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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by T_R » April 11, 2018, 6:26 pm

Sossman wrote:
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
Old chestnut indeed.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 11, 2018, 7:39 pm

Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm

Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:05 pm

And yes. I have had a couple of red wines. But nothing like when i caught up with GE last year. Now that's drinking!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by greeneyed » April 11, 2018, 8:10 pm

Just as well I ordered cheese platters and kept the food up, that's all I'll say.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:16 pm

greeneyed wrote:Just as well I ordered cheese platters and kept the food up, that's all I'll say.
Yes. Stopped me from falling over and was much appreciated!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 11, 2018, 8:25 pm

reptar wrote:
April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 11, 2018, 8:29 pm

Schifty wrote:
reptar wrote:
April 11, 2018, 8:04 pm
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
I'd hire no one. You're all slackers that spend way too much time on internet forums.
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And yes, I do realise the delicious irony of my comment.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » April 12, 2018, 6:32 am

Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
Depends what role right? Does T_R need a bodyguard? Lawyer? Haikuist?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 12, 2018, 6:45 am

For mine comes down to the business and the owners priorities. The company I work for if a store is consistently hitting a certain ratio of jobs to staff per hour we get a new staff member even if we’re handling it, the owner just doesn’t think it’s fair to us long term to be working that hard. Then you’ll have others like banks that look for ways to reduce staff (at the expense of service) just to increase record profits by even greater amounts.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 12, 2018, 10:52 am

gangrenous wrote:
April 12, 2018, 6:32 am
Schifty wrote:
Sossman wrote:
April 7, 2018, 6:41 pm
T_R wrote:
April 7, 2018, 12:38 pm
This is comedy

You'd be much better removing disincentives to employing people.

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Oh this old chestnut.

Like what exactly? Apart from not earning enough or growing enough to justify new people, what is the disincentive to hiring?
If you had to hire somebody off this forum?
Depends what role right? Does T_R need a bodyguard? Lawyer? Haikuist?
I've made an offer to run his company's social media accounts.

Yet to hear back which means he must be considering it..

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » April 12, 2018, 6:32 pm

Death penalty for drug trafficking?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... alers.html

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The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » April 12, 2018, 6:53 pm

Don’t say “drug” in the politics thread! Manbush or GEM will... oh... never mind

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 16, 2018, 11:13 pm

In a shock to absolutely nobody Cory Bernardi has described Muslim halal certifiers as 'cockroaches' who are running an extortion racket on the nation's food suppliers..

Seems he is trying to #OutIzzy Izzy...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acket.html

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 3:54 pm

Schifty wrote:In a shock to absolutely nobody Cory Bernardi has described Muslim halal certifiers as 'cockroaches' who are running an extortion racket on the nation's food suppliers..

Seems he is trying to #OutIzzy Izzy...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acket.html
Oh not this **** again.

To certify something as Halal it costs money. You need people to audit and review credentials. Money needs to come from somewhere?

Companies who go through the process can sell to muslims in Australia and, far more importantly, export to some large islamic nations in our region!!

Either the government can establish an independent body to classify and certify all foods for Halal, Kosher, organic, gluten free fun free etc... or shut the **** up.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:25 pm

The language used is rude and abusive but from what I saw he wasn’t calling for a ban just transparency and regulating, is that a bad thing?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:26 pm

Manbush wrote:The language used is rude and abusive but from what I saw he wasn’t calling for a ban just transparency and regulating, is that a bad thing?
Sure! But why single out the Muslims (again).

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:36 pm

Agree all certifiers should be, do religious ones (including kosher) require it more though due to religious tax exemptions (lack of transparency) already in place?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:40 pm

Manbush wrote:Agree all certifiers should be, do religious ones (including kosher) require it more though due to religious tax exemptions (lack of transparency) already in place?
I say yes.

Good chat Manbush. Thanks again.

Just to fact check, I had a look at the Kashrut Authority (ww.ka.org.au) website and they too charge for certification and ongoing Inspections.

So singling out Halal is compete race baiting garbage. But bringing all certification bodies to account is a solid idea.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » April 17, 2018, 5:54 pm

Yeah I’ve heard people complain Halal certifiers charge more but when I’ve looked it has appeared to be roughly the same as Kosher certifiers.
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Post by Sossman » April 17, 2018, 5:57 pm

Manbush wrote:Yeah I’ve heard people complain Halal certifiers charge more but when I’ve looked it has appeared to be roughly the same as Kosher certifiers.
From what I can gather Halal is more expensive for Abattoirs (but not by much) but cheaper for non-meat products.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 23, 2018, 10:53 pm

Interesting 4corners tonight about Australia and Medicinal marijuana.

Lots of big players putting big money in and it seems with the hope that we will have full legalisation.

Only about 600 have it prescribed at the moment and that process seems to take at least 7 months which seems insane.

Greg Hunt talking up how he wants Australia to be the number one exporter or medical marijuana.

Although a problem seems to be the companies are struggling to find people that really know how to grow the stuff as people with a conviction aren't allowed to work in those facilities, however those with the convictions are the ones with the most knowledge.

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Post by Sossman » April 24, 2018, 7:12 am

Between drinking, snacks, and the occasional cigarette I probably have enough vices.

