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So its ok if people get falsely accused because their only a minority?

Doesnt matter if its man on man, woman on woman, male on woman or woman on male, rape is never ok and falsely accusing someone of rape isnt ok either, both will rune peoples lives and neither should be ok'd with


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Elcaptcroker wrote: March 19, 2021, 1:10 pm So its ok if people get falsely accused because their only a minority?

Doesnt matter if its man on man, woman on woman, male on woman or woman on male, rape is never ok and falsely accusing someone of rape isnt ok either, both will rune peoples lives and neither should be ok'd with
At absolutely no point in that post, or even this thread has ANYONE said falsely accusations of rape is OK.

It is exceedingly rare for a legitimate accusation to achieve a conviction, due to the nature of these cases. It is rarer still that a false accusation achieve a conviction.

Does it happen? Yes.
Is that ok? No.

False accusations are estimated to be about 5%. Approximately 10% of sexual assault cases result in a conviction. So that means across 1000 accusations of sexual assault:

- Approximately 950 of them are legitimate accusations
- Approximately 50 of them are false accusations
- Of those 950 legitimate victims of sexual assault, 95 will see their perpetrator convicted, leaving 850 perpetrators unconvicted and unpunished.
- Of those 50 falsely accused of sexual assault, 45 of them will not be convicted, leaving 5 people falsely convicted and wrongly punished.

That's some quick, dirty maths for you, but also undoubtedly the worst case scenario. Proving a legitimate rape case is very difficult, so logically proving one that isn't legitimate is going to be substantially harder, given the evidence is not likely to support the prosecution, which logically means the conviction rate in false accusations is almost certainly nothing near as high as 10%. So that number of falsely convicted is in all likelihood much closer to 1, not 5.

So now we have some quick and dirty figures... you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that the an issue that has short term impacts for 50 falsely accused people, and has long term impacts for at worst 5 of them and likely much less... that issue should command as much attention and is as bad an issue for society as the one that has long term impacts for 950 people who have made legitimate accusations?

Because if that is what you're trying to argue, then apologies for my language but you're, and I can not stress this enough, a **** idiot.
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Botman wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote: March 19, 2021, 1:10 pm So its ok if people get falsely accused because their only a minority?

Doesnt matter if its man on man, woman on woman, male on woman or woman on male, rape is never ok and falsely accusing someone of rape isnt ok either, both will rune peoples lives and neither should be ok'd with
At absolutely no point in that post, or even this thread has ANYONE said falsely accusations of rape is OK.

It is exceedingly rare for a legitimate accusation to achieve a conviction, due to the nature of these cases. It is rarer still that a false accusation achieve a conviction.

Does it happen? Yes.
Is that ok? No.

False accusations are estimated to be about 5%. Approximately 10% of sexual assault cases result in a conviction. So that means across 1000 accusations of sexual assault:

- Approximately 950 of them are legitimate accusations
- Approximately 50 of them are false accusations
- Of those 950 legitimate victims of sexual assault, 95 will see their perpetrator convicted, leaving 850 perpetrators unconvicted and unpunished.
- Of those 50 falsely accused of sexual assault, 45 of them will not be convicted, leaving 5 people falsely convicted and wrongly punished.

That's some quick, dirty maths for you, but also undoubtedly the worst case scenario. Proving a legitimate rape case is very difficult, so logically proving one that isn't legitimate is going to be substantially harder, given the evidence is not likely to support the prosecution, which logically means the conviction rate in false accusations is almost certainly nothing near as high as 10%. So that number of falsely convicted is in all likelihood much closer to 1, not 5.

So now we have some quick and dirty figures... you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that the an issue that has short term impacts for 50 falsely accused people, and has long term impacts for at worst 5 of them and likely much less... that issue should command as much attention and is as bad an issue for society as the one that has long term impacts for 950 people who have made legitimate accusations?

Because if that is what you're trying to argue, then apologies for my language but you're, and I can not stress this enough, a **** idiot.
What ive said all along is rape and falsely accusing of rape are just as bad as each other, you lot can disagree as much as you want but hey not everyone has to have the same Opinion now do we.
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Elcaptcroker wrote: March 19, 2021, 2:55 pm What ive said all along is rape and falsely accusing of rape are just as bad as each other, you lot can disagree as much as you want but hey not everyone has to have the same Opinion now do we.
What i've said and explained is that from a societal POV, that 10,000 feet level of what issues really need to be focused on and addressed, the two are simply not comparable in any way shape or form for any reasonable, rational human being.
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Jarryd Hayne found guilty of sexual assault

Former footballer Jarryd Hayne has been found guilty of sexually assaulting a woman at her Newcastle home.

