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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by sprintman » April 16, 2018, 6:51 pm

gangrenous wrote:
April 16, 2018, 5:54 pm
The Nickman wrote:There's been no personal attacks! This has been one of the most reserved GH discussions I've ever seen.
Dubby did get called a ****
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Please refain from the personal attacks.

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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by greeneyed » April 16, 2018, 7:08 pm

I've made my position clear, but there really has been far too much invective and, yes, I'll say it... "hate" on both sides of the "debate". We should all try and be a bit more forgiving of each other.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by Botman » April 16, 2018, 8:59 pm

Manbush wrote:
April 16, 2018, 3:35 pm
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i have rallied against people like Manbush who attack religious posters for things that have nothing to do with them individually or their beliefs.

Mate I’ll object to this, I try to stick to attacking the belief or the organistions rather than individual hence I can have respectful conversations about most things including religion, even in this thread I’ve remained one of the more polite posters.

I believe people deserve respect beliefs do not, I’m confident deep down people like Izzy are actually good people they’ve just been poisoned by an insidious belief system.
Object to it all you like. Im sure John Gotti objected to a bunch of **** in the trial in which he was convicted.
Your posting history is what it is.

So i note your objection and say "Over-ruled, ****"
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Manbush » April 16, 2018, 9:28 pm

Yep I’m happy to say I avoid attacking individuals Pig, that’s my posting history and I’m confident even Dubs will acknowledge when we’ve disagreed on religion I’ve always tried to remain civil.

I think the now defunct Folau thread is a great example, if I was going to abuse the religious wouldn’t a thread where everyone else is abusing people be the perfect place yet low and behold I tried to remain civil and on topic.

I think you’re projecting mate, you’re the one with the history of playing the man not the ball.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 16, 2018, 10:15 pm

This is actually the Isreal Folau is a **** thread, surely we have enough Manbush is a **** threads on the gh?

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by The Rickman » April 16, 2018, 10:37 pm

Manbush wrote:Yep I’m happy to say I avoid attacking individuals Pig, that’s my posting history and I’m confident even Dubs will acknowledge when we’ve disagreed on religion I’ve always tried to remain civil.

I think the now defunct Folau thread is a great example, if I was going to abuse the religious wouldn’t a thread where everyone else is abusing people be the perfect place yet low and behold I tried to remain civil and on topic.

I think you’re projecting mate, you’re the one with the history of playing the man not the ball.
Where was everybody else abusing people? Apart from sprintman calling dubby a ****, everyone else was completely civil!
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 16, 2018, 10:46 pm

Folau has responded.
I think of it this way: you see someone who is about to walk into a hole and have the chance to save him. He might be determined to maintain his course and doesn’t want to hear what you have to say. But if you don’t tell him the truth, as unpopular as it might be, he is going to fall into that hole. What do you do?

Read more at https://www.playersvoice.com.au/israel- ... Vgw6Ykk.99

I think it to use that analogy makes him an even bigger ****

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by The Rickman » April 16, 2018, 10:54 pm

Schifty wrote:Folau has responded.
I think of it this way: you see someone who is about to walk into a hole and have the chance to save him. He might be determined to maintain his course and doesn’t want to hear what you have to say. But if you don’t tell him the truth, as unpopular as it might be, he is going to fall into that hole. What do you do?

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I think it to use that analogy makes him an even bigger ****
Wowee, what an absolute ****. Hope he enjoys burning in hell
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 16, 2018, 11:10 pm

The Nickman wrote:
April 16, 2018, 10:54 pm
Schifty wrote:Folau has responded.
I think of it this way: you see someone who is about to walk into a hole and have the chance to save him. He might be determined to maintain his course and doesn’t want to hear what you have to say. But if you don’t tell him the truth, as unpopular as it might be, he is going to fall into that hole. What do you do?

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I think it to use that analogy makes him an even bigger ****
Wowee, what an absolute ****. Hope he enjoys burning in hell
Nah apparently his sweet as according to Izzy you can be the most horrible person in the world but all is sweet if you repent at the end :roll:

What a fascinating take he has on all this.

Thankfully there have been plenty of Christian leaders that have publicly came out and denounced his view.

This guy absolutely nails it.

Albury priest says Israel Folau comments will create LGBT 'refugees'

An Instagram comment made by Australian rugby player Israel Folau could destroy people, according to Archdeacon Peter Macleod-Miller from St Matthew's Anglican Church in Albury.

