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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by T_R » April 11, 2018, 6:26 pm

Sossman wrote:
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
Old chestnut indeed.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 11, 2018, 7:39 pm

Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm

Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:05 pm

And yes. I have had a couple of red wines. But nothing like when i caught up with GE last year. Now that's drinking!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by greeneyed » April 11, 2018, 8:10 pm

Just as well I ordered cheese platters and kept the food up, that's all I'll say.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:16 pm

greeneyed wrote:Just as well I ordered cheese platters and kept the food up, that's all I'll say.
Yes. Stopped me from falling over and was much appreciated!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 11, 2018, 8:25 pm

reptar wrote:
April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:29 pm

Schifty wrote:
reptar wrote:
April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

Sent from my SM-G955F using The Greenhouse mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
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And yes, I do realise the delicious irony of my comment.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » April 12, 2018, 6:32 am

Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

Sent from my SM-G955F using The Greenhouse mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
Depends what role right? Does T_R need a bodyguard? Lawyer? Haikuist?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 12, 2018, 6:45 am

For mine comes down to the business and the owners priorities. The company I work for if a store is consistently hitting a certain ratio of jobs to staff per hour we get a new staff member even if we’re handling it, the owner just doesn’t think it’s fair to us long term to be working that hard. Then you’ll have others like banks that look for ways to reduce staff (at the expense of service) just to increase record profits by even greater amounts.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 12, 2018, 10:52 am

gangrenous wrote:
April 12, 2018, 6:32 am
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

Sent from my SM-G955F using The Greenhouse mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
Depends what role right? Does T_R need a bodyguard? Lawyer? Haikuist?
I've made an offer to run his company's social media accounts.

Yet to hear back which means he must be considering it..

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » April 12, 2018, 6:32 pm

Death penalty for drug trafficking?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... alers.html

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The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » April 12, 2018, 6:53 pm

Don’t say “drug” in the politics thread! Manbush or GEM will... oh... never mind

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 16, 2018, 11:13 pm

In a shock to absolutely nobody Cory Bernardi has described Muslim halal certifiers as 'cockroaches' who are running an extortion racket on the nation's food suppliers..

Seems he is trying to #OutIzzy Izzy...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acket.html

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 3:54 pm

Schifty wrote:In a shock to absolutely nobody Cory Bernardi has described Muslim halal certifiers as 'cockroaches' who are running an extortion racket on the nation's food suppliers..

Seems he is trying to #OutIzzy Izzy...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acket.html
Oh not this **** again.

To certify something as Halal it costs money. You need people to audit and review credentials. Money needs to come from somewhere?

Companies who go through the process can sell to muslims in Australia and, far more importantly, export to some large islamic nations in our region!!

Either the government can establish an independent body to classify and certify all foods for Halal, Kosher, organic, gluten free fun free etc... or shut the **** up.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:25 pm

The language used is rude and abusive but from what I saw he wasn’t calling for a ban just transparency and regulating, is that a bad thing?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:26 pm

Manbush wrote:The language used is rude and abusive but from what I saw he wasn’t calling for a ban just transparency and regulating, is that a bad thing?
Sure! But why single out the Muslims (again).

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:36 pm

Agree all certifiers should be, do religious ones (including kosher) require it more though due to religious tax exemptions (lack of transparency) already in place?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:40 pm

Manbush wrote:Agree all certifiers should be, do religious ones (including kosher) require it more though due to religious tax exemptions (lack of transparency) already in place?
I say yes.

Good chat Manbush. Thanks again.

Just to fact check, I had a look at the Kashrut Authority (ww.ka.org.au) website and they too charge for certification and ongoing Inspections.

So singling out Halal is compete race baiting garbage. But bringing all certification bodies to account is a solid idea.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:54 pm

Yeah I’ve heard people complain Halal certifiers charge more but when I’ve looked it has appeared to be roughly the same as Kosher certifiers.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:57 pm

Manbush wrote:Yeah I’ve heard people complain Halal certifiers charge more but when I’ve looked it has appeared to be roughly the same as Kosher certifiers.
From what I can gather Halal is more expensive for Abattoirs (but not by much) but cheaper for non-meat products.
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