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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 10, 2018, 10:08 am

Problem is if they stopped funding religious schools, their fees would rise, they would be unaffordable for many that are enrolled now and they’d leave those schools piling more pressure on the government schools to now fully fund the education for these students. I doubt the system would handle that.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 10, 2018, 10:14 am

With the wealth the CC happily wave around I’m sure they’d keep their fees low if the alternative was to lose more numbers.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 10, 2018, 3:28 pm

Manbush wrote:With the wealth the CC happily wave around I’m sure they’d keep their fees low if the alternative was to lose more numbers.
I don’t think they would


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » October 10, 2018, 3:32 pm

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Most likely you need to put them 30-50km outside of a major city... roughly where we put coal plants. I have no issue living near one.

QLD could use its recycled water systems to cool the ****.

As a country we have very minimal seismic activity. Don't build it next to the ocean and don't skimp on maintenance and they will be fine.
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So why are none of the major parties entertaining an interim shift to nuclear energy?

Lefties win because we stop burning **** and **** the atmosphere.

Right wingers win because no solar or lentil powered anything. And nuclear is TOUGH, STRONG and REAL.

Plus we mine uranium so JERBS.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » October 10, 2018, 5:09 pm

Dusty wrote:
Manbush wrote:With the wealth the CC happily wave around I’m sure they’d keep their fees low if the alternative was to lose more numbers.
I don’t think they would


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I dunno, the business model kind of works like that. Not sure they’d be wanting to lose the captive audience when their numbers would already be waning more generally...

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 10, 2018, 5:42 pm

So want to link “Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church” YouTube clip but it wouldn’t last long :lol:
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » October 10, 2018, 9:49 pm

Ah the Catholic Church, their NSW education branch isn't the biggest fan of me :lol:

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This was also before this report came out saying they should be away to expel gay students!
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » October 10, 2018, 9:52 pm

gergreg wrote:
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I read that article this morning.
So religious people/organisations can discriminate against LGBTI (not sure of acronym) but nobody is allowed to discriminate against religious people/organisations? Did I read it correctly?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 8:58 am

Don’t like Hinch but he sometimes gets it right

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 10:28 am

Even Andrew Bolt appears to be saying we should cut their funding as we shouldn’t be obliged to fund hostility towards gays.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by papabear » October 11, 2018, 1:55 pm

Dusty wrote:
October 10, 2018, 10:08 am
Problem is if they stopped funding religious schools, their fees would rise, they would be unaffordable for many that are enrolled now and they’d leave those schools piling more pressure on the government schools to now fully fund the education for these students. I doubt the system would handle that.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 11, 2018, 1:58 pm

I disagree


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 2:01 pm

Morrison being urged to draft a new law to ban religious discrimination :lol:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 1539198805
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 2:03 pm

Dusty wrote:
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I disagree


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Serious question, why? Surely it’s not the lack of finances and they already spend a fortune trying to grow their church, without their schools they’d essentially die in Australia do you think they’d allow that?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 11, 2018, 2:07 pm

Manbush wrote:
Dusty wrote:
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I disagree


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Serious question, why? Surely it’s not the lack of finances and they already spend a fortune trying to grow their church, without their schools they’d essentially die in Australia do you think they’d allow that?
It has already started in certain areas where fees have been raised in religious schools. That has seen growing numbers of students withdraw and go to public education. I don’t believe the public system could handle the load. I definitely don’t agree with the discrimination mentioned. Just my thoughts on the government not funding religious schools.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 2:52 pm

Was it over an extended period Dusty, not to be cynical but I could see that if it was short term to try a bluff the government into increased funding.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 11, 2018, 3:08 pm

Manbush wrote:Was it over an extended period Dusty, not to be cynical but I could see that if it was short term to try a bluff the government into increased funding.
It was over an 18 month period (to date). Wasn’t about wanting increased funding, it was about the government reducing funding and religious schools passing on the difference through school fees.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 3:36 pm

Dusty wrote:
October 11, 2018, 3:08 pm
Manbush wrote:Was it over an extended period Dusty, not to be cynical but I could see that if it was short term to try a bluff the government into increased funding.
It was over an 18 month period (to date). Wasn’t about wanting increased funding, it was about the government reducing funding and religious schools passing on the difference through school fees.