In a comment on the social media platform on April 4, full-back Folau, who is a devout Christian, said gay men would go to "hell" unless they "repent their sins".

Rugby Australia implemented no disciplinary action, but chief executive Raelene Castle said Folau was a "strong role model" who should express his beliefs respectfully and in line with the organisation's social media policy.

But Albury-based Father Macleod-Miller said the comments should not be excused on the basis of religious freedom.

"It becomes an engine for refugees within our own community … to allow this sort of thing to happen in the name of freedom is grossly irresponsible and so corrupt," he said.

"Love is love, but hatred is hatred. If you put a hat and collar on it, it doesn't make it less insidious and doesn't give it greater credentials."
'Wilfully damaging' LGBT people
Father Macleod-Miller said religion had moved on from the days when people were condemned to the fiery pits of hell.

"[Gay people were sent to hell] in the old days. So were unmarried mothers and people who were divorced — a great range of people. It's nonsense of course. But it's not just nonsense, it's hate speech."

"That sort of speech diminishes someone else, and potentially destroys them, and has no place at all within any discussion about religious freedom."



The rest of article is in link below, it also talks a lot about what a massive problem homophobia still is in sport.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-12/a ... tion=sport

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 7:23 am

That’s all the fight for religious freedom seems to be about these days the right to hate and discriminate. With their numbers rapidly decreasing and by current trends soon to be the minority it’s not really the legacy I’d choose to be remembered by.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 12:14 pm

Manbush wrote:That’s all the fight for religious freedom seems to be about these days the right to hate and discriminate. With their numbers rapidly decreasing and by current trends soon to be the minority it’s not really the legacy I’d choose to be remembered by.
Yeah, religious freedom doesn't mean having society shaped and bent to your belief.

At its core, religious freedom is:

- not having your belief outlawed;
- suffering state sanction due to simply holding the belief (i.e. rounding up a group and jailing them);
- having a lower teir set of rights under law wholly due to your belief; and
- not suffering from discrimination.

That's basically it.

However, in decent societies rights come with responsibilities! Like providing others quiet enjoyment of life and society free from your belief unless they seek it out.





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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by gangrenous » April 17, 2018, 6:19 pm

What happened to GWE? He riled me up into fight mode and then left me with blue...

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 17, 2018, 7:09 pm

gangrenous wrote:
April 17, 2018, 6:19 pm
What happened to GWE? He riled me up into fight mode and then left me with blue...

Same!

**** I even highlighted Articles titles in Green.

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Manbush » April 18, 2018, 12:50 pm

Good on him.



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http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/supe ... a3adde6507
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Sossman » April 18, 2018, 12:51 pm

Manbush wrote:Good on him.



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Kinda sick of us players staying quiet on some of this stuff. I can't stand that I have to play this game that I love with people, like Folau, who say what he's saying
7:43 PM - Apr 17, 2018


http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/supe ... a3adde6507
Saw this.

Good point well made. NZ is generally a bit more progressive than us but.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by The Rickman » April 18, 2018, 12:55 pm

Sossman wrote:
Manbush wrote:Good on him.



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Kinda sick of us players staying quiet on some of this stuff. I can't stand that I have to play this game that I love with people, like Folau, who say what he's saying
7:43 PM - Apr 17, 2018


http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/supe ... a3adde6507
Saw this.

Good point well made. NZ is generally a bit more progressive than us but.
Agreed. Australians, while quite low brow, still end sentences with words like “but” and use expressions like “c’mere a minute”
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 18, 2018, 12:59 pm

Good on him for posting that. Just RT so five other people will possibly read it.

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Sossman » April 18, 2018, 1:05 pm

The Nickman wrote:
Sossman wrote:
Manbush wrote:Good on him.



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Kinda sick of us players staying quiet on some of this stuff. I can't stand that I have to play this game that I love with people, like Folau, who say what he's saying
7:43 PM - Apr 17, 2018


http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/supe ... a3adde6507
Saw this.

Good point well made. NZ is generally a bit more progressive than us but.
Agreed. Australians, while quite low brow, still end sentences with words like “but” and use expressions like “c’mere a minute”
Listen ere' youse ****.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Manbush » April 18, 2018, 8:13 pm

Looks like the president of Uganda has just discovered natural law “theory”, the mouth is for food! :lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-facebook
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Manbush wrote:Looks like the president of Uganda has just discovered natural law “theory”, the mouth is for food! Image

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-facebook
So the ***** is a dual use appendage but the mouth isn't?

