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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Green eyed Mick » January 11, 2014, 9:14 am

The Nickman wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
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Worm wrote:I have several good mates who rank from early days to quite high in the ranks of the Nomads Hunter Valley Chapter.

A few of them I played footy with for years and others I met around the traps. One of my closest mates is one of them. I've been to prawn and porn nights and all sorts of other occasions.. They are good blokes.. Anyway.. That's my input..

One other thing..

Bushy.. Your mum called.. She has your test results..
Sorry Worm. In case u haven't been paying attention. All bikies are sociopaths and all bikies are criminals.
So because Worm thinks that some of them are good blokes, they aren't criminals? He has said in previous posts that while he considers all od his mates good blokes, there are a lot of them that get up to bad things.

What motive do people have to join a motorcycle gang?
What percentage of people that join a motorcycle gang expect that the gang is not involved in criminal activity.

YOu're living in fantasy land GEM if you believe that these people are not up to no good.
You're living in a fantasy land if you believe that every single person who is or who has ever been a member of a motorcycle club is currently involved in criminal activities.

Unless u honestly believe that 100% of people these laws will be used against will be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of crimes these punishments are appropriate for than I just can't understand how an intelligent and rational person could support them.
Well wouldn't the "innocent" people just leave the gangs in that case??
Because it doesn't matter. If you have been paying attention these laws don't just target current members of motorcycle clubs. They also target former members and non-members who associate with these gangs. The motorcycle mechanic who repairs their bikes, the tailor who sews their patches, the artists who do their ink. These people are all having their livelihoods placed at risk not because of any crimes they have committed but because of the allegations levelled against their clients.

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Manbush » January 11, 2014, 9:16 am

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dubby wrote:GEM, if you want to believe bikies are all good blokes, good for you.

while they are not all murderers, you must understand they do not subscribe to our laws or the moral standards you value.

while I cant speak for the nomads, I know particular gangs offer badges to their members for such acts as beastiality, rape of male, rape of female, rape of male cop, rape of female cop, killing a rival gang member.......should I go on? Your defence of these animals is puzzling
I don't believe for a minute all bikies are good blokes. I also don't accept the assertion that all bikies are bad guys.

I personally know a former rebel (these laws will target him) who works with children and is a lifeline counsellor. If he was denied his rights simply because of how he looks, what he rides and who he used to associate with it would be a travesty of the justice.
Mate I think the laws have gone too far BUT if you join a bikie group you would have to be a complete imbecile to not know what you're getting involved with, some may not commit crimes personally but they would all be aware of crimes committed by their fellow members, they are guilty of being an accessory to whatever crimes theyre aware of.
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by The Rickman » January 11, 2014, 9:17 am

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The Nickman wrote:Good grief, Manbush.
What mate? :lol:
What do you reckon. Re-read the last ten posts again.

Good grief.
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Manbush » January 11, 2014, 9:23 am

The Nickman wrote:
Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Good grief, Manbush.
What mate? :lol:
What do you reckon. Re-read the last ten posts again.

Good grief.
Haha my defence, I didn't tell her, dad popped over for Xmas and I told him and she walked in, she just cracked up :lol:

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by The Rickman » January 11, 2014, 9:36 am

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by dubby » January 11, 2014, 10:05 am

Mick, do you know what your mate has done to join the rebels?
It's NOT pleasant.
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Green eyed Mick » January 11, 2014, 10:50 am

dubby wrote:Mick, do you know what your mate has done to join the rebels?
It's NOT pleasant.
It doesn't matter. It isn't my place to judge him on his past actions and it isn't yours. If he hasn't bee charged with a criminal offence he is innocent in the eyes of the law and that is how it should be.

He should not be presumed guilty and therefore a lesser citizen because of his associations or the things he did when he was a young man.

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Dr Zaius » January 11, 2014, 10:52 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote: Sorry Worm. In case u haven't been paying attention. All bikies are sociopaths and all bikies are criminals.
So because Worm thinks that some of them are good blokes, they aren't criminals? He has said in previous posts that while he considers all od his mates good blokes, there are a lot of them that get up to bad things.

What motive do people have to join a motorcycle gang?
What percentage of people that join a motorcycle gang expect that the gang is not involved in criminal activity.

