Depression and mental health

simo · Post by **simo** » April 6, 2016, 11:39 am

dubby wrote:Not aiming at you specially nickman.

I do my own faith based meditation. And yes, I love a good swing in the hammock in the evening sun.

id like to put a vote in motion to change the direction of this thread to "how good are hammocks?" They are just the absolute tits

Post by **dubby** » April 6, 2016, 11:41 am

Green hammock included

simo · Post by **simo** » April 6, 2016, 11:48 am

dubby wrote:Green hammock included

as long as i can lay on him and smash down a mojito

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 11:49 am

Begbie · Post by **Begbie** » April 6, 2016, 12:12 pm

I had the absolute pleasure of reading the above post from Nickman, and let me assure you, as usual, it was an absolute doozy. Shame it was edited and deleted.

simo · Post by **simo** » April 6, 2016, 12:14 pm

The Nickman wrote:EDIT

typical nickman adding absolutely nothing

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 12:17 pm

There was nothing wrong with that post!!

robtheraider · Post by **robtheraider** » April 6, 2016, 12:17 pm

I think its important that as "blokes" this sort of things get discussed in the open.

Dubby I can understand how you feel, after battling for many years as you say "just getting on with it", I decided enough was enough, and I visited my GP and have been subsequently diagnosed with a mental illness.

Talking to my psychologist, he said that my symptoms are not unusual for my age group (45-55), and i'm more than likely in the majority.....once thing he stressed and I am more than happy to attest to is that self medication ( booze, dope or whatever) while being perceived as short term fix, inevitably ends up in downward spiral.

I have been on medication for 3+ months now, and whilst not ideal, I am coming to terms with my symptoms and definitely on the improve.

I can understand that medication for mental illness may have a stigma attached to it ( and this was a major stumbling block for me personally), but properly prescribed and administered by a trusted GP goes a hell of a along way to improving life experiences on a daily basis.

I implore anyone who has feelings and thought patterns that they find difficult to reconcile or understand, to go to their GP and fess up and be open and honest with yourself and your GP....you wont get judged and they are genuinely there to help.

I'm happy for anyone to PM me if they want to discuss further.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 12:22 pm

Good post, rob. I remember meeting you at the Canberra casino that time when you came up to me out of nowhere. I thought you were a genuinely good bloke. Shame to see about your struggles, but it's fantastic to see you're getting the help you need. Keep at it, mate.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 12:25 pm

The Nickman wrote:Good post, rob. I remember meeting you at the Canberra casino that time when you came up to me out of nowhere. I thought you were a genuinely good bloke. Shame to see about your struggles, but it's fantastic to see you're getting the help you need. Keep at it, mate.

Thought he was a good bloke upon approaching you yet thought I was going to punch you out?

**** you, man. **** you.

Good darts, by the way, Rob. Having a good crack at it and through some important steps, too.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 12:25 pm

Something else I've noticed guys is that we often hit an absolute low-point in our lives and we seek out the help to stop feeling awful, whether it be through exercise, meditation, healthier living, going outside more, medication or counselling and we learn to deal with things and we become "happier" again.

But then once we're over the worst of it, we stop. We stop doing many of the good things we've introduced in order to deal with the bad and eventually regress to that point again. I include myself in this category, as I forever start to slip on my exercise/diet etc and next thing I'm starting to feel low again.

It needs to be an ongoing process. Happiness comes from within, we need to hone the tools that directly foster our happiness for the good times as well as the bad.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 12:26 pm

Raider 85 wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Good post, rob. I remember meeting you at the Canberra casino that time when you came up to me out of nowhere. I thought you were a genuinely good bloke. Shame to see about your struggles, but it's fantastic to see you're getting the help you need. Keep at it, mate.
Thought he was a good bloke upon approaching you yet thought I was going to punch you out?

**** you, man. **** you.

Good darts, by the way, Rob. Having a good crack at it and through some important steps, too.

You're **** slightly scary though! I'm not ashamed to admit that next time I'm having a beer with you (ANZAC Day weekend??) I'll be packing a blade.

Raider Bell · Post by **Raider Bell** » April 6, 2016, 12:27 pm

Begbie wrote:I had the absolute pleasure of reading the above post from Nickman, and let me assure you, as usual, it was an absolute doozy. Shame it was edited and deleted.

What did it say? I'll read it quick before it's edited again.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 12:27 pm

The Nickman wrote:Something else I've noticed guys is that we often hit an absolute low-point in our lives and we seek out the help to stop feeling awful, whether it be through exercise, meditation, healthier living, going outside more, medication or counselling and we learn to deal with things and we become "happier" again.

But then once we're over the worst of it, we stop. We stop doing many of the good things we've introduced in order to deal with the bad and eventually regress to that point again. I include myself in this category, as I forever start to slip on my exercise/diet etc and next thing I'm starting to feel low again.

It needs to be an ongoing process. Happiness comes from within, we need to hone the tools that directly foster our happiness for the good times as well as the bad.