What is Uganda's view on eating ass? Asking for a friend.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by gangrenous » April 18, 2018, 9:06 pm

Does he need to pick just one thing he’s allowed to do with his hands and stick with it?

What’s wrong with people?

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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by reptar » April 18, 2018, 9:18 pm

gangrenous wrote:Does he need to pick just one thing he’s allowed to do with his hands and stick with it?

What’s wrong with people?
You've met people? Did you think any of them were sane?

My cats are neurotic, lazy and selfish, but that are more sane than most people.
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Re: The Religion Thread

Post by Schifty » April 18, 2018, 9:51 pm

Sossman wrote:
April 18, 2018, 8:24 pm
Manbush wrote:Looks like the president of Uganda has just discovered natural law “theory”, the mouth is for food! Image

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-facebook
So the ***** is a dual use appendage but the mouth isn't?

What is Uganda's view on eating ass? Asking for a friend.
You need to tweet this to the President of Uganda.

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Post by Schifty » May 8, 2018, 7:52 pm

Where have the daily reminders been Reptar?? You got slack and now Folau is back to being a complete **** on Social Media.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... y28zsr6qiq

Tweeted a video from a nutjob that include this..

Wilkerson's 11-minute sermon is entitled "It's time to get right with God" and it includes a number of references to and images of homosexuality. Wilkerson expresses concern over "tolerance" of matters such as same-sex marriage and calls for repentance.
​Folau met with Rugby Australia last month after replying to an Instagram post, writing that gay people would end up in "HELL" unless they "repented on their sins"

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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by greeneyed » May 8, 2018, 7:54 pm

Israel Folau clearly has no concept of love for his fellow man.
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He's an attention seeking knob.

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Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 8:05 pm

greeneyed wrote:Israel Folau clearly has no concept of love for his fellow man.
Not a lot of christians do, to be fair. They don’t even preach love and tolerance of others!
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He's an attention seeking knob.

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Other way round. The media is attention seeking, and using him as click bait.

It's his own personal Twitter account. He's not hurting anyone. He's sharing his beliefs, whether you agree with them or not is not the point.
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Schifty wrote:Where have the daily reminders been Reptar?? You got slack and now Folau is back to being a complete **** on Social Media.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... y28zsr6qiq

Tweeted a video from a nutjob that include this..

Wilkerson's 11-minute sermon is entitled "It's time to get right with God" and it includes a number of references to and images of homosexuality. Wilkerson expresses concern over "tolerance" of matters such as same-sex marriage and calls for repentance.
​Folau met with Rugby Australia last month after replying to an Instagram post, writing that gay people would end up in "HELL" unless they "repented on their sins"
He can say what he wants. I just didn't want him at the Raiders as he'd be a waste of salary cap. And a **** to boot. If we waste salary cap, rather it not go to *****.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 8:07 pm

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Other way round. The media is attention seeking, and using him as click bait.

It's his own personal Twitter account. He's not hurting anyone. He's sharing his beliefs, whether you agree with them or not is not the point.
That’s correct. And I think that he and people who share his beliefs are going to hell.

I’m not saying Christian beliefs, but anyone who uses their beliefs to be a complete **** to people just because they’re different, or people who openly preach or defend that garbage, are going to rot in hell alongside Israel Folau.

Just my beliefs, and I’m entitled to them. I’m not hurting anyone
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Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

Post by Botman » May 8, 2018, 8:11 pm

Not even dubby truly believes that a nationally recognised sporting hero, posting and promoting homophobic **** on his feed is just like any regular beer bum spewing hate into the sprawling mess of the internet.

You're being deliberately obtuse, and it's transparent
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Post by The Rickman » May 8, 2018, 8:15 pm

Yeah, dubby comes in here and defends Folau’s opinions... “he’s entitled to them”... and then when he cops heat for it and backtracks and says he doesn’t share the same opinion.

It’s pretty obvious to me that he DOES share the same opinion. And where the hell do christians get off anyway with their moral superiority bullshot?
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Post by greeneyed » May 8, 2018, 8:24 pm


Maybe people can just focus on the issue... not the person? It is a classic example of focusing on the person... not the issue.


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