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Manchild wrote: April 13, 2018, 7:23 pm
Danaman137 wrote:No thanks.

I respect his religious beliefs but to vocalise it and victimise a group of people because of them is not ok in my book.

Some people ask for homosexuality not to be rubbed in their faces, same goes for religious beliefs against someone else’s choices/ sexuality.


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Wasnt rubbed in their faces until the media put it there. Not many people would have even know until they intervened. I understand that he is a public figure but he was asked a question on his personal Instagram account and he answered it in lines with his beliefs.

I am definately not a homophobe and I am not a religious person but I do hate how the public are allow to ostracise some but not others. If you dont like his views then just simply disagree.

Why are some religions allowed to stand tall and shout their beliefs from a rooftop but others are not?
Which religions are allowed to stand tall and shout their beliefs from a rooftop? and which ones aren't?
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He's on $1.5 million a season in union, supposedly. Why would any rugby league club pay that for a centre or winger? Hopefully not ours. The story is a bit of a beat up.

I certainly find his homophobic views unacceptable as well. This is the 21st century.
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Manchild wrote: April 13, 2018, 7:23 pm Wasnt rubbed in their faces until the media put it there. Not many people would have even know until they intervened. I understand that he is a public figure but he was asked a question on his personal Instagram account and he answered it in lines with his beliefs.

I am definately not a homophobe and I am not a religious person but I do hate how the public are allow to ostracise some but not others. If you dont like his views then just simply disagree.

He should have been intelligent and responsible enough to realize he was being trolled and ignored it.

He breached his contract, has shown no remorse (even trolled others with another verse about being persecuted) and admitted he might do it again.

He has the freedom to express his views but that doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

As for personal Instagram come on it’s social media no ones is “personal” especially when you’re high profile earning a huge pay packet and representing a sporting code and sponsors.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: April 13, 2018, 7:57 pm

Which religions are allowed to stand tall and shout their beliefs from a rooftop? and which ones aren't?
I’m guessing he’s referring to the one Mundine belongs to despite the fact he also got called out for his views.

If Mundine was representing a code and team rather than himself and sponsors that expect controversy Mundine would’ve been in even more **** than he was.
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greeneyed wrote: April 13, 2018, 8:45 pm He's on $1.5 million a season in union, supposedly. Why would any rugby league club pay that for a centre or winger? Hopefully not ours. The story is a bit of a beat up.

I certainly find his homophobic views unacceptable as well. This is the 21st century.
Exactly how is he homophobic?
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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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If I said aborigines and women were going to hell if they don’t ask for forgiveness and change what they are I’d be racist and sexist, same thing Dubs
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dubby wrote: April 14, 2018, 8:01 am I think Folau has been out of the game too long, and at 31 his best days are behind him.
Yep - that would be my ONLY concern about him. Would need to be a good price. Big step up in pace moving back to league.
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dubby wrote:
greeneyed wrote: April 13, 2018, 8:45 pm He's on $1.5 million a season in union, supposedly. Why would any rugby league club pay that for a centre or winger? Hopefully not ours. The story is a bit of a beat up.

I certainly find his homophobic views unacceptable as well. This is the 21st century.
Exactly how is he homophobic?
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Massive risk for the money he’d want I think. Remember he’s been playing out wide in a game that doesn’t play as often as League.


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I agree.

If they want to sign a top class fullback, go after someone like Turbo Tom
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Wow! If Folau is available of course we should go for it.
But no player is worth 1.5m in the NRL. and we'd be dreaming if we thought it could happen.
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I'd rather pay Todd Carney 1.5 Million to return here than have that **** at my club.
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Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
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woppadingo wrote:Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
I think the point was the $1.5m.

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T_R wrote: April 14, 2018, 6:11 pm
woppadingo wrote:Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
I think the point was the $1.5m.

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Yeh. No way Id pay that much. But id pay $800k.
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T_R wrote: April 14, 2018, 6:11 pm
woppadingo wrote:Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
I think the point was the $1.5m.

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Also has to do with his lack of respect for his employer, fans, sponsors, too easily trolled he’s guaranteed to bring controversy.

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I would much prefer to have Mansour from the panthers.


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LastRaider wrote:I would much prefer to have Mansour from the panthers.


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We’re pretty flush for wingers. Izzy would be our FB.

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I'd go hard to try and sign him.

He's got genuine star quality and would boost the profile and credibility of the side.

I'd play him at right centre and move the best centre in the game to the left (b/c he would handle it).

We need to keep a couple of these other guys who are being mooted as going elsewhere.

I'd be trying hard to keep Paulo. Colossal player.

Of the others, Blake the Snake would be my next priority. He could win us a premiership one day.

Would hate to see Papalii go b/c he's been so good for us over such a long period of time.

I want to keep him as well.
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And I'm not sacking Jackie Boi either.

