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Wow. Talk about a guy who doesn't know how lucky he is. You have been blessed Nick, stop being so damn god angry at Canberra.
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Nick wrote:Close, but no cigar, old timer.

We live in canberra because my wifes profession is an absolute **** fight in sydney... care to take a guess why its not a **** fight in canberra?

Ill help you out... all you have to do is fill in the gaps:

Very, very few people in her profession have any interest in living in Canbe_ra, even for better pay and furthering their careers. They'd rather live in Sydn_y, working as registrar level for around 110k than move to canberra to practise as a specialist for 200+.

We like Canberra, we were happy to settle down into a boring family life, which is exactly what we've done. I am the poster child for everything you are wrong about :lol:
Actually, I know for a fact that's not true Nick. There are plenty of people in your wife's profession willing to work in Canberra, myself and a number of my friends included. Public appointments, not just Canberra but anywhere currently, aren't all that forthcoming.
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:lol: Im not angry at Canberra, i am angry at people who want to put the fact this town cant attract quality established NRL talent to the people running this club, instead of accepting there is contributing factors that are well beyond their control.

The common idea here is the only reason we cant attract talent to the Canberra Raiders is because we are poorly run and poorly coached. The reality is that we cant attract talent because the town is not a desirable location for players who have other options at clubs in big cities.
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Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
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Greenbits wrote: Actually, I know for a fact that's not true Nick. There are plenty of people in your wife's profession willing to work in Canberra, myself and a number of my friends included. Public appointments, not just Canberra but anywhere currently, aren't all that forthcoming.
You need to chat to the plethora of peds registrars who continue working as registrars in sydney, whilst my wife was the one and only applicant for a specialist position in canberra. My wife herself worked for 2 years as a registrar trying to find a specialist job in sydney before finally deciding that canberra "would do"

It happens. Frequently.
Because lifestyle matters
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Nick wrote:
Greenbits wrote: Actually, I know for a fact that's not true Nick. There are plenty of people in your wife's profession willing to work in Canberra, myself and a number of my friends included. Public appointments, not just Canberra but anywhere currently, aren't all that forthcoming.
You need to chat to the plethora of peds registrars who continue working as registrars in sydney, whilst my wife was the one and only applicant for a specialist position in canberra. My wife herself worked for 2 years as a registrar trying to find a specialist job in sydney before finally deciding that canberra "would do"

It happens. Frequently.
Because lifestyle matters
Disagree. Two part time positions were advertised this time last year and were hotly contested. I could name half a dozen either recently finished their training or due to finish their training that would gladly take a public paed job. I'm not sure what happened in your wife's case, but it's certainly not the current situation.
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Begbie wrote:Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
I've always found that the way people come across on an internet forum in which everyone argues, is almost exactly the way they are ;)
(the reality is the opposite, i dont like many people here, yet im have never met a single person off this forum i didnt like and not a single one of them was accurate to the way they were on the forum.)
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Nick wrote:
Begbie wrote:Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
I've always found that the way people come across on an internet forum in which everyone argues, is almost exactly the way they are ;)
(the reality is the opposite, i dont like many people here, yet im have never met a single person off this forum i didnt like and not a single one of them was accurate to the way they were on the forum.)
Except Nickman, that guys a jerk
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Greenbits wrote:
Nick wrote:
Begbie wrote:Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
I've always found that the way people come across on an internet forum in which everyone argues, is almost exactly the way they are ;)
(the reality is the opposite, i dont like many people here, yet im have never met a single person off this forum i didnt like and not a single one of them was accurate to the way they were on the forum.)
Except Nickman, that guys a jerk
Yeah, there is always one exception. That guys a total jerk.

Despite our constant disagreements, I even thought you were a good bloke GB
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We probably only disagree 50% of the time, but yeah, I'm a top bloke, just ask me
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Home again! Thank God I'm back in Canberra. God's own country. Flying in, seeing the sun setting over the mountains. Beautiful. I could never, ever, live in Brisbane again.
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I agree Ge. I'm in beautiful Canberra and could never live in Brisbane again.
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I'm in Brisbane and would happily live in Canberra again. Too hot here.
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Agreed about Brisbane heat. I live a block from the ocean on the Gold Coast now and it is much more tolerable. The summers here in Canberra are great. It can get hot, but it's dry and it cools off overnight.
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Nick wrote:
Greenbits wrote:
Nick wrote:
Begbie wrote:Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
I've always found that the way people come across on an internet forum in which everyone argues, is almost exactly the way they are ;)
(the reality is the opposite, i dont like many people here, yet im have never met a single person off this forum i didnt like and not a single one of them was accurate to the way they were on the forum.)
Except Nickman, that guys a jerk
Yeah, there is always one exception. That guys a total jerk.

