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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by Schifty » May 8, 2018, 8:26 pm

Folau is entitled to his opinion.

But just like everyone else if you're going to be a hateful **** expect to be called out for being a hateful ****.

Also it's been said before he is in a position of influence so what he says is going to be scrutinised a lot more, it's just like how if a player dished out some homophobic slur to a referee during a match it's going to get a lot more media attention than the random drunken idiot in the crowd doing it at a match.

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Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 8:27 pm

T_R wrote:He's an attention seeking knob.

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Post by Schifty » May 8, 2018, 8:28 pm

greeneyed wrote:
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Maybe people can just focus on the issue... not the person? It is a classic example of focusing on the person... not the issue.


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True, but the issue is people in positions where they have more influence using a platform to spread hate.

He is currently the self proclaimed CEO, President and Junior Vice President of this club.

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Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 8:30 pm

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greeneyed wrote:
May 8, 2018, 8:24 pm
Maybe people can just focus on the issue... not the person? It is a classic example of focusing on the person... not the issue.


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True, but the issue is people in positions where they have more influence using a platform to spread hate.

He is currently the self proclaimed CEO, President and Junior Vice President of this club.
Not to mention Admins on particular Internet forums
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by reptar » May 8, 2018, 8:34 pm

The Nickman wrote:
T_R wrote:He's an attention seeking knob.

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Maybe just focus on the issue, not the person
Focus on the knob?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Post by T_R » May 8, 2018, 8:43 pm

reptar wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
T_R wrote:He's an attention seeking knob.

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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by reptar » May 8, 2018, 8:44 pm

I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by Botman » May 8, 2018, 8:47 pm

why is there a need to focus on the person or issue here?
They are intrinsically linked. You cant discuss Folau as a potential target without considering the views he has now expressed publicly a number of times, views that do not fit the values of 2018 and do not fit the values of this club's core community.

The ISSUES are the person. This is what i allude to with regards to over moderation. We're all adults here, or at least 13+, this is a fair and reasonable discussion to have...

Folau, as talented as he is... is a 29 year old, ball running fullback, 5 odd years out of the code, with prehistoric views on the LGBTI+ community a good fit for this code and club?

How much should his objectively awful attitudes toward minorities matter to a club like ours?

Do the dubby's of our Raiders world offset the Reptars of our Raiders world? What's the net gain/loss? This actually matters in relation to this potential signing.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by Manbush » May 8, 2018, 8:57 pm

Schifty wrote:
May 8, 2018, 7:52 pm
Where have the daily reminders been Reptar?? You got slack and now Folau is back to being a complete **** on Social Media.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... y28zsr6qiq

I posted this in the politics thread as I didn’t want to restart this **** storm but should’ve known I could count on you :lol:
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Post by reptar » May 8, 2018, 8:59 pm

It takes all types and if I thought he'd bring us a premiership I'd probably happily separate his stupidity from that. After it's his opinion and he had to live with it. I couldn't give two **** what he thought of me or if I was going to eternal hell. In fact I feel sorry for him that he believes such ridiculous things, and he should really look into himself and question whether blindly following religious doctrine makes him a better person
Big hint: it probably doesn't.

This doesn't matter though, because he's not going to bring us a premiership. Just like he hasn't brought the Wallabies many Bledisloe Cup series wins. He could absolutely be part of a premiership team, but the amount we'd have to pay would prevent it from happening.
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Post by Manbush » May 8, 2018, 9:01 pm

dubby wrote:
May 8, 2018, 8:05 pm


Other way round. The media is attention seeking, and using him as click bait.

It's his own personal Twitter account. He's not hurting anyone. He's sharing his beliefs, whether you agree with them or not is not the point.
As you know being a mod social media is not “personal”, especially when you’re a well paid celebrity who has contractual obligations to represent your employer.