Hayne, 33, faced trial in the NSW District Court on two counts of aggravated sexual intercourse without consent, recklessly inflicting actual bodily harm, after he assaulted the 26-year-old woman with his hands and mouth and left her bleeding from the genitals in September 2018.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/jar ... 57bh6.html
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Elcaptcroker wrote: March 19, 2021, 2:55 pm
Botman wrote:
Elcaptcroker wrote: March 19, 2021, 1:10 pm So its ok if people get falsely accused because their only a minority?

Doesnt matter if its man on man, woman on woman, male on woman or woman on male, rape is never ok and falsely accusing someone of rape isnt ok either, both will rune peoples lives and neither should be ok'd with
At absolutely no point in that post, or even this thread has ANYONE said falsely accusations of rape is OK.

It is exceedingly rare for a legitimate accusation to achieve a conviction, due to the nature of these cases. It is rarer still that a false accusation achieve a conviction.

Does it happen? Yes.
Is that ok? No.

False accusations are estimated to be about 5%. Approximately 10% of sexual assault cases result in a conviction. So that means across 1000 accusations of sexual assault:

- Approximately 950 of them are legitimate accusations
- Approximately 50 of them are false accusations
- Of those 950 legitimate victims of sexual assault, 95 will see their perpetrator convicted, leaving 850 perpetrators unconvicted and unpunished.
- Of those 50 falsely accused of sexual assault, 45 of them will not be convicted, leaving 5 people falsely convicted and wrongly punished.

That's some quick, dirty maths for you, but also undoubtedly the worst case scenario. Proving a legitimate rape case is very difficult, so logically proving one that isn't legitimate is going to be substantially harder, given the evidence is not likely to support the prosecution, which logically means the conviction rate in false accusations is almost certainly nothing near as high as 10%. So that number of falsely convicted is in all likelihood much closer to 1, not 5.

So now we have some quick and dirty figures... you're honestly going to sit here and tell me that the an issue that has short term impacts for 50 falsely accused people, and has long term impacts for at worst 5 of them and likely much less... that issue should command as much attention and is as bad an issue for society as the one that has long term impacts for 950 people who have made legitimate accusations?

Because if that is what you're trying to argue, then apologies for my language but you're, and I can not stress this enough, a **** idiot.
What ive said all along is rape and falsely accusing of rape are just as bad as each other, you lot can disagree as much as you want but hey not everyone has to have the same Opinion now do we.
Pretty sure you said false rape accusations are very common but the facts just don't support your argument.
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zim wrote:Jarryd Hayne found guilty of sexual assault

Former footballer Jarryd Hayne has been found guilty of sexually assaulting a woman at her Newcastle home.

Hayne, 33, faced trial in the NSW District Court on two counts of aggravated sexual intercourse without consent, recklessly inflicting actual bodily harm, after he assaulted the 26-year-old woman with his hands and mouth and left her bleeding from the genitals in September 2018.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/jar ... 57bh6.html
Sandra Sully just described Hayne as “NRL Star-turned Sex offender”

Made it sound like it was a career change
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well he's not an nrl player anymore

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Good news. The bloke has serious issues.
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As soon as he’s in Jail I’m giving him a new nickname. “The Hayne Detain”.

Or maybe “Haynee Detainee”.
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The Silverwater footy team to announce a major signing..
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Who have they signed?
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I'm quite sure Hayne's attitude during the trial did not help his case. He came off incredibly arrogant and entitled.

I'm glad for the victim's sake that she's got some form of justice, though I hope she has a strong support team around her for the inevitable appeal.

In the meantime, it would seem he's going to jail - it remains to be seen for how long but it is never long enough.
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-PJ- wrote:The Silverwater footy team to announce a major signing..
What does the NRL inmate team look like now

01. Jarryd Hayne
02. Brett Dallas
03. Jason Bulgarelli
04. Matt Seers
05. Joe Killroy
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08. Russell Packer
09. Anthony Watts
10. Matt Lodge
11. Manu Mau
12. John Elias
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14.
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16. Jason Williams
17. Aukuso Junior Paulo
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
-PJ- wrote:The Silverwater footy team to announce a major signing..
What does the NRL inmate team look like now

01. Jarryd Hayne
02.
03. Jason Bulgarelli
04.
05.
06.
07.
08. Russell Packer
09. Anthony Watts
10. Matt Lodge
11.
12.
13.

14.
15. Danny Wicks
16. Jason Williams
17.
**** hell, Fui!

You’re missing captain/coach Craig Field!
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The Nickman wrote: March 23, 2021, 10:20 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
-PJ- wrote:The Silverwater footy team to announce a major signing..
What does the NRL inmate team look like now

01. Jarryd Hayne
02.
03. Jason Bulgarelli
04.
05.
06.
07. Craig Field (C)
08. Russell Packer
09. Anthony Watts
10. Matt Lodge
11.
12.
13.

14.
15. Danny Wicks
16. Jason Williams
17.
**** hell, Fui!