That last paragraph is a beauty to end with. Very well said, mate.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 12:28 pm

The Nickman wrote:
Raider 85 wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Good post, rob. I remember meeting you at the Canberra casino that time when you came up to me out of nowhere. I thought you were a genuinely good bloke. Shame to see about your struggles, but it's fantastic to see you're getting the help you need. Keep at it, mate.
Thought he was a good bloke upon approaching you yet thought I was going to punch you out?

**** you, man. **** you.

Good darts, by the way, Rob. Having a good crack at it and through some important steps, too.
You're **** slightly scary though! I'm not ashamed to admit that next time I'm having a beer with you (ANZAC Day weekend??) I'll be packing a blade.

Hahaha yep.

Looking forward to my six pack of Guinness, too. Fml

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 12:30 pm

Raider 85 wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
Raider 85 wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Good post, rob. I remember meeting you at the Canberra casino that time when you came up to me out of nowhere. I thought you were a genuinely good bloke. Shame to see about your struggles, but it's fantastic to see you're getting the help you need. Keep at it, mate.
Thought he was a good bloke upon approaching you yet thought I was going to punch you out?

**** you, man. **** you.

Good darts, by the way, Rob. Having a good crack at it and through some important steps, too.
You're **** slightly scary though! I'm not ashamed to admit that next time I'm having a beer with you (ANZAC Day weekend??) I'll be packing a blade.
Hahaha yep.

Looking forward to my six pack of Guinness, too. Fml

Good. You'll be drinking the whole thing too, while I hover menacingly, waving my blade around.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 12:30 pm

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha righto

Manbush · Post by **Manbush** » April 6, 2016, 12:59 pm

Begbie wrote:
When I was medicated the last time I was given ciltralopam. It has taken me 18 months and I can finally sleep for 4 hours unbroken, the dreams are still highly intense. I still fall asleep at my desk at work, please do not take citralopam. I wake up to a regular alarm, eat fruit etc. I do not meditate.

Most effective advice I've had for sleeping is still from my music teacher before my HSC, nice warm bath before bed with your favorite alcoholic beverage, so relaxing just knocks me out.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 1:00 pm

Manbush wrote:
Begbie wrote:
When I was medicated the last time I was given ciltralopam. It has taken me 18 months and I can finally sleep for 4 hours unbroken, the dreams are still highly intense. I still fall asleep at my desk at work, please do not take citralopam. I wake up to a regular alarm, eat fruit etc. I do not meditate.
Most effective advice I've had for sleeping is still from my music teacher before my HSC, nice warm bath before bed with your favorite alcoholic beverage, so relaxing just knocks me out.

So your advice for depression is alcohol?? Yeah, MUCH better than my meditation "crap"!! Good **** grief, Bushy.

simo · Post by **simo** » April 6, 2016, 1:04 pm

Yep, drink in the bath when your studying for your hsc. Its a bold strategy cotton

Green_Hammock · Post by **Green_Hammock** » April 6, 2016, 1:17 pm

I can sympathise with how you feel dubby. I hope things get better for you mate..
For me, it feels like no one cares and no one understands what I'm going through, so I often just don't say anything to anyone when I'm at my lowest to not seem like a whinger. I've also lost a lot of friends thanks to said incident a few months ago and I'm probably not the nicest person to be around at times. I'm at my GP now to talk over what I can do.

Raider Bell · Post by **Raider Bell** » April 6, 2016, 1:24 pm

simo wrote:Yep, drink in the bath when your studying for your hsc. Its a bold strategy cotton

Let's see if it pays off.

Shadow Boxer · Post by **Shadow Boxer** » April 6, 2016, 1:25 pm

Green_Hammock wrote:I can sympathise with how you feel dubby. I hope things get better for you mate..
For me, it feels like no one cares and no one understands what I'm going through, so I often just don't say anything to anyone when I'm at my lowest to not seem like a whinger. I've also lost a lot of friends thanks to said incident a few months ago and I'm probably not the nicest person to be around at times. I'm at my GP now to talk over what I can do.

Good luck with it mate, ill guarantee lots of people care, its good to let them if you can.

Raider Bell · Post by **Raider Bell** » April 6, 2016, 1:26 pm

Wait, what? I swear that is the first class on the first day in "How to groom a minor: 101". **** hell.

What school bushy? I just want to make sure my children never even hear of this forsaken place.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 1:27 pm

simo wrote:Yep, drink in the bath when your studying for your hsc. Its a bold strategy cotton

this **** guy!

I could drink anywhere and everywhere with Simo - the bath included!

**** cracks me up flat stick!

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » April 6, 2016, 1:30 pm

Wait... wait... so Manbush's HIGH SCHOOL teacher's advice to him is to drink alcohol in the bath, yet he scoffs at my suggestion of practicing meditation?!?

At a risk of sounding like SB here, that's me... I'm out.