Whether you agree with him or not he’s breaking his contract and showing no regard for his employer, sponsors or fans.
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Post by Manbush » May 8, 2018, 9:06 pm

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I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
I think he secretly would, there’s a bit of research that supports the idea the strongest homophobes secretly crave it.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 9:09 pm

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reptar wrote:
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I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
I think he secretly would, there’s a bit of research that supports the idea the strongest homophobes secretly crave it.
Absolutely makes sense from what I’ve seen on this forum, been saying it for years too
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Post by reptar » May 8, 2018, 9:10 pm

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reptar wrote:
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I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
I think he secretly would, there’s a bit of research that supports the idea the strongest homophobes secretly crave it.
Research, or wishful thinking on some people's behalf?
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Post by Manbush » May 8, 2018, 9:15 pm

Scientific American is a pretty reputable site.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... mosexuals/

Would also explain why a lot of American Evangelicals and preachers get caught after preaching against them.
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Post by Schifty » May 8, 2018, 9:23 pm

reptar wrote:
May 8, 2018, 9:10 pm
Manbush wrote:
reptar wrote:
May 8, 2018, 8:44 pm
I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
I think he secretly would, there’s a bit of research that supports the idea the strongest homophobes secretly crave it.
Research, or wishful thinking on some people's behalf?
Does anecdotal evidence of the big anti-gay republicans getting caught in airport bathrooms count?

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Post by reptar » May 8, 2018, 9:30 pm

Schifty wrote:
reptar wrote:
May 8, 2018, 9:10 pm
Manbush wrote:
reptar wrote:
May 8, 2018, 8:44 pm
I didn't think Israel would like that at all, T_R, so I had to clarify!
I think he secretly would, there’s a bit of research that supports the idea the strongest homophobes secretly crave it.
Research, or wishful thinking on some people's behalf?
Does anecdotal evidence of the big anti-gay republicans getting caught in airport bathrooms count?
No, because no-one wants to see that video evidence. Ever.
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He doth protest too much

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Post by dubby » May 9, 2018, 7:36 am

I'll be honest here.

I always had difficulty subscribing to the eternal punishment thing. I subscribed to the annhialisation theory: no eternal punishment, you just cease to exist.

Since this whole subject came up again and I was confronted by Nickman about what I believed.....I realised I needed to find out once and for all.

So I've started doing some reading.

And it's confronting. I'll save that for the religion thread.

Look it's not purely homosexuals who go to hell......there are gay people who love Christ and live a Christian life. They go to heaven.
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Post by The Rickman » May 9, 2018, 8:04 am

dubby wrote:I'll be honest here.

I always had difficulty subscribing to the eternal punishment thing. I subscribed to the annhialisation theory: no eternal punishment, you just cease to exist.

Since this whole subject came up again and I was confronted by Nickman about what I believed.....I realised I needed to find out once and for all.

So I've started doing some reading.

And it's confronting. I'll save that for the religion thread.

Look it's not purely homosexuals who go to hell......there are gay people who love Christ and live a Christian life. They go to heaven.
Which means going to hell has absolutely nothing to do with being homosexual, right?
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Post by gangrenous » May 9, 2018, 8:13 am

If hell is ceasing to exist, then chalk me up as thinking we’re all going to hell

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If hell is ceasing to exist, then chalk me up as thinking we’re all going to hell Image
Here I was thinking it was a place where we were kept as pets by giant cats.
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If the choice is go to Heaven and live out eternity with Israel Folau and his ilk, i'll take my chances in Hell with Nickman and his merry band of clique ****.

The great Billy Joel summed this up years ago.... "I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."
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Post by Manbush » May 9, 2018, 8:32 am

Pigman wrote:
May 9, 2018, 8:18 am
If the choice is go to Heaven and live out eternity with Israel Folau and his ilk, i'll take my chances in Hell with Nickman and his merry band of clique ****.

The great Billy Joel summed this up years ago.... "I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."
Even if it meant spending eternity with me mate? :lol:
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Post by Botman » May 9, 2018, 8:36 am

No chance, ol mate.
if John God is as vengeful, smitey and as big a **** as i suspect he is, he's got a spot for you carved out in a VIP room in the clouds with Dubby, Pell and Izzy
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Post by Manbush » May 9, 2018, 8:42 am

Haha cheers mate but I’ll say no to going to the celestial North Korea, much more fun things to do than sit around and stroke the ego of an insecure childlike being. Mind you that would be my hell so if god had a sense of humor that would be fitting punishment.
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dubby wrote:
May 9, 2018, 7:36 am
I'll be honest here.

I always had difficulty subscribing to the eternal punishment thing. I subscribed to the annhialisation theory: no eternal punishment, you just cease to exist.

Since this whole subject came up again and I was confronted by Nickman about what I believed.....I realised I needed to find out once and for all.

So I've started doing some reading.

And it's confronting. I'll save that for the religion thread.