Stand him down for a bit if we have to but sack him? No.
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woppadingo wrote:
T_R wrote: April 14, 2018, 6:11 pm
woppadingo wrote:Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
I think the point was the $1.5m.

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Yeh. No way Id pay that much. But id pay $800k.
Thats about $650,000 more than he deserves.
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woppadingo wrote: April 14, 2018, 6:06 pm Pffft. Folau is golden. Geez you guys dont want Folau. Wannabe losers.
Have to agree with this.

Folau would add strike to any backline in the comp.

Would also boost the profile of the side (which in turn would bring in revenue).
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How’d that short term boost in profit and profile pan out for the Titans signing Hayne?

Absolute clowns some of you blokes...
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gangrenous wrote:How’d that short term boost in profit and profile pan out for the Titans signing Hayne?

Absolute clowns some of you blokes...
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I respect Folau's right to have his own beliefs and what he said isn't anything we didn't already know about how the Bible views homosexual relationships. I completely disagree with it and don't believe there is any evidence to support a god so I'm going to hell just the same apparently. Whether he should consider his position as a public figure when making statements like that is another question. If public figures have the right to come out in support of homosexual relationships then he has the right to say otherwise. He was answering a questions honestly based on what his religion tells him.

That being said I wouldn't pay anyone in the NRL 1.5m let alone someone 29 and switching between codes, regardless of how good he is. If the raiders want a boost of membership they just need to keep winning. Would much rather see us spend 800k on someone like Gutherson.
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Finite wrote:I respect Folau's right to have his own beliefs and what he said isn't anything we didn't already know about how the Bible views homosexual relationships. I completely disagree with it and don't believe there is any evidence to support a god so I'm going to hell just the same apparently. Whether he should consider his position as a public figure when making statements like that is another question. If public figures have the right to come out in support of homosexual relationships then he has the right to say otherwise. He was answering a questions honestly based on what his religion tells him.

That being said I wouldn't pay anyone in the NRL 1.5m let alone someone 29 and switching between codes, regardless of how good he is.
He’s allowed to have an opinion, just as people are allowed to tear his opinion to **** shreds if it’s discriminatory and down right horrible and he chooses to make it public.

Seriously, anybody who genuinely believes all homosexual people are going to hell is an absolute **** and their so-called god is a pretty horrible being too
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Finite wrote: April 15, 2018, 12:41 pm I respect Folau's right to have his own beliefs and what he said isn't anything we didn't already know about how the Bible views homosexual relationships. I completely disagree with it and don't believe there is any evidence to support a god so I'm going to hell just the same apparently. Whether he should consider his position as a public figure when making statements like that is another question. If public figures have the right to come out in support of homosexual relationships then he has the right to say otherwise. He was answering a questions honestly based on what his religion tells him.

That being said I wouldn't pay anyone in the NRL 1.5m let alone someone 29 and switching between codes, regardless of how good he is. If the raiders want a boost of membership they just need to keep winning. Would much rather see us spend 800k on someone like Gutherson.
A bigot is a bigot. he can shout it from the rooftops or he can cloak it in religious nonsense, either way it is still bigotry.

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Green eyed Mick wrote: April 15, 2018, 1:15 pm
Finite wrote: April 15, 2018, 12:41 pm I respect Folau's right to have his own beliefs and what he said isn't anything we didn't already know about how the Bible views homosexual relationships. I completely disagree with it and don't believe there is any evidence to support a god so I'm going to hell just the same apparently. Whether he should consider his position as a public figure when making statements like that is another question. If public figures have the right to come out in support of homosexual relationships then he has the right to say otherwise. He was answering a questions honestly based on what his religion tells him.

That being said I wouldn't pay anyone in the NRL 1.5m let alone someone 29 and switching between codes, regardless of how good he is. If the raiders want a boost of membership they just need to keep winning. Would much rather see us spend 800k on someone like Gutherson.
A bigot is a bigot. he can shout it from the rooftops or he can cloak it in religious nonsense, either way it is still bigotry.

Gutherson I could get behind but only as a direct replacement for Austin.
Ah, bigot. What a great word. What does that mean again? Intolerant? If Folau disagreeing with homosexuality makes him a bigot, are you a bigot for disagreeing with his views? If simply having different views or disagreeing with something makes you bigoted, then everyone is a bigot as no-one holds the exact same views on everything.

However, I think "intolerant" should be a little more than disagreeing with something. If he was running around trying to murder homosexuals (which is apparently ok in some Muslim cultures, but we can't offend them), that would be intolerant. Just like someone trying to murder Christians would be intolerant (eg: bigoted).