YOu're living in fantasy land GEM if you believe that these people are not up to no good.
You're living in a fantasy land if you believe that every single person who is or who has ever been a member of a motorcycle club is currently involved in criminal activities.

Unless u honestly believe that 100% of people these laws will be used against will be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of crimes these punishments are appropriate for than I just can't understand how an intelligent and rational person could support them.
Well wouldn't the "innocent" people just leave the gangs in that case??
Because it doesn't matter. If you have been paying attention these laws don't just target current members of motorcycle clubs. They also target former members and non-members who associate with these gangs. The motorcycle mechanic who repairs their bikes, the tailor who sews their patches, the artists who do their ink. These people are all having their livelihoods placed at risk not because of any crimes they have committed but because of the allegations levelled against their clients.
I agree with you there. I think the laws should just target current members. My hope would be that those not too deeply involved would think that it is not worth it and leave, or better still never join.
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by dubby » January 11, 2014, 12:15 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
dubby wrote:Mick, do you know what your mate has done to join the rebels?
It's NOT pleasant.
It doesn't matter. It isn't my place to judge him on his past actions and it isn't yours. If he hasn't bee charged with a criminal offence he is innocent in the eyes of the law and that is how it should be.

He should not be presumed guilty and therefore a lesser citizen because of his associations or the things he did when he was a young man.
His associates might be drug dealers, arms smugglers or even murderers.
Do you want the cops to do their job or not?
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by dubby » January 11, 2014, 12:18 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote: Sorry Worm. In case u haven't been paying attention. All bikies are sociopaths and all bikies are criminals.
So because Worm thinks that some of them are good blokes, they aren't criminals? He has said in previous posts that while he considers all od his mates good blokes, there are a lot of them that get up to bad things.

What motive do people have to join a motorcycle gang?
What percentage of people that join a motorcycle gang expect that the gang is not involved in criminal activity.

YOu're living in fantasy land GEM if you believe that these people are not up to no good.
You're living in a fantasy land if you believe that every single person who is or who has ever been a member of a motorcycle club is currently involved in criminal activities.

Unless u honestly believe that 100% of people these laws will be used against will be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of crimes these punishments are appropriate for than I just can't understand how an intelligent and rational person could support them.
Well wouldn't the "innocent" people just leave the gangs in that case??
Because it doesn't matter. If you have been paying attention these laws don't just target current members of motorcycle clubs. They also target former members and non-members who associate with these gangs. The motorcycle mechanic who repairs their bikes, the tailor who sews their patches, the artists who do their ink. These people are all having their livelihoods placed at risk not because of any crimes they have committed but because of the allegations levelled against their clients.
When I ran an engine rebuild business we used to rebuild bike engines for a omcg. Am I now considered an associate?

They used to buy oil, plugs and paint too.

Guess I just exposed your ignorance and romanticism for these lowlifes
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Shadow Boxer » January 11, 2014, 12:24 pm

Regarding the second point, the definition of an “associate” is very broad and includes taking part “on any one or more occasions in the affairs of the association in any way”.

We do not know how the courts will interpret this definition, but the potential for affecting innocent people is certainly there. For example, the courts could well see a person who conducts a legitimate business, like installing air conditioners into a clubhouse or even hiring out a van to be used by a club, as an “associate”. This sees the potential for law-abiding people to get caught up in legal proceedings.

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Green eyed Mick » January 11, 2014, 12:44 pm

dubby wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
dubby wrote:Mick, do you know what your mate has done to join the rebels?
It's NOT pleasant.
It doesn't matter. It isn't my place to judge him on his past actions and it isn't yours. If he hasn't bee charged with a criminal offence he is innocent in the eyes of the law and that is how it should be.

He should not be presumed guilty and therefore a lesser citizen because of his associations or the things he did when he was a young man.
His associates might be drug dealers, arms smugglers or even murderers.
Do you want the cops to do their job or not?
The police doing their job and people keeping their freedoms aren't mutuality exclusive Dubs.

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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by dubby » January 11, 2014, 3:23 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
dubby wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote:
dubby wrote:Mick, do you know what your mate has done to join the rebels?
It's NOT pleasant.
It doesn't matter. It isn't my place to judge him on his past actions and it isn't yours. If he hasn't bee charged with a criminal offence he is innocent in the eyes of the law and that is how it should be.

