Depression and mental health

[Begbie]

Um, was supposed to be a joke, mate. I guess sarcasm doesn't translate across the Internet but I should of known that from previous attempts.

I cop the old black dog as much as anyone and self meditation and ringing up mates for a chat is the answer for me.

[Dr Zaius]

Haha you're not supposed to "think about stuff".

On the same token I find running on a treadmill for half an hour to be not exactly pleasant either but I do it for my physical health.

Why are we so prepared to look after our physical well-being yet we can't take ten or fifteen minutes a day to look after the mental side of things??

In my opinion that's MORE important.

Why don't you run outside?

[The Nickman]

Haha you're not supposed to "think about stuff".

On the same token I find running on a treadmill for half an hour to be not exactly pleasant either but I do it for my physical health.

Why are we so prepared to look after our physical well-being yet we can't take ten or fifteen minutes a day to look after the mental side of things??

In my opinion that's MORE important.

Why don't you run outside?

**** that, I know everybody in my neighbourhood. I'd spend most of the time having people yell **** at me or swerve their cars at me. Would be a horrible experience considering the fact I'm already sweating my guts out and in pain.

Treadmill at home means I can run and watch my favourite stories.

[Manbush]

Haha you're not supposed to "think about stuff".

On the same token I find running on a treadmill for half an hour to be not exactly pleasant either but I do it for my physical health.

Why are we so prepared to look after our physical well-being yet we can't take ten or fifteen minutes a day to look after the mental side of things??

In my opinion that's MORE important.

Agree it's more important but meditation isn't for everyone, some people it helps, some it doesn't have any effect and some it actually has a negative impact on, everyone's different mate.

[bonehead]

He said "meditation" bushy not "self medication"

[Manbush]

He said "meditation" bushy not "self medication"

I know and both while helping some can lead to psychosis in the small minority, everyone's wired differently, you've gotta learn what works for you as an individual.

[Toviii]

Are you sure meditation is actually a cause for psychosis, as apposed to being a coincidental finding in people who were already predisposed to developing psychosis (if that makes sense)?

[pickles]

Certain kinds of meditation or relaxation are not used for people with certain conditions. Guided imagery for example isn't used for people with psychosis and progressive muscle relaxation isn't used for people with anxiety.

Generally speaking though, mindfulness tends to be effective for most people and there are a wide range of ways to practice it.

[Manbush]

Yep was the cause. Meditation can affect the brain and like everything reacts differently with different people. I would encourage people to try it because some like Nickman absolutely swear by it but just be mindful of what happens, it's not for everyone.

Pickles mindfulness was one that I've seen can lead to psychosis.

[The Nickman]

This is classic Manbush. Sticks to some absolutely bogus **** claim that he read somewhere on google and completely ignores overwhelming evidence to the contrary

Here's a ball, Bushy, run along outside and bounce it

[The Nickman]

He would've read one **** article somewhere once and now he's a world expert in "be careful trying meditation, it's not for everyone"

[Manbush]

**** off Nickman, research it, yes it works for you and a lot of other people but it's not for everyone that's a simple fact.

For the record please note I did encourage people to try it as a lot of people swear by it, but like anything that can affect the brain you should pay attention to the effects it's having on you as everyone is different.

[The Nickman]

What, research it by typing "negative affects of meditation" into Google??

Yeah righto pal. Why don't you do the same thing for exercise, fruit and sunshine while you're at it?? I'm sure you'll be able to assemble enough proof of the detrimental effects of all of those things!

[The Nickman]

While you're at it, how about you provide us with another doctrine about how cannabis is great for your health, cures all health problems and leads to a happy existence??

[Professor]

Aside from you two once again telling each other to get ****, there's some good responses in here for Hammock.

Nice show of support, boys.

[Manbush]

Getting a bit antsy there mate, it's ok it's not real if you're not aware of it.

Questions

1: Can meditationg affect the brain?
2: Can a hallucinogenic drug (similar to magic mushies) be released from the pineal gland during meditation?

But nah no chance of it having a negative affect on a small minority.

The responsible thing when dealing with anything that affects the brain is to be aware.

[The Nickman]

Mate, we're giving **** advice to somebody who asked for **** help regarding depression and you've come bounding in with your typical **** Bull about nothing. Do you think Hammock has probably had too many mushrooms?? Do you think that's his issue??

[Professor]

I have to say, and I don't usually subscribe to spraying Manbush from the cheap seats, but Nick's above post is bang on.