Look it's not purely homosexuals who go to hell......there are gay people who love Christ and live a Christian life. They go to heaven.
Also dubs, looking forward to seeing some of the more "confronting" stuff in the Religion thread when you get around to it. I'm always interested in this sort of stuff.
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Pigman wrote:If the choice is go to Heaven and live out eternity with Israel Folau and his ilk, i'll take my chances in Hell with Nickman and his merry band of clique ****.

The great Billy Joel summed this up years ago.... "I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."
I better be part of the Cachè.

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Post by The Rickman » May 9, 2018, 9:23 am

Hahaha I'm not going to hell! I'll be sipping red wine and watching Raiders games from the early 90s with Fergus up in heaven!

You clowns can rot in hell with Izzy, dubs and CP.
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The Nickman wrote:Hahaha I'm not going to hell! I'll be sipping red wine and watching Raiders games from the early 90s with Fergus up in heaven!

You clowns can rot in hell with Izzy, dubs and CP.
You ain't going to heaven mate. Neeeegzy says you are bad, bad man. Your ticket in hell has been punched.

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Post by dubby » May 9, 2018, 10:29 am

The Nickman wrote:
May 9, 2018, 8:04 am
dubby wrote:I'll be honest here.

I always had difficulty subscribing to the eternal punishment thing. I subscribed to the annhialisation theory: no eternal punishment, you just cease to exist.

Since this whole subject came up again and I was confronted by Nickman about what I believed.....I realised I needed to find out once and for all.

So I've started doing some reading.

And it's confronting. I'll save that for the religion thread.

Look it's not purely homosexuals who go to hell......there are gay people who love Christ and live a Christian life. They go to heaven.
Which means going to hell has absolutely nothing to do with being homosexual, right?
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Post by Schifty » May 9, 2018, 10:55 am

Pigman wrote:
May 9, 2018, 8:18 am
If the choice is go to Heaven and live out eternity with Israel Folau and his ilk, i'll take my chances in Hell with Nickman and his merry band of clique ****.

The great Billy Joel summed this up years ago.... "I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."
Do you get WiFi and twitter down there?

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Post by The Rickman » May 9, 2018, 11:12 am

dubby wrote:
May 9, 2018, 10:29 am
The Nickman wrote:
May 9, 2018, 8:04 am
dubby wrote:I'll be honest here.

I always had difficulty subscribing to the eternal punishment thing. I subscribed to the annhialisation theory: no eternal punishment, you just cease to exist.

Since this whole subject came up again and I was confronted by Nickman about what I believed.....I realised I needed to find out once and for all.

So I've started doing some reading.

And it's confronting. I'll save that for the religion thread.

Look it's not purely homosexuals who go to hell......there are gay people who love Christ and live a Christian life. They go to heaven.
Which means going to hell has absolutely nothing to do with being homosexual, right?
Correct.
So why did you even use the words "so it's not purely homosexuals" when you actually mean "so it has nothing at all to do with being homosexual". Seems a big difference to me.

And you're basically saying Israel Folau is wrong. And admitting that you should have supported gay marriage, seeing as you got it wrong all along. Glad we had this chat.
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Post by dubby » May 9, 2018, 11:27 am

It's the act of homosexuality. Of which, in a gay marriage is likely to occur!

Let's not go over that again.... It's done and dusted.

Israel said gays are going to hell. That's a very glib statement.

There are gay Christians, living a celibate life, loving God and being obedient to the gospels. Are they going to hell? I don't think so!

I just thought it was careless to say "gays are going to hell"..... He's making a blanket statement (which I've done and lived to regret) on a social media platform.... the worst place to discuss sensitive issues like this.

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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by The Rickman » May 9, 2018, 11:32 am

dubby wrote: It's the act of homosexuality. Of which, in a gay marriage is likely to occur!

Let's not go over that again.... It's done and dusted.

Israel said gays are going to hell. That's a very glib statement.

There are gay Christians, living a celibate life, loving God and being obedient to the gospels. Are they going to hell? I don't think so!

I just thought it was careless to say "gays are going to hell"..... He's making a blanket statement (which I've done and lived to regret) on a social media platform.... the worst place to discuss sensitive issues like this.
Ok, so bringing this over from the wrong thread (which dubby said he'd do, but never actually did), are you serious here?? So you're saying provided they don't have sexual intercourse homosexual couples will be fine, but if they have sex they're going to hell??

Where the hell do you get off with this stuff?? Do you realise how deeply offensive it is?
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