on Thursday night imposed a no-fly zone over Ukraine as questions grew over why passenger jets were flying over the war zone three months after pilots were warned to avoid it.

In the east of the country, Eurocontrol, which coordinates European air traffic control, said Ukrainian authorities had now closed all routes.

http://m.smh.com.au/business/aviation/m ... zua0y.html

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Post by Schifty » July 19, 2014, 4:26 pm

Dutch PM is refusing to blame anyone for this.

Seems to have Russia written all over it but hard to know if they'll ever prove it considering how compromised the whole investigation might already be.

G20 planned for Brisbane in December, imagine there will be a lot of pissed off people if Russia is still deemed to be involved in this and Putin rocks up.

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Post by Schifty » July 20, 2014, 4:48 pm

Wow one Dutch guy was booked to be on both MH370 and and MH17 but ended up changing flights both times :shock:

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Post by PigRickman » July 20, 2014, 7:36 pm

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Post by I'm Bate Man » July 20, 2014, 7:37 pm

Schifty wrote:Wow one Dutch guy was booked to be on both MH370 and and MH17 but ended up changing flights both times :shock:
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Post by -TW- » July 20, 2014, 7:53 pm

I'll never ever fly Malaysian airlines

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Post by Please » July 20, 2014, 8:56 pm

I'm looking for cheap flights from MA right now.
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Post by Dr Zaius » July 21, 2014, 3:40 am

These things usually come in threes
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Post by Green eyed Mick » July 21, 2014, 8:00 am

No they don't :roll:

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Post by dubby » July 21, 2014, 8:09 am

Richo had some interesting comments on Sky news this am.

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Post by Schifty » July 24, 2014, 8:39 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:These things usually come in threes
http://news.sky.com/story/1306685/alger ... from-radar

:doubt:

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Post by T_R » July 24, 2014, 9:45 pm

Schifty wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:These things usually come in threes
http://news.sky.com/story/1306685/alger ... from-radar

:doubt:
Yeah, that's a little unsettling.
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Post by yeh raiders » July 24, 2014, 10:07 pm

I'm flying on Saturday... Not gonna lie, pretty unsettled

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Post by -TW- » July 24, 2014, 11:43 pm

@abcnews: Air Algerie plane crashes with 110 passengers on board, officials say http://t.co/atVxOnwjo8

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Post by T_R » July 25, 2014, 8:27 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:No they don't :roll:

GEM has a genuinely terrible record in Current Affairs when on commenting about aviation.
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yeh raiders wrote:I'm flying on Saturday... Not gonna lie, pretty unsettled
You know, I've got more than 2 million frequent flyer points across various carriers - I deadset LIVE in planes - and I never think about crashing. The odds against it are just so astronomically ridiculous that it's not worth considering.
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Post by Manbush » July 25, 2014, 9:30 am

I don't fly often (to Perth Monday though) and it never crosses my mind, probably helps that my first flight as a kid was on a rickety light aircraft that had holes in the floor beneath me :lol:
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Post by Professor » July 25, 2014, 9:49 am

T_R wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:No they don't :roll:

GEM has a genuinely terrible record in Current Affairs when on commenting about aviation.
It's quite eery and unbelievable that the prediction has come to fruition

What's doing in aviation circles at the moment. Fair dinkum.

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Post by Schifty » July 26, 2014, 10:38 am

and here comes the conspiracy theories.. MH17 was same plane as MH370.

http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted ... h.html?m=0

They churn these theories out pretty fast these days!

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Post by T_R » July 26, 2014, 12:43 pm

Schifty, that as outstanding reading. I urge everyone to click on each of those links as a lesson in how dumb, dumb conspiracy theories get off the ground.
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Post by Manbush » July 26, 2014, 1:29 pm

I'll have to send it to that nutter mate, he's been abusing another mate on Facebook for believing it was the Russians.
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I mean, where do you begin with this kind of crap?

Here's a start - http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspira ... icture.asp
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Post by Manbush » July 26, 2014, 2:17 pm

T_R wrote:I mean, where do you begin with this kind of crap?

Here's a start - http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspira ... icture.asp
This ones a good one for the missing plane, blamining Rothchild and the illuminati

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/ ... 07888.html
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T_R wrote:I mean, where do you begin with this kind of crap?

Here's a start - http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspira ... icture.asp
You dont have to start anywhere, just pour a drink, recline the chair, load the page and enjoy.
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