A bloke has sort advice. From that has come all sorts of advice - none of which is wrong - and now we're discussing dope again, in the same breath as meditation?

Come on now, Bushy. Give it a rest, mate.

[The Nickman]

Like I could Google negatives for exercise and find countless cases of people having heart attacks while jogging.

Should I then come in here and go "Careful though mate, exercise isn't for everybody"?? No, because I'm not a complete **** **** who for some reason thinks he's some kind of maverick genius who thinks outside the square!!

[simo]

I can give you a thousand negatives of exercise and all of them would revolve around a decrease to my drinking time. Lets not turn this into debate club. It's depression and from my limited knowledge on the subject i know for a fact there is no one answer so the more ideas the better.

[The Nickman]

I can give you a thousand negatives of exercise and all of them would revolve around a decrease to my drinking time. Lets not turn this into debate club. It's depression and from my limited knowledge on the subject i know for a fact there is no one answer so the more ideas the better.

I dunno mate, there's a study I found on Google that said ideas can be bad for certain people. I wouldn't recommend them.

[T_R]

Yeah, time for some self regulation in this thread. Bushy, please just drop it. This is not the place for an argument that doesn't need to be won.

[The Nickman]

My apologies to everybody, Green_Hammock in particular. All I want to say from here, is from someone who ACTUALLY knows what he's talking about, give meditation a crack, mate.

PM me if you want any further advice offline.

[gerg]

As a matter of fact there is an alarming number of heart attack victims from running. It is a bit of a 'mid life crisis' thing with a bucket load of middle age people and above (myself included) who suddenly get the desire to run marathons and as a result push the limits too far.

But on topic I agree with what others have said - good healthy foods, exercise within your limits, fresh air and vitamin D, sex, laughter, meditation (as noted previously by me probably in this thread - I practice Tai chi 5 times a week ranging from 10 minutes to 3 + hours each session and like Nickman I can't imagine my life without it) and medication can all help. The best approach is to find what makes you happy and works for you and stick with it. Another common area that men tend to overlook or aren't willing to address is alcohol consumption.

[Green_Hammock]

Thanks for the advice everyone. Lots of good blokes on this forum.

[Manbush]

I have to say, and I don't usually subscribe to spraying Manbush from the cheap seats, but Nick's above post is bang on.

A bloke has sort advice. From that has come all sorts of advice - none of which is wrong - and now we're discussing dope again, in the same breath as meditation?

Come on now, Bushy. Give it a rest, mate.

Mate I did a short polite post about how meditation is not for everyone and can have an adverse effect on some because Nickman banged on about how he can't believe people don't do it. Nickmans the one who has turned it ugly and about dope not me.

Recommending caution with anything that can affect the brain is good advice that's all I did.

[Manbush]

Yeah, time for some self regulation in this thread. Bushy, please just drop it. This is not the place for an argument that doesn't need to be won.

TR but no offense but **** off and look at who started the ****, I'll drop it now but seriously point the finger where it's due, my advice was caution.

[T_R]

Thank you everyone for keeping the thread on track. Taking good advice, I'll now **** off.

[Professor]

I have to say, and I don't usually subscribe to spraying Manbush from the cheap seats, but Nick's above post is bang on.

A bloke has sort advice. From that has come all sorts of advice - none of which is wrong - and now we're discussing dope again, in the same breath as meditation?

Come on now, Bushy. Give it a rest, mate.

Mate I did a short polite post about how meditation is not for everyone and can have an adverse effect on some because Nickman banged on about how he can't believe people don't do it. Nickmans the one who has turned it ugly and about dope not me.

Recommending caution with anything that can affect the brain is good advice that's all I did.

I don't want to engage in an argument with you about this. I just can't believe you pulled up Nick's suggestion - well, cautioned it. There's no right or wrongs here, and there's no one answer. Moreover, I'm sure Hammock will at some point raise many of these suggestions with his doctor with view of determining which one/s best suit him.

Anyway, like T_R (I think) said, there's no arguments to be won on this subject - well, there shouldn't be.

Just some good old advice, support and love for old mate Hammock will suffice.

[The Nickman]

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[dubby]

Let's just drop the pointless debate, and agree to disagree

I've personally been through a bloody tough few years and struggling to come to grips with it.

No one thing is a universal and guaranteed answer. I do believe that exercise, diet is crucial. And avoid heavy drinking.