It seems that all you have to do to be a bigot these days is hold conservative views. Apparently lefties can't be bigots...
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Finchy wrote: April 15, 2018, 3:56 pm Ah, bigot. What a great word. What does that mean again? Intolerant? If Folau disagreeing with homosexuality makes him a bigot, are you a bigot for disagreeing with his views? If simply having different views or disagreeing with something makes you bigoted, then everyone is a bigot as no-one holds the exact same views on everything.

However, I think "intolerant" should be a little more than disagreeing with something. If he was running around trying to murder homosexuals (which is apparently ok in some Muslim cultures, but we can't offend them), that would be intolerant. Just like someone trying to murder Christians would be intolerant (eg: bigoted).

It seems that all you have to do to be a bigot these days is hold conservative views. Apparently lefties can't be bigots...
Personally I think believing a group of people should be tortured forever a bit more than intolerance let alone just “disagreeing” with something, it’s a downright abhorrent belief, no one deserves to be tortured forever let alone for something that harms no one. Swap “homosexuals” with “aborigines”, “women” or “Christians” then tell me what he said is just “disagreeing” with something.

Ps it’s not just Muslims killing homosexuals in some countries Christians are as well.
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You are confusing bigotry
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Manbush wrote: April 15, 2018, 4:08 pm
Finchy wrote: April 15, 2018, 3:56 pm Ah, bigot. What a great word. What does that mean again? Intolerant? If Folau disagreeing with homosexuality makes him a bigot, are you a bigot for disagreeing with his views? If simply having different views or disagreeing with something makes you bigoted, then everyone is a bigot as no-one holds the exact same views on everything.

However, I think "intolerant" should be a little more than disagreeing with something. If he was running around trying to murder homosexuals (which is apparently ok in some Muslim cultures, but we can't offend them), that would be intolerant. Just like someone trying to murder Christians would be intolerant (eg: bigoted).

It seems that all you have to do to be a bigot these days is hold conservative views. Apparently lefties can't be bigots...
Personally I think believing a group of people should be tortured forever a bit more than intolerance let alone just “disagreeing” with something, it’s a downright abhorrent belief, no one deserves to be tortured forever let alone for something that harms no one. Swap “homosexuals” with “aborigines”, “women” or “Christians” then tell me what he said is just “disagreeing” with something.

Ps it’s not just Muslims killing homosexuals in some countries Christians are as well.
The question posed to Folau was about homosexuals specifically. I'm pretty sure he believes plenty of other people will be tortured forever, but for other reasons not based on their sexual orientations. So in that case he is bigoted towards everyone who is supposedly destined for hell, not just homosexuals.

But how are Muslims any less bigoted? Do they not believe in some sort of infidel-hell equivalent?

I'm also curious to know which Christian countries are murdering homosexuals, and links please.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: April 15, 2018, 4:11 pm You are confusing bigotry
bigot

noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.




I guess we ARE all bigots then...
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Finchy wrote: April 15, 2018, 4:15 pm
The question posed to Folau was about homosexuals specifically. I'm pretty sure he believes plenty of other people will be tortured forever, but for other reasons not based on their sexual orientations. So in that case he is bigoted towards everyone who is supposedly destined for hell, not just homosexuals.

But how are Muslims any less bigoted? Do they not believe in some sort of infidel-hell equivalent?

I'm also curious to know which Christian countries are murdering homosexuals, and links please.
Yes the question posed was about homosexuals, where he believes say I will go to hell for not worshipping (after all that’s the only unforgivable sin) for homosexuals it’s purely because they are gay even if they do worship god. For the record believing anyone should be tortured for eternity would have to be the most disgusting immoral belief I’ve ever heard, even worse than believing someone should be killed.

Mate I’m the last one to play “look at the Muslims” with, yes their views on homosexuality is just as disgusting and I’ll happily call them out for it especially when they are as stupid as Izzy and publically state it.

As for Christians killing gays you might want to look through Africa for a start, **** Uganda’s gay bill which was going to be a death sentence for homosexuals was written up with the help of American Christians.
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Re: Folau in the Canberra Raiders' sights?

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Finchy wrote: April 15, 2018, 4:15 pm
But how are Muslims any less bigoted? Do they not believe in some sort of infidel-hell equivalent?
Did anyone say they were? Personally, I think Christians and Catholics get a big pass from society for all sorts of crap that Islam is criticised for.

All three religions think I'm completely worthless except as an object to be owned by my father or husband, so I'm not particularly inclined to defend any of them. Frankly, religion is a major cause of conflict in the world and I happen to think the world would be better off without the imaginary sky fairies.

But the net result is that Folau believes that a certain group of people should be condemned to an eternity of torture and damnation for no other reason than who they love. If he is that fundamentalist then what does he think of women? And for those reasons I don't want him anywhere near our club. Not to mention I think he's an overpriced, overrated hack who's been progressively getting worse, plus he'd probably walk out on us in a year anyway.
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