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Reread what you wrote, my cynicism might be well founded, low and behold the LNPs promise to give them billions.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 11, 2018, 3:45 pm

Manbush wrote:
Dusty wrote:
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Manbush wrote:Was it over an extended period Dusty, not to be cynical but I could see that if it was short term to try a bluff the government into increased funding.
It was over an 18 month period (to date). Wasn’t about wanting increased funding, it was about the government reducing funding and religious schools passing on the difference through school fees.


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Reread what you wrote, my cynicism might be well founded, low and behold the LNPs promise to give them billions.
If that’s the case maybe the LNPs realised the government system would sink under the pressure of extra students at ‘full’ cost to the government if they didn’t continue to fund religious schools. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 4:00 pm

Oh that’s definitely a possibility mate, not saying one way or the other with any certainty but you’ll understand my cynicism when their vast wealth isn’t a secret.

It also wasn’t too long ago they admitted to being overfunded and busted redistributing funds away from the poorer Catholic schools to the more popular ones.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 4:09 pm

This has gone slightly off topic now though so I’ll steer back.

You’re a good bloke so you don’t support them discriminating. What better method of encouraging them to comply with human decency do you think there is?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dusty » October 11, 2018, 4:43 pm

Manbush wrote:This has gone slightly off topic now though so I’ll steer back.

You’re a good bloke so you don’t support them discriminating. What better method of encouraging them to comply with human decency do you think there is?
If they take that path the government should pull their funding, for sure. That kind of discrimination cannot happen.

I was just expressing some thoughts/observations on what could happen if it went that way.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » October 11, 2018, 5:49 pm

We should fully fund all government schools so every kid, including those with special needs has a basic education and the necessary supports to make the most of it.

If people also want to fund private and catholic schools they should be prepared to pay a little more tax because the current state where disadvantaged kids can't get essential help while taxes are subsidising row boats is ****ed up.

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Manbush wrote:Pretty much, after all that is what “religious freedom” always comes down to, the right to discriminate.
Well, that's just dumb.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Dr Zaius » October 11, 2018, 6:29 pm

Can't wait for the next election.

I get to choose between a pentecostal Christian and a shady ex union boss.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » October 11, 2018, 6:37 pm

Politics

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Post by Green eyed Mick » October 11, 2018, 7:06 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
October 11, 2018, 6:29 pm
Can't wait for the next election.

I get to choose between a pentecostal Christian and a shady ex union boss.

How did it get to this?
It is going to get worse.

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Green eyed Mick wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
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Can't wait for the next election.

I get to choose between a pentecostal Christian and a shady ex union boss.

How did it get to this?
It is going to get worse.
Could it possibly?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » October 11, 2018, 8:07 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
October 11, 2018, 7:10 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
October 11, 2018, 6:29 pm
Can't wait for the next election.

I get to choose between a pentecostal Christian and a shady ex union boss.

How did it get to this?
It is going to get worse.
Could it possibly?
Of course it can.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » October 11, 2018, 8:10 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
October 11, 2018, 7:10 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
October 11, 2018, 6:29 pm
Can't wait for the next election.

I get to choose between a pentecostal Christian and a shady ex union boss.

How did it get to this?
It is going to get worse.
Could it possibly?
Look at America, things can always get worse.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gergreg » October 13, 2018, 7:58 am

All this talk of tax cuts for small business. Genuine question - is a business that turns over 1 million dollars a week really a small business?

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gergreg wrote:All this talk of tax cuts for small business. Genuine question - is a business that turns over 1 million dollars a week really a small business?

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Post by gergreg » October 13, 2018, 2:40 pm

The actual reports state 'small business' not SME. What defines whether a business is small, medium or big? Is it the turnover or the employee numbers or something else entirely?

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Post by T_R » October 13, 2018, 5:13 pm

All the ATO paperwork that crosses my desk refer to SMEs rather than small business, but I dont have any information beyond that.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sid » October 13, 2018, 5:21 pm

The size of the office building I believe
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