You need good people around you, avoid those who throw cheap shots from the sidelines

Depression will tell you no one cares. And frankly, not many people do. I've found that the hardest part is finding someone to talk to, because it's very draining and emotional. It requires constant support and assistance because each day is different.

That's where I've battled. That's why I'm so tired, exhausted and frankly don't enjoy life. I'm down, I feel broken, beat and devoid of hope and help

But I get up and keep going somehow.

My posting online for years has been indicative of my mental health

I've felt so unlike myself and the loss of confidence and surety I used to have is hard to comprehend

I don't even know anymore.

I feel alone, ashamed and weak.

I could go on, but frankly I think I've said enough


If I've appeared like a sooky, whiny little baby over the years I hope you now understand why.

Because I just don't know anymore. When you're joy is gone and you don't really enjoy the things you used to, it's hard to find sense and reason

[The Nickman]

Let's just drop the pointless debate, and agree to disagree

I've personally been through a bloody tough few years and struggling to come to grips with it.

No one thing is a universal and guaranteed answer. I do believe that exercise, diet is crucial. And avoid heavy drinking.

You need good people around you, avoid those who throw cheap shots from the sidelines

Depression will tell you no one cares. And frankly, not many people do. I've found that the hardest part is finding someone to talk to, because it's very draining and emotional. It requires constant support and assistance because each day is different.

That's where I've battled. That's why I'm so tired, exhausted and frankly don't enjoy life. I'm down, I feel broken, beat and devoid of hope and help

But I get up and keep going somehow.

My posting online for years has been indicative of my mental health

I've felt so unlike myself and the loss of confidence and surety I used to have is hard to comprehend

I don't even know anymore.

I feel alone, ashamed and weak.

I could go on, but frankly I think I've said enough


If I've appeared like a sooky, whiny little baby over the years I hope you now understand why.

Because I just don't know anymore. When you're joy is gone and you don't really enjoy the things you used to, it's hard to find sense and reason

Have you tried meditation, dubs?? I agree that exercise and diet are crucial, but just learning to calm and control your thoughts can have significant ramifications for your outlook on life, and indeed, eventually your life itself. Sunshine (as you've seen already) is another one I swear by. Just twenty minutes a day in the sun can add a feeling of inner peace, I've found, and if you're time poor why not try combining the two??

I know a lot of the "cheap seats" comments there may be aimed in my general direction, but if you ever need someone to talk to offline, you know where to find me. Nobody should ever suffer alone or feel like nobody cares.

[Professor]

Let's just drop the pointless debate, and agree to disagree

I've personally been through a bloody tough few years and struggling to come to grips with it.

No one thing is a universal and guaranteed answer. I do believe that exercise, diet is crucial. And avoid heavy drinking.

You need good people around you, avoid those who throw cheap shots from the sidelines

Depression will tell you no one cares. And frankly, not many people do. I've found that the hardest part is finding someone to talk to, because it's very draining and emotional. It requires constant support and assistance because each day is different.

That's where I've battled. That's why I'm so tired, exhausted and frankly don't enjoy life. I'm down, I feel broken, beat and devoid of hope and help

But I get up and keep going somehow.

My posting online for years has been indicative of my mental health

I've felt so unlike myself and the loss of confidence and surety I used to have is hard to comprehend

I don't even know anymore.

I feel alone, ashamed and weak.

I could go on, but frankly I think I've said enough


If I've appeared like a sooky, whiny little baby over the years I hope you now understand why.

Because I just don't know anymore. When you're joy is gone and you don't really enjoy the things you used to, it's hard to find sense and reason

You should be seeing a doctor yourself, and ASAP.

Not good, Dubby. Put some steps in place with view of remedying the situation in which you're placed. You'll get there - one step at a time.

Good luck, mate.

[dubby]

Not aiming at you specially nickman.

I do my own faith based meditation. And yes, I love a good swing in the hammock in the evening sun.

[Begbie]

Getting a bit antsy there mate, it's ok it's not real if you're not aware of it.

Questions

1: Can meditationg affect the brain?
2: Can a hallucinogenic drug (similar to magic mushies) be released from the pineal gland during meditation?

But nah no chance of it having a negative affect on a small minority.

The responsible thing when dealing with anything that affects the brain is to be aware.

When I was medicated the last time I was given ciltralopam. It has taken me 18 months and I can finally sleep for 4 hours unbroken, the dreams are still highly intense. I still fall asleep at my desk at work, please do not take citralopam. I wake up to a regular alarm, eat fruit etc. I do not meditate.