Despite our constant disagreements, I even thought you were a good bloke GB
Yeah, that nickman guy is a jerk.

But if I met you in person' you'd be surprised. I'd pull out the old umbrella and sing you an old frank sanatatra classic.
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Begbie wrote:
Nick wrote:
Greenbits wrote:
Nick wrote:
Begbie wrote:Actually, you come across as an extremely angry human Nicko. Pull it in mate.
I've always found that the way people come across on an internet forum in which everyone argues, is almost exactly the way they are ;)
(the reality is the opposite, i dont like many people here, yet im have never met a single person off this forum i didnt like and not a single one of them was accurate to the way they were on the forum.)
Except Nickman, that guys a jerk
Yeah, there is always one exception. That guys a total jerk.

Despite our constant disagreements, I even thought you were a good bloke GB
Yeah, that nickman guy is a jerk.

But if I met you in person' you'd be surprised. I'd pull out the old umbrella and sing you an old frank sanatatra classic.
now I think you're a jerk! :lol:

But yeah, nickman is a total toast man
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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Nick, not all NRL players are party animals. There are those, like yourself, willing to relocate for good money and for career.
Townsville ain't better than Canberra but local boys go back for the reasons I mentioned
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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Ive never been to townsville but i do have a few mates stationed up there in the army, they speak very highly of it. They've also been to Canberra and are not as high on it (i dont know why, because ive never been to townsville so i cant really comment).
Most players have options for their careers elsewhere, those that don't, like Baptiste, are happy to come to canberra... ill be keen to see what comes of him if he nails down our starting job and proves to be a good footballer... recon he'll stick around long term? I have my doubts

Dubby, you like everyone else is welcome to pretend this doesnt exist all you like, but it doesnt make it so
there is a reason we dont attract quality NRL talent, and there is a reason why most people think canberra is boring... and it's got nothing to do with the fact we are poorly run and/or coached.

Whether its fair/unfair, right/wrong, educated/uneducated, it really doesn't matter, the preconceived notion of what canberra is and what it has to offer is a major contributor to this club's woes in player signings and it's completely out of our hands.

A very large % of the australian population do not want to live in canberra, and it's not just football players, you go and do a phone survey of 10 000 australians and you'll be lucky to get 500 that preference canberra over sydney, melbourne or brisbane, and until that changes we will be stuck picking up scraps like Edwards and Baptiste and having to develop our squad... or doing what i suspect stuart might try - paying completely ridiculous overs to good but not great players and sacrificing depth to do it. (if he does go down this path, we'll see how much success it yields)

As said, you can ignore the problem if you like, but it doesn't mean I have too.
I mean how many players have to say things like "Not interested in canberra, because i dont want to live in Canberra" before you guys start to wonder if there is something genuine to it?
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I know people think it's boring mate, but there are people who want what Canberra offers. They are a minority, I agree
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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Townsville is ok, bloody hot tho. It has social issues tho
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote:I know people think it's boring mate, but there are people who want what Canberra offers. They are a minority, I agree
But that's exactly Nick's point! They are the minority which means the pool Raiders have to try and draw from is hugely reduced, and tilts negotiating in favour of the players. Among football players the number that prefer Canberra would be even lower than the general population due to the demographic. Amongst super-star players with their high society WAGs the percentage will take another whack (to virtually non-existent I'd argue).

I don't see how this is still a discussion.
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gangrenous wrote:
dubby wrote:I know people think it's boring mate, but there are people who want what Canberra offers. They are a minority, I agree
But that's exactly Nick's point! They are the minority which means the pool Raiders have to try and draw from is hugely reduced, and tilts negotiating in favour of the players. Among football players the number that prefer Canberra would be even lower than the general population due to the demographic. Amongst super-star players with their high society WAGs the percentage will take another whack (to virtually non-existent I'd argue).

I don't see how this is still a discussion.
Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
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It's an absolute fact that a fair proportion of RL players don't want to live in Canberra. You can't argue against it.

We just need to target the right players.