He should not be presumed guilty and therefore a lesser citizen because of his associations or the things he did when he was a young man.
His associates might be drug dealers, arms smugglers or even murderers.
Do you want the cops to do their job or not?
The police doing their job and people keeping their freedoms aren't mutuality exclusive Dubs.
Mick, in QLD the police have powers under the PPRA-police powers and reresponsibilities
act. This gives Police powers to ask for name and address, enter a premises, enter a vehicle etc. It's all legal and if not done properly inadmissible in court
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Post by Lucy » January 11, 2014, 9:12 pm

I also know a few police officers that do "not so police officer things" and some of them have done these things in a lot naughtier ways than a few of those from the nomads.

I say a few, as I know a few of the nomads that have also done undesirable things. The types of undesirable things that are the reason these laws have been initiated, but still, a blanket cover will always get people of varying degrees under it. It's just unfortunate that the QLD govt are looking at pursuing this insane version rather than case by case as I believe it should be.

That's all I'm offering.. I'll be arrested in QLD next time I cross the border if I mention any more..
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Post by dubby » January 11, 2014, 10:35 pm

Ah, the old ' cops behave worse than bikies' line.
Tell me, when was the last time you dialed 000 for a bikie too come help you? Or tell me when a bikie went out of his way to put his life on the line to protect a member of the community?
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Post by BadnMean » January 11, 2014, 11:39 pm

My 2 cents. I worked in bars for about 10 years. One bar I worked in was frequented by an OMCG.

Most of them were fwits and most boasted of criminal activity. I really don't have much sympathy for them.

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Post by Dr Zaius » January 12, 2014, 12:08 am

Worm wrote:I also know a few police officers that do "not so police officer things" and some of them have done these things in a lot naughtier ways than a few of those from the nomads.

I say a few, as I know a few of the nomads that have also done undesirable things. The types of undesirable things that are the reason these laws have been initiated, but still, a blanket cover will always get people of varying degrees under it. It's just unfortunate that the QLD govt are looking at pursuing this insane version rather than case by case as I believe it should be.

That's all I'm offering.. I'll be arrested in QLD next time I cross the border if I mention any more..
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Post by Lucy » January 12, 2014, 12:17 am

dubby wrote:Ah, the old ' cops behave worse than bikies' line.
Tell me, when was the last time you dialed 000 for a bikie too come help you? Or tell me when a bikie went out of his way to put his life on the line to protect a member of the community?
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To start off with, I never said cops behave worse than bikies. I said that I know of police that have behaved badly, it was a comparison between good that does bad, and bad that does good, but you get all righteous and throw your little self created versions of people's opinions around like a good little Christian. To be honest, I'm just surprised you actually had a thought of your own and just didn't "ditto", "I agree", "+1" or "good post" some other mods thoughts and call them your own. Well done. You are growing up little fella.

As for your sarcastic retort, I have seen many things done by police that I'm sure you would immediately kneel and bang out 100 Hail Mary's due to. I have 12 police officers in my family. Yes, they put their lives on the line on the odd occasion but they ain't all good boys and girls as you may think they are..

Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
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Post by Please » January 12, 2014, 12:28 am

If I get my tattoos which I'm planning will I be sent to jail?

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Post by Manbush » January 12, 2014, 7:13 am

You're way too pretty Luffy, you'd be very popular in there
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Post by Green eyed Mick » February 6, 2014, 7:20 pm

Good old Newman at it again.

"These people are hired guns. They take money from people who sell drugs to our teenagers and young people," he said.

"Yes, everybody's got a right to be defended under the law but you've got to see it for what it is: they are part of the machine, part of the criminal gang machine, and they will see, say and do anything to defend their clients, and try and get them off and indeed progress ... their dishonest case."

Mr Newman described defence lawyers as people "paid by criminal gangs" when challenged on his assertion.


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Post by dubby » February 6, 2014, 7:23 pm

I agree with Newman.
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Post by dubby » February 6, 2014, 7:26 pm

Lucy wrote:
dubby wrote:Ah, the old ' cops behave worse than bikies' line.
Tell me, when was the last time you dialed 000 for a bikie too come help you? Or tell me when a bikie went out of his way to put his life on the line to protect a member of the community?
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To start off with, I never said cops behave worse than bikies. I said that I know of police that have behaved badly, it was a comparison between good that does bad, and bad that does good, but you get all righteous and throw your little self created versions of people's opinions around like a good little Christian. To be honest, I'm just surprised you actually had a thought of your own and just didn't "ditto", "I agree", "+1" or "good post" some other mods thoughts and call them your own. Well done. You are growing up little fella.

