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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » February 23, 2018, 3:40 pm

Love it when a “moral authority” show themselves to be a hypocrite of the highest order, he got what he deserved.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Northern Raider » February 23, 2018, 5:02 pm

Barnaby Joyce quits but what has he actually done wrong?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Green eyed Mick » February 23, 2018, 5:03 pm

greeneyed wrote:
February 22, 2018, 6:57 pm
What sort of society is it? You can't send your child to school, in the knowledge they will be looked after and are safe. What a dreadful and sad state of affairs. Yet their politicians don't want to do anything sensible to stop it.
The American people have to stop waiting for their politicians to change and change their politicians.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Northern Raider » February 23, 2018, 5:47 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
February 22, 2018, 6:57 pm
What sort of society is it? You can't send your child to school, in the knowledge they will be looked after and are safe. What a dreadful and sad state of affairs. Yet their politicians don't want to do anything sensible to stop it.
The American people have to stop waiting for their politicians to change and change their politicians.
Change to who?

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by gangrenous » February 24, 2018, 1:52 pm

Northern Raider wrote:Barnaby Joyce quits but what has he actually done wrong?

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- been a hypocrite
- possibly skirted with ethics around relationship in position of power
- had a perceived conflict of interest in being the authority paying a partner a sizeable salary.

I haven’t followed closely, so I don’t know how big a deal the last two were. I don’t particularly care either. Ultimately the main thing he did wrong was be a generally unpopular jerk that people took the opportunity to remove when the chance arose.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Schifty » February 24, 2018, 2:10 pm

Then there's moving a federal department to his electorate where his mate's hotel then got a truckload of business for functions.

But the offices were definitely ready for people to move, they just chose to work out of McDonalds so they had internet..

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Northern Raider » February 24, 2018, 2:33 pm

gangrenous wrote:
February 24, 2018, 1:52 pm
Northern Raider wrote:Barnaby Joyce quits but what has he actually done wrong?

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- been a hypocrite
- possibly skirted with ethics around relationship in position of power
- had a perceived conflict of interest in being the authority paying a partner a sizeable salary.

I haven’t followed closely, so I don’t know how big a deal the last two were. I don’t particularly care either. Ultimately the main thing he did wrong was be a generally unpopular jerk that people took the opportunity to remove when the chance arose.
If those are legitimate reasons for a pollie to quit then we should have a very empty parliament.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by gangrenous » February 24, 2018, 4:48 pm

He was an unpopular jerk by politician standards though. An impressive feat.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by papabear » February 27, 2018, 7:34 am

He made a decision that wasn’t popular, when you job is winning popularity contests that’s never being good at your job.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Manbush » February 27, 2018, 10:21 am

I just find hypocrites being found out hilarious, don’t push the sanctity of marriage while you’re having an affair.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2017

Post by Northern Raider » March 1, 2018, 5:55 pm

Manbush wrote:I just find hypocrites being found out hilarious, don’t push the sanctity of marriage while you’re having an affair.
Thought he had already separated from his wife

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The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » March 1, 2018, 6:27 pm

Hello! I would like somewhere to discuss modern politics.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by greeneyed » March 1, 2018, 6:29 pm

Thank you for reminding me reptar.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gergreg » March 4, 2018, 6:02 pm

Geeeeez Barnaby. Dig up.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 4, 2018, 6:19 pm

Nobody who matters anymore just said something he should have kept private. And now every second political journo will be asking every talking head and member of parliament their opinion on Barnaby's latest comments.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 4, 2018, 7:22 pm

Threw her under the bus for no reason, bizarre.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » March 5, 2018, 6:29 am

Manbush wrote:Threw her under the bus for no reason, bizarre.
Bit harsh calling Barnaby a bus.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » March 5, 2018, 6:52 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
Manbush wrote:Threw her under the bus for no reason, bizarre.
Bit harsh calling Barnaby a bus.
Yes. I know many fine, outstanding buses that have a use in society.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 5, 2018, 4:51 pm

My theory is Barnaby is going to turkey slap Turnbull and Whatshisface at every opportunity from now until the next election knowing that a big loss would give him a strong chance at the Nationals leadership (assuming he wins his own seat)

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/pm-must-ans ... run-abbott

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » March 5, 2018, 6:18 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:My theory is Barnaby is going to turkey slap Turnbull and Whatshisface at every opportunity from now until the next election knowing that a big loss would give him a strong chance at the Nationals leadership (assuming he wins his own seat)

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/pm-must-ans ... run-abbott
Will he still have Gina backing him?
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John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 11, 2018, 6:53 am