Thankfully we no longer have a coach like Matt Elliott who publicly use it as an excuse for his horrendous recruiting an retention record. There's nothing like having your head coach perpetuate the issue of attracting players to Canberra by deriding the place in the media to cover his own backside.
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greeneyed wrote: Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
Name a couple of big name players who were lining up back then?
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Manbush wrote:
greeneyed wrote: Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
Name a couple of big name players who were lining up back then?
Les Davidson
Greg Dowling
David Trewhella
Phil Blake
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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote:
Manbush wrote:
greeneyed wrote: Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
Name a couple of big name players who were lining up back then?
Les Davidson
Greg Dowling
David Trewhella
Phil Blake
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Peter Benson?
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I'd say Phil Blake was the only player of genuine reputation (outside of Mal Meninga) that we recruited during that era.
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Nick wrote:Ive never been to townsville but i do have a few mates stationed up there in the army, they speak very highly of it. They've also been to Canberra and are not as high on it (i dont know why, because ive never been to townsville so i cant really comment).
Most players have options for their careers elsewhere, those that don't, like Baptiste, are happy to come to canberra... ill be keen to see what comes of him if he nails down our starting job and proves to be a good footballer... recon he'll stick around long term? I have my doubts

Dubby, you like everyone else is welcome to pretend this doesnt exist all you like, but it doesnt make it so
there is a reason we dont attract quality NRL talent, and there is a reason why most people think canberra is boring... and it's got nothing to do with the fact we are poorly run and/or coached.

Whether its fair/unfair, right/wrong, educated/uneducated, it really doesn't matter, the preconceived notion of what canberra is and what it has to offer is a major contributor to this club's woes in player signings and it's completely out of our hands.

A very large % of the australian population do not want to live in canberra, and it's not just football players, you go and do a phone survey of 10 000 australians and you'll be lucky to get 500 that preference canberra over sydney, melbourne or brisbane, and until that changes we will be stuck picking up scraps like Edwards and Baptiste and having to develop our squad... or doing what i suspect stuart might try - paying completely ridiculous overs to good but not great players and sacrificing depth to do it. (if he does go down this path, we'll see how much success it yields)

As said, you can ignore the problem if you like, but it doesn't mean I have too.
I mean how many players have to say things like "Not interested in canberra, because i dont want to live in Canberra" before you guys start to wonder if there is something genuine to it?
Joel Edwards came simply because he got a better offer. Nicks wife came simply because her prospects were better. It's not rocket science.

Thurston will never play in sydney, Parker will never leave Brisbane. It's juniors job to sniff out the right candidates and get them here. He has absolutely failed in this regard and has siged no one for 2014 despit a massive amount of salary cap room.

If the bloke had a shred of self respect he would have resigned when the place imploded.
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greeneyed wrote:Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
This was literally 20 years ago, when the game was being dragged kicking and screaming to a professional era and the majority of our big name recruits came from QLD, at a time where there was one single QLD club (many of them actually came BEFORE that club was even brought in)...

I mean if you cant identify the difference of the what we are dealing with here in (near enough too) 2014, compared to that of 1988, then it's probably time your loved ones did the right thing and put you out to pasture.

Nothing worse than seeing age rot a man's brain.
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Nick wrote:
greeneyed wrote:Because Nick is wrong. When the club was successful, winning premierships, under an innovative, leading coach, we had players lining up to join the club.
This was literally 20 years ago, when the game was being dragged kicking and screaming to a professional era and the majority of our big name recruits came from QLD, at a time where there was one single QLD club (many of them actually came BEFORE that club was even brought in)...

I mean if you cant identify the difference of the what we are dealing with here in (near enough too) 2014, compared to that of 1988, then it's probably time your loved ones did the right thing and put you out to pasture.

Nothing worse than seeing age rot a man's brain.
Same reason they are lining up to join the brumbies now.
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The brumbies are one of 5 (and 3 if your being honest given the force are a total and utter rabble and the Rebels are a pointless franchise too) options for Australian RU players (yes im aware they can play for other franchises but it doesnt happen).

There is only ONE SINGLE club per city. :lol:
There is 125 spots in Australia rugby's top comp for it's players (assuming its a 25 man squad)... there is literally triple the spots for NRL players.

Goodness SB, you are completely out of your depth

I mean do you honestly think the Brumbies would attract talent if NSW had 7-8 super 15 franchises they could play for? Absolutely dreaming. When the NRL has only the Raiders, Storm, Reds, Broncos and Roosters in the country, then come at me with this kind of example. It's simply not apples and apples.
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Pretty sure the current wallabies captain and 5/8 could get a run anywhere. They chose the Brumbies based on the quality of the rugby program. Go figure
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There are plenty of players who are in the game to achieve success more so than money or fame. Plenty of players who have interests and goals outside of Rugby League. It is not an easy task but Don has a responsibility to find these types of players and do what is required to get them here.
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I see Nick didn't like it being pointed out he was wrong. ;)
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