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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by The Rickman » February 28, 2019, 12:32 pm

The whole thing has me slightly confused. The way I understand it, Pell's whole case was that he's innocent because there was no way he would've been in that room that soon after mass and it was a crowded area where people would be coming and going.

But then (again as I understand it), once he was found guilty, his lawyer then claimed it was "less than six minutes" or whatever he said, but that's only because they can't argue the innocent plea anymore?

Is that how it works, TR? If so, that's **** stupid.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » February 28, 2019, 1:01 pm

There will be a **** storm if Pell avoids prison on a technicality after the comments from his SC.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by T_R » February 28, 2019, 8:14 pm

The Rickman wrote:The whole thing has me slightly confused. The way I understand it, Pell's whole case was that he's innocent because there was no way he would've been in that room that soon after mass and it was a crowded area where people would be coming and going.

But then (again as I understand it), once he was found guilty, his lawyer then claimed it was "less than six minutes" or whatever he said, but that's only because they can't argue the innocent plea anymore?

Is that how it works, TR? If so, that's **** stupid.
An appeal will be on procedural grounds, I imagine. It won't consider evidence not submitted at the original trial.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » February 28, 2019, 8:23 pm

Here’s more info about what the appeal might do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconvers ... ion-112620
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dr Zaius » February 28, 2019, 8:34 pm

Schifty wrote:"Pell’s defence lawyer Robert Richter:

https://twitter.com/Eliza_Rugg9/status/ ... 6395797504

And yes you're reading that correctly, that is what the DEFENCE said in court....
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by papabear » March 2, 2019, 10:05 am

You can put the submission without any admission to guilt based on the prosecutors facts.

Ie I am not guilty, but even if you are to believe the prosecutors facts it was only 6 minutes.

Though I agree with the sentiment on this thread.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 7, 2019, 12:56 pm

So the church knew about allegations about Pell for over 20 years and found if right to make him a cardinal and only start investigating it now he’s been found guilty.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 1551921380

While it’s obvious I have an issue with organized religion the Catholic Church is the worst of the worst due to their setup up, an organization with difinitive hierarchy, their own country and diplomatic immunity, it’s ridiculous the world has allowed them so much power.

Hitchens can run through their crimes against humanity better than I could.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 7, 2019, 3:18 pm

Manbush wrote:
March 7, 2019, 12:56 pm
So the church knew about allegations about Pell for over 20 years and found if right to make him a cardinal and only start investigating it now he’s been found guilty.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 1551921380

While it’s obvious I have an issue with organized religion the Catholic Church is the worst of the worst due to their setup up, an organization with difinitive hierarchy, their own country and diplomatic immunity, it’s ridiculous the world has allowed them so much power.

Hitchens can run through their crimes against humanity better than I could.

Isn't that the debate where Fry makes the comments you posted out of context earlier in the thread?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Northern Raider » March 7, 2019, 3:45 pm

Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
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The Politics Thread 2018

Post by The Rickman » March 7, 2019, 3:48 pm

Northern Raider wrote:Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
There is no Religion thread anymore. GE closed it because dubby couldn’t handle people handing his **** to him on a repeated basis over his homophobic views.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Northern Raider » March 7, 2019, 5:44 pm

The Rickman wrote:
March 7, 2019, 3:48 pm
Northern Raider wrote:Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
There is no Religion thread anymore. GE closed it because dubby couldn’t handle people handing his **** to him on a repeated basis over his homophobic views.


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Thats a shame. It was much better when all religious debate was contained in one thread. Made it so much easier to ignore.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 7, 2019, 5:53 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
March 7, 2019, 3:18 pm
Isn't that the debate where Fry makes the comments you posted out of context earlier in the thread?
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Haven’t watched that whole debate in a while but I don’t believe so, from memory it was more in relation to a bill which could allow comedians and writers to be prosecuted if they caused offense.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 7, 2019, 5:55 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
March 7, 2019, 3:45 pm
Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
With Pell and everything else happening with the CC I’d say it fits both categories.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Northern Raider » March 7, 2019, 5:57 pm

Manbush wrote:
March 7, 2019, 5:55 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
March 7, 2019, 3:45 pm
Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
With Pell and everything else happening with the CC I’d say it fits both categories.
No it doesn't
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » March 9, 2019, 8:02 am

Meanwhile in America Trump has been hanging out with the owner of the "Massage parlour" that the owner of the patriots was caught at and even had her at white house meetings.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 9, 2019, 2:22 pm

Schifty wrote:
March 9, 2019, 8:02 am
Meanwhile in America Trump has been hanging out with the owner of the "Massage parlour" that the owner of the patriots was caught at and even had her at white house meetings.
And signing Bibles :lol:
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » March 19, 2019, 7:51 pm

Ok can I get a show of hands as to who had "Canberra politician Giulia Jones has linked a bill to force Catholic priests to report child abuse disclosed in confession to the Christchurch shootings, saying they both targeted people of faith." in the What stupid **** our politicians will say this week bingo?

https://twitter.com/jcobevans/status/11 ... 1073510400

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 19, 2019, 8:31 pm

Schifty wrote:
March 19, 2019, 7:51 pm
Ok can I get a show of hands as to who had "Canberra politician Giulia Jones has linked a bill to force Catholic priests to report child abuse disclosed in confession to the Christchurch shootings, saying they both targeted people of faith." in the What stupid **** our politicians will say this week bingo?

https://twitter.com/jcobevans/status/11 ... 1073510400
Linda Reynolds comments on Q&A were pretty ****ing dumb and she continued the time honoured coalition tradition of conflating terrorism with refugees.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » March 19, 2019, 9:33 pm

Reynolds rants were bizarre, especially after spending 5 minutes telling everyone "Stop trying to politicise this"

Jones still wins for me though. To respond to laws making reporting child abuse mandatory with that is next level.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 24, 2019, 2:32 pm

Come on NSW Mark Latham seriously? :rant
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by papabear » March 25, 2019, 10:31 am

Labor with a swing against it in nsw despite whats happening with the liberal feds.

Pretty impressive from labor :P

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » March 25, 2019, 1:49 pm

Nats lost 40% of their primary vote in Orange :shock:

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » March 25, 2019, 7:30 pm

I came here to read about politics in 2018 and all I got was a bunch of 2019 politics
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by papabear » March 25, 2019, 8:00 pm

I find it odd that the shooters are picking up so much votes given what happened in nz

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » March 25, 2019, 8:31 pm

papabear wrote:
March 25, 2019, 8:00 pm
I find it odd that the shooters are picking up so much votes given what happened in nz
There was a big "Anyone but Nats" campaign in regional NSW.

Also one of the Fs stands for farmers and the water thing was a big factor.

They also fielded an articulate candidate

https://twitter.com/andrewwhiteau/statu ... 4917238784

Don't think the SFF runs federally but if some strong independents run up there Nats are in big trouble.

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