As for your sarcastic retort, I have seen many things done by police that I'm sure you would immediately kneel and bang out 100 Hail Mary's due to. I have 12 police officers in my family. Yes, they put their lives on the line on the odd occasion but they ain't all good boys and girls as you may think they are..

Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
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Post by Northern Raider » February 10, 2014, 3:35 pm

Lucy wrote:Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
That doesn't make much sense. If you need the Police it wouldn't be for "nonsense". :?
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Post by dubby » February 10, 2014, 3:43 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
Lucy wrote:Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
That doesn't make much sense. If you need the Police it wouldn't be for "nonsense". :?
I read that a few times and couldn't work it out either. :lol:
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Post by Raidersrawesome » February 10, 2014, 3:59 pm

People do ring 000 for crap like ordering Pizza and other silly stuff
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Post by dubby » February 10, 2014, 4:21 pm

Triple 0 don't send the pizza orders to the cops.
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Post by Green eyed Mick » February 10, 2014, 5:10 pm

Triple 0 is for emergencies. I used to date a girl who worked on the switch at one of the busiest stations in Brisbane. They would get dozens of call every night for people wanting to complain about their neighbours making too much noise or wanting to report vandalism or other such 'non-emergencies'

I assume this is what Lucy meant.

As for police I have met and worked with some really good police officers and also worked with police who I could only describe as disgusting human beings.

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Post by Northern Raider » February 10, 2014, 6:11 pm

Most cops are decent people. Some are complete d!cks. No different to any profession really.
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Post by Lucy » February 10, 2014, 6:29 pm

dubby wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
Lucy wrote:Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
That doesn't make much sense. If you need the Police it wouldn't be for "nonsense". :?
I read that a few times and couldn't work it out either. :lol:
Really?

If you need the police, it's actually easier and faster to call the police directly. Not 000. An emergency is an emergency. A bump into the car in front, or a domestic across the street, or a stolen car or any of these "normal" reasons you would require police ARE NOT emergencies and do not require 000.

It's not that difficult to comprehend is it? Well.. Maybe for some..
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Post by Lucy » February 10, 2014, 6:36 pm

Some of the most ridiculous behaviour I've seen in a night club was done by off duty cops at my brother in laws bucks party.. I'm not attempting to prove a point for or against by affiliation.. I'm just stating what I know to be true.
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Post by Manbush » February 10, 2014, 7:42 pm

Northern Raider wrote:Most cops are decent people. Some are complete d!cks. No different to any profession really.
Agree mate and some things are easily taken out of context. Work next to a police beat and share back stairs into the alley, seen some stuff people would be outraged at if they missed the start of the incident.
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Re: Targeted measures against motorcycle gangs

Post by Northern Raider » February 10, 2014, 8:07 pm

Lucy wrote:
dubby wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
Lucy wrote:Oh, and heads up.. If you need the police, don't call 000. It's for emergencies only. They actually hate having people call for nonsense reasons.
That doesn't make much sense. If you need the Police it wouldn't be for "nonsense". :?
I read that a few times and couldn't work it out either. :lol:
Really?

If you need the police, it's actually easier and faster to call the police directly. Not 000. An emergency is an emergency. A bump into the car in front, or a domestic across the street, or a stolen car or any of these "normal" reasons you would require police ARE NOT emergencies and do not require 000.

It's not that difficult to comprehend is it? Well.. Maybe for some..
It's actually very easy to comprehend when you explain it properly. ;)
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Post by gangrenous » February 10, 2014, 8:28 pm

This debate wandered off course I reckon. Bad eggs in the police force is largely irrelevant. They didn't join an illegal gang.

To those who say they have friends who are great guys who are bikies, what are they doing in a criminal association?

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Post by The Rickman » February 11, 2014, 5:21 am

gangrenous wrote:This debate wandered off course I reckon. Bad eggs in the police force is largely irrelevant. They didn't join an illegal gang.

To those who say they have friends who are great guys who are bikies, what are they doing in a criminal association?
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