However, I am fully supportive of the decriminalisation and subsequent regulation of most recreational drugs (pretty much anything other than opiates).

People will seek them out regardless, we might as well ensure these drugs are safe and taxed. Destroy the 'business model' of growers, cooks and dealers and reduce the stigma and risk for end users.

It'll never happen because our society is full of pearl-clutching, hand-wringing 'think of the children' types who live and vote in accordance with their fun and pleasure is bad world view.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » April 24, 2018, 7:12 am

GEM and Manbush in the politics thread in 3...2...1...

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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 8:15 am

There's plenty of countries we can use as tests case regarding what happens with legalisation of marijuana.

I think possession should definitely be decriminalized, I think the ACT has it.

I also don't think making it legal would result in a much higher recreational usage.

In fact if you made it legal then ran ads featuring both Shorten and Turnbull talking how they are are now cool with people smoking it you'd probably see a sharp drop in users...

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Post by Sossman » April 24, 2018, 8:20 am

And you could still control usage in other ways. Many workplaces have 0.00% BAC policies and zero tolerance on drugs (even for desk jockies like me) and do random drug and alcohol testing even though alcohol consumption is legal. Nothing stopping these policies from being continued if use is legalised overall.

Will be keen to see Colorado and California 5 years from now and whether use rises, falls or remains steady.

The real impact for those US states will be less people having their lives ruined by Bull criminal records.



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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 8:27 am

I think making it legal here would really hurt the bikes business models.

Also free up so many more law enforcement resources.

Maybe they could then raid a few Banks.

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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 4:40 pm

Well according to Michael Sukkar leftist socialist termites have infiltrated the Liberal party and are trying to take it over so it's his job to crush them....

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Post by Sossman » April 24, 2018, 6:24 pm

Schifty wrote:Well according to Michael Sukkar leftist socialist termites have infiltrated the Liberal party and are trying to take it over so it's his job to crush them.... Image
There are lefties in the Liberal Party? **** you could have fooled me.

I bet some **** at a Victorian Liberal branch meeting went on the record saying low pressure systems cause cyclones and not 'the gays'

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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 6:29 pm

Pretty sure they think Pyne is a far left extremist purely because he isn't an Israel Folau level **** on social issues.

They probably wanted him expelled when he posted a selfie with Sarah Hanson Young.

Sort of like how Darren Chester faced a disendorsement motion when he had the audacity to say he was pro marriage equality....

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Schifty wrote:Pretty sure they think Pyne is a far left extremist purely because he isn't an Israel Folau level **** on social issues.

They probably wanted him expelled when he posted a selfie with Sarah Hanson Young.

Sort of like how Darren Chester faced a disendorsement motion when he had the audacity to say he was pro marriage equality....
Darren Chester would be deputy PM if he was more of a flog on social issues.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 6:36 pm

Sossman wrote:
Schifty wrote:Pretty sure they think Pyne is a far left extremist purely because he isn't an Israel Folau level **** on social issues.

They probably wanted him expelled when he posted a selfie with Sarah Hanson Young.

Sort of like how Darren Chester faced a disendorsement motion when he had the audacity to say he was pro marriage equality....
Darren Chester would be deputy PM if he was more of a flog on social issues.

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Unfortunately that seems a prerequisite for Nats leadership.


Incredibly it seems McCormack is an even bigger **** than Joyce.

At least Barnaby stopped at saying gays would drive down cattle prices.


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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » April 24, 2018, 6:38 pm

Schifty wrote:
April 24, 2018, 6:36 pm
Sossman wrote:
Schifty wrote:Pretty sure they think Pyne is a far left extremist purely because he isn't an Israel Folau level **** on social issues.

They probably wanted him expelled when he posted a selfie with Sarah Hanson Young.

Sort of like how Darren Chester faced a disendorsement motion when he had the audacity to say he was pro marriage equality....
Darren Chester would be deputy PM if he was more of a flog on social issues.

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Unfortunately that seems a prerequisite for Nats leadership.


Incredibly it seems McCormack is an even bigger **** than Joyce.

At least Barnaby stopped at saying gays would drive down cattle prices.
How are those prices going? Down since marriage equality?
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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 6:39 pm

BTW now that Barnaby is no longer a minister and is staying up late with the baby he has discovered twitter and taken a liking to tweeting stuff with zero self-awareness.

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Post by Schifty » April 24, 2018, 6:40 pm

reptar wrote:
Schifty wrote:
April 24, 2018, 6:36 pm
Sossman wrote:
Schifty wrote:Pretty sure they think Pyne is a far left extremist purely because he isn't an Israel Folau level **** on social issues.

They probably wanted him expelled when he posted a selfie with Sarah Hanson Young.

Sort of like how Darren Chester faced a disendorsement motion when he had the audacity to say he was pro marriage equality....
Darren Chester would be deputy PM if he was more of a flog on social issues.

Onward christian soldiers in the Culture Wars.

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Unfortunately that seems a prerequisite for Nats leadership.


Incredibly it seems McCormack is an even bigger **** than Joyce.

At least Barnaby stopped at saying gays would drive down cattle prices.
How are those prices going? Down since marriage equality?
I just bought a $100 roast but that was because of the carbon tax.

Would have been $150 if no vote got up.

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