Wow Tennessee keeps child marriage legal so they don’t need to recognize marriage equality, because obviously marrying children is so much more acceptable than marrying the same sex.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Northern Raider » March 16, 2018, 11:12 am

Pretty dull time in politics it seems. Nobody really cares whats happening in Tennessee.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Manbush » March 16, 2018, 9:22 pm

If arming teachers wasn’t your thing could follow this US senate candidates idea of arming the homeless with shotguns :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... MP=soc_567
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Northern Raider » March 17, 2018, 9:44 am

Batman by election today looks like a massive square off between Labor and Greens. LNP keeping their powder dry and not running a sacrificial candidate.

No doubt the Greens have much appeal to the Melbourne metro hipster population. What has always been a safe Labor seat could change hands. If that happens the ALP might wake up and look at replacing Shorten as leader. His presence is the only thing standing in the way of a comfortable victory at the next federal election.
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » March 17, 2018, 10:40 am

Manbush wrote:If arming teachers wasn’t your thing could follow this US senate candidates idea of arming the homeless with shotguns :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... MP=soc_567
I can’t believe people like this exist.
This guy, is in the same gene pool as Stephen Hawking was

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 17, 2018, 11:03 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
March 17, 2018, 10:40 am
Manbush wrote:If arming teachers wasn’t your thing could follow this US senate candidates idea of arming the homeless with shotguns :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... MP=soc_567
I can’t believe people like this exist.
This guy, is in the same gene pool as Stephen Hawking was
Behind every dangerous and idiotic elected official are 1000's of even more dangerous and idiotic voters.

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » March 17, 2018, 11:13 am

Manbush wrote:If arming teachers wasn’t your thing could follow this US senate candidates idea of arming the homeless with shotguns :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... MP=soc_567
I can’t believe people like this exist.
This guy, is in the same gene pool as Stephen Hawking was

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » March 21, 2018, 3:52 pm

Leyonidiot, Hinch, Hanson and Anning just tried to pass a motion condemning the south african government over their treatment of white south african farmers.

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Post by Dibbers » March 22, 2018, 9:46 am

I'm getting a little over all the tax reform stuff that focuses on Taxable Income. Taxable Income gives absolutely no indication on how much somebody earns.

A smart political party (do they exist???) who wants to try and get something over the line should be focusing on peoples before tax earnings as a barometer. If you do that, then people will assume that you're in a particular tax bracket and thats the most in income tax you'll pay. The changes to the franking credits refunds malarky is an example.

Not saying i'm for it or against it (i've never had shares so don't really understand it) but every policy, reform or proposal focuses on taxable income... "It's going to hurt the battlers!!" is the usual cry from the opposing party... what it doesn't show is how much the impacted people are earning pre-tax... the could be on a 6 figure salary and have a wicked accountant that minimises their taxable income to effectively pay nothing...
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » March 22, 2018, 5:01 pm

Agreed Dibbers. The Liberal stooge was trotting that line out on Q&A and it’s just total ****. Hit us with the net wealth of these big losers as well hey?

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Post by The Nickman » March 22, 2018, 5:19 pm

Totally agree, Dibbers. It’s about time people were taxed on their spendings and not on their income. Only way to make it truly fair IMO
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by reptar » March 22, 2018, 6:13 pm

The Nickman wrote:Totally agree, Dibbers. It’s about time people were taxed on their spendings and not on their income. Only way to make it truly fair IMO
Some kind of consumption tax?
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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by greeneyed » March 22, 2018, 6:24 pm

reptar wrote:
March 22, 2018, 6:13 pm
The Nickman wrote:Totally agree, Dibbers. It’s about time people were taxed on their spendings and not on their income. Only way to make it truly fair IMO
Some kind of consumption tax?
A shift to a (properly broad) consumption tax makes a lot of sense in terms of the efficiency of the tax. The issue will be that many low income people would be left worse off, without compensation. And the compensation is expensive. So that's why a shift to consumption taxes are so difficult to implement. It would be good if if happened, but repeatedly politicians baulk at leaving some people worse off.
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The Politics Thread 2018

Post by gangrenous » March 22, 2018, 6:39 pm

I’m sick of there having to be no losers with every policy change.

Suck it up princesses, sometimes you lose.

Can’t do anything bloody meaningful

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Re: The Politics Thread 2018

Post by greeneyed » March 22, 2018, 6:57 pm

Can't disagree. We will pay the price ultimately in declining living standards and growth because we are not prepared to take tough decisions as a country.
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