You’re missing captain/coach Craig Field!
How dumb of me! Updated. I have heard the Inmate squad is keeping a keen eye on the Michael Gordon situation, after being disappointed at being unable to sign Jason Smith
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Brett Dallas would add some real pace to that side.
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Pre NRL, but John Elias deserves consideration.

Manu Ma'u and Elias could complete that second row.
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Martin Kennedy at lock...wildlife smuggling. Yikes. :lol:
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Get Matt Seers on the other wing!


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That's a good one!
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Smokin' Joe Kilroy?
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All updated. The inmate selectors got excited for a moment thinking Chris Dawson was available, but it looks like he’s not eligible yet.
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: March 25, 2021, 6:26 pm All updated. The inmate selectors got excited for a moment thinking Chris Dawson was available, but it looks like he’s not eligible yet.
You could slot Paul Hayward into the halves. He played halfback for the Jets in the 70s and got busted for drug smuggling in Thailand, trying to import heroin into Australia.
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Is there a back row spot for JDB if things don’t go to well in April ?
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-PJ- wrote:Is there a back row spot for JDB if things don’t go to well in April ?
Speculation Fainu might be signed as Utility off the bench

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ARLC gives approval in principle for 18th player

The Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) today met and gave approval in principle for NRL clubs to activate an 18th player when three players from a team have failed HIA Tests. The rule will commence from Round 5 of the NRL Telstra Premiership season.

The Commission agreed the 18th player must be an emerging player. Before introducing the new measure, the ARLC will consult with the RLPA, Clubs and coaches. Included in the consultation will be the definition of an emerging player. Further, amendments may be made to the measure after such consultation.

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ARLC Chairman Peter V’landys AM said the Commission had listened to players and clubs.

“This is a dynamic environment. As a Commission we have always said we would be agile in changing rules when it is in the best interests of the game and this is one of those examples,’’ he said.

“We see this as an opportunity to give an emerging player a taste of first grade rugby league in their team’s time of need. The 18th player will also have to be rotated weekly so you don’t have a young player missing out on playing lower grades every week.”

“All fans agree we don’t want to see a situation where a club is left with one player on the bench and this rule change will provide insurance for all clubs. It will also only be activated in the most dire of circumstances for a club, so we don’t see it having a material impact on games every week.”

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This is more poor decision making by the ARLC. First, it is reactionary and rushed. Second, it does nothing to address the problems of player welfare that we saw on the weekend. The hurdle of three HIAs is so high, that it is a rule that will virtually never been used. There's only been one club that has had three HIAs in a match since the start of last year. Third, an "emerging player" has no place making what is likely his NRL debut in such a game and such an environment. In addition, what's the point of paying for an 18th man to be transported etc etc to games... when there is virtually no hope of that player, playing. And stopping them from playing footy?
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I don’t understand why they just don’t introduce a mandatory stand down period like they use in NSW cup. If your player fails the HIA you are welcome to use an 18th man but the injured player must sit out for 10 days ( it is 14 in NSW cup).

If the 18th man was going to make that much of a difference they would be in the 17 in the first place.


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Yup at some point in the very near future mandatory stand downs are going to happen, if you suffer a concussion you're going to miss games. Just bring it in now and let that player be replaced mid game
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So the player has to be an “emerging player”

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-PJ- wrote:So the player has to be an “emerging player”

Enter stage left Joseph Suaalii.
Hooper was saying on Back Page the Roosters are toying with moving Teddy to 5/8, Brett Morris to FB, and free up a wing/centre spot for Suaalii.
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
-PJ- wrote:So the player has to be an “emerging player”

Enter stage left Joseph Suaalii.
Hooper was saying on Back Page the Roosters are toying with moving Teddy to 5/8, Brett Morris to FB, and free up a wing/centre spot for Suaalii.
Would eg they just move Manu to 5/8


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greeneyed wrote: March 30, 2021, 7:00 pm This is more poor decision making by the ARLC. First, it is reactionary and rushed. Second, it does nothing to address the problems of player welfare that we saw on the weekend. The hurdle of three HIAs is so high, that it is a rule that will virtually never been used. There's only been one club that has had three HIAs in a match since the start of last year. Third, an "emerging player" has no place making what is likely his NRL debut in such a game and such an environment. In addition, what's the point of paying for an 18th man to be transported etc etc to games... when there is virtually no hope of that player, playing. And stopping them from playing footy?
Its a meaningless half... maybe quarter step?
Just a ineffective solution to a pretty easy to solve problem
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Rick wrote: March 31, 2021, 7:35 am
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
-PJ- wrote:So the player has to be an “emerging player”

Enter stage left Joseph Suaalii.
Hooper was saying on Back Page the Roosters are toying with moving Teddy to 5/8, Brett Morris to FB, and free up a wing/centre spot for Suaalii.
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Yeah that would be insane to move Teddy... just play Manu at 5/8th, he can handle that role, and Suaalii just comes straight in to replace him
Gives Manu and Sam Walker a good crutch to play too as well
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