Raider Bell · Post by **Raider Bell** » April 6, 2016, 1:34 pm

The Nickman wrote:Wait... wait... so Manbush's HIGH SCHOOL teacher's advice to him is to drink alcohol in the bath, yet he scoffs at my suggestion of practicing meditation?!?

At a risk of sounding like SB here, that's me... I'm out.

I love Bushy, I'm on record as saying I think he's a swell guy. But honestly, the most fairest of dinkums are required at the moment.

simo · Post by **simo** » April 6, 2016, 1:37 pm

Raider 85 wrote:
simo wrote:Yep, drink in the bath when your studying for your hsc. Its a bold strategy cotton
this **** guy!

I could drink anywhere and everywhere with Simo - the bath included!

**** cracks me up flat stick!

any time mate. Love a good bath

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 1:44 pm

Raider Bell wrote:
The Nickman wrote:Wait... wait... so Manbush's HIGH SCHOOL teacher's advice to him is to drink alcohol in the bath, yet he scoffs at my suggestion of practicing meditation?!?

At a risk of sounding like SB here, that's me... I'm out.
I love Bushy, I'm on record as saying I think he's a swell guy. But honestly, the most fairest of dinkums are required at the moment.

Oh , mate, they're required. Unfortunately my mind is now solely focussed on Jason Bateman, though. There could not have been a better time in the history of the planet to quote that.

Whilst I'm trying to gather myself, can you do me a solid and express for me the FOD?

Cheers

Manbush · Post by **Manbush** » April 6, 2016, 2:10 pm

Raider Bell wrote:Wait, what? I swear that is the first class on the first day in "How to groom a minor: 101". **** hell.

What school bushy? I just want to make sure my children never even hear of this forsaken place.

Would it surprise you it was a Catholic school

To be fair during HSC I was 18 and it was only one drink to help relax before sleep, worked a treat. I was mates with the teacher to so not sure if he would've given that advice to others, we'd always have a beer together if we saw each other at the pub on the weekend.

Nickman i know I should ignore you but for the record I didn't scoff at your advice I literally said I'd encourage people to try it, big difference.

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 3:59 pm

Manbush wrote:
Raider Bell wrote:Wait, what? I swear that is the first class on the first day in "How to groom a minor: 101". **** hell.

What school bushy? I just want to make sure my children never even hear of this forsaken place.
Would it surprise you it was a Catholic school

To be fair during HSC I was 18 and it was only one drink to help relax before sleep, worked a treat. I was mates with the teacher to so not sure if he would've given that advice to others, we'd always have a beer together if we saw each other at the pub on the weekend.

Nickman i know I should ignore you but for the record I didn't scoff at your advice I literally said I'd encourage people to try it, big difference.

It was a catholic school too?

you are the gift that keeps on giving, Bushy.

On your other point: It's not that you out and said that said strategy was useless, it was more than you couldn't just jump aboard the potential positives it could have. Instead, you sort of began outlining for us it's negative effects.

I mean, you fair dinkum did it with mindfulness, too - "I've seen it lead to psychosis". Mindfullness is a tool which can brilliantly assist people with anxiety and can also reconnect people more with reality.

I suppose, given the nature of the discussion which was driven by a young bloke seeking help, it might have been better to support the suggestions made based on how they can help, rather than whatever you've read on how they can't help.

Post by **dubby** » April 6, 2016, 4:12 pm

Everyone please lay off manbush.
This thread requires a bit of discretion, and stirring in a thread where people are trying to help, it's not really appropriate.
And it's kinda hypocrisy

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 4:22 pm

I think you'll find that message was given hours ago, and it was subscribed to as well.

Well, that was until in the context of discussing potential mental health remedies that Manbush suggested turn to alcohol.

i think this thread has been good, dubby. People have spoken from their hearts and have given some good advice. In doing so, I don't believe we have to be completely devoid of having a laugh. And when Manbush is being told by his teacher at a catholic school to have a drink in the bath before exams, it makes it somewhat hard not bang the lol emoticon.

I believe Manbush has thick skin. I also believe he doesn't mind having a laugh at himself also.

If I'm wrong, and I've been a part of attacking Manbush, then I'll put my hand up. But I don't think I have, so I certainly don't like be accused of it.

Let's not go nuts here.

Lots of love,

Professor

Professor · Post by **Professor** » April 6, 2016, 4:31 pm

One more thing, it would be good to hear from both Hammock and Dubby down the track if any of the boys' advice was helpful and whether or not you're in a better place.

Good stories, for mine, are ones where people overcome mental illness - it's a horrible thing.

Best of luck.

Manbush · Post by **Manbush** » April 6, 2016, 5:50 pm

Very thick skin mate and very comfortable with myself, while I don't really stir on here because I don't know you guys well enough so can be misinterpreted very easily in person I'm constantly stirring up mates so have to be able to take it. If you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at.

Ps R85, a few of the brothers that were there at my time have been prosecuted, thankfully though the music teacher wasn't a brother.

On depression I've watched my mum try to struggle through it since I was young, only thing that lifts her are her sons and grandchildren.