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Re: Yes or no?

Post by The Nickman » September 21, 2017, 2:58 pm

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dibbers » September 21, 2017, 3:01 pm

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -TW- » September 21, 2017, 3:59 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
greeneyed wrote:No.

I was cleaning my cupboard yesterday, given the painters have been through and there's lots of dust. My instant coffee jar had a use by date of 2004.
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Yes or no?

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » September 21, 2017, 7:02 pm

Fair call.

I'm betting that the "instant coffee" was really a kilo of Kopi Luwak, digested by the finest Luwaks in Indonesia, hand fed Sato Nishiki cherries by the purist Japanese virgins, then picked by Monks imported to Indonesia and hand delivered to GE by Gandhi and Fidel Castro


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Re: Yes or no?

Post by dubby » September 21, 2017, 7:12 pm

Considering they're dead, that's some feat!
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » September 21, 2017, 7:25 pm

Yeah, with the use by date of 2004, I'm going off a 56 year lifespan haha


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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Question » September 21, 2017, 9:42 pm

3 short blacks between 4 to 5 am then a nice macchiato take away on my way in to the prison, when I arrive at work I smash a 3 tablespoon maccona number 5 on the hour every hour till 9.00, that's the weekday , weekends are similar 3 short blacks at home between 7 to 8 then I'll brew myself with my pezzetti stove top flat whites for the next couple of hours.

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Manchild » September 21, 2017, 10:18 pm

Coffee in general is ****. Cant stand the stuff. Give me a good cup of water anyday

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -TW- » September 21, 2017, 11:32 pm

Manchild wrote:Coffee in general is ****. Cant stand the stuff. Give me a good cup of water anyday
And some bread on the side for dipping?

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -PJ- » September 22, 2017, 8:53 am

Manchild wrote:Coffee in general is ****. Cant stand the stuff. Give me a good cup of water anyday
That's tap water as well right ?
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dibbers » September 22, 2017, 9:00 am

-PJ- wrote:
Manchild wrote:Coffee in general is ****. Cant stand the stuff. Give me a good cup of water anyday
That's tap water as well right ?
A theory of my Uncles is that water makes you rusty and causes arthritis...

Bloke lived on coffee and beer most of his life.

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by dubby » September 22, 2017, 10:27 am

-TW- wrote:
Manchild wrote:Coffee in general is ****. Cant stand the stuff. Give me a good cup of water anyday
And some bread on the side for dipping?

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dr Zaius » September 24, 2017, 2:48 pm

Euthanasia?
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -TW- » September 24, 2017, 2:50 pm

Grabs collar.. touchy

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by greeneyed » September 24, 2017, 2:58 pm

Yes, provided there are strict protections.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by The Nickman » September 24, 2017, 3:20 pm

Oooh, that's a real tricky one, Zaius

I think like most moral issues, I'll wait to see what dubby says first, and then go the opposite
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dr Zaius » September 24, 2017, 3:22 pm

I'm pretty sure that I know what Dubs view on this will be.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by gangrenous » September 24, 2017, 3:53 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:Euthanasia?
Yes

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Yes or no?

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » September 24, 2017, 5:08 pm

I was thinking about it the other day. I still don't know.

I was leaning towards yes, because if I was in a situation where I relied on Mrs Fui to look after me 24/7, I wouldn't want to put her through that.

But if something happened to her, it would kill me to see it done to her and I would want to look after her.

I don't know.. I think I'm more on the no side, like 60/40. It's too grey for me.


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Re: Yes or no?

Post by gangrenous » September 24, 2017, 5:17 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:I was thinking about it the other day. I still don't know.

I was leaning towards yes, because if I was in a situation where I relied on Mrs Fui to look after me 24/7, I wouldn't want to put her through that.

But if something happened to her, it would kill me to see it done to her and I would want to look after her.

I don't know.. I think I'm more on the no side, like 60/40. It's too grey for me.


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Yes or no?

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » September 24, 2017, 5:25 pm

Yeah I get that, and I agree with that, but I also feel it could be easily manipulated.

There was a couple on The Project who wanted to be euthanised when they were 80, because they didn't want to go into a home and have to wear incontinence pads. There were other reasons, but not health related, just that they didn't want to rely on others basically. That's not a valid reason, but then you would have to draw a very uncomfortable line in the sand

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by gangrenous » September 24, 2017, 6:03 pm

Yeah, it's a bloody tricky line to draw but I think it's worth it.

I imagine some system where say 3 randomly assigned doctors from a pool must review the case and sign-off. Then there'd be some machine learning analysis of the pool to look for anomalous doctors for review. Issue there is cost obviously.

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Re: Yes or no?

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greeneyed wrote:Yes, provided there are strict protections.
Agree 1000% with this
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Manbush » September 24, 2017, 6:35 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:Euthanasia?
Yes, as someone who has watched loved ones die slow and painful deaths who wanted an out but couldn't take one, it's their life to give up. A popular argument against is playing god yet we have no problem prolonging someone's life.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Green eyed Mick » September 24, 2017, 9:43 pm

IMO this is an issue of personal autonomy. Sensible, strict regulations that balance personal autonomy and the basic human right to die have me firmly rusted to 'YES'

I also want dementia to be included as a terminal illness in any legislation. It's a cruel way to die and dementia suffers should be able to go out on their own terms.

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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -PJ- » September 25, 2017, 7:18 am

Touchie subject and agree with all above ref regulations..

Yes.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Sid » September 25, 2017, 8:52 am

I'm also a Yes under the right regulations.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dibbers » September 25, 2017, 10:03 am

Under strict conditions, definitely yes.

Watching the old man go out the way he did, no one should have to suffer like that. And watching my Mum try to keep it together during the process, no question about it, it should be allowed.

Like i said, there have to be strict criteria, and independent assessments, but 100% yes.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Northern Raider » September 25, 2017, 11:04 am

Pigman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:Yes, provided there are strict protections.
Agree 1000% with this
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dr Zaius » September 25, 2017, 1:01 pm

Phillip Nitschke advocates for Nembutal being available to any adult over the age of 50. Thoughts?
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Yes or no?

Post by Botman » September 25, 2017, 1:38 pm

Maybe a bridge too far.

I think if the sufferer themselves are able to make a call (or who ever has power of attorney), they should be able to make a submission for euthanasia to the treating doctor, if that doctor agrees, it goes to the head of the department for review, if they agree, it goes to panel of independent doctors who review the case, once it clears them, you should be able to legally euthanise a patient. And the kpi from official submission to final decision by the independent board should 5 days

Don't know how feasible that is, or if im missing any glaring issue medically but I think a system like that should be in place
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Dibbers » September 25, 2017, 1:38 pm

OK... So the mother of all controversial questions now...........







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Re: Yes or no?

Post by Green eyed Mick » September 25, 2017, 1:55 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:Phillip Nitschke advocates for Nembutal being available to any adult over the age of 50. Thoughts?
Not without some kind of protections. Maybe a 12 month 'cooling off period' with twice monthly compulsory counselling sessions.

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Re: Yes or no?

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Dibbers wrote:OK... So the mother of all controversial questions now...........







Pineapple on Pizza?
No to fruit pizza.
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Re: Yes or no?

Post by -TW- » September 25, 2017, 2:24 pm

Yes to pineapple on pizza.. love it

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