If you were Seibold, fix the Broncos roster

Post by **Matt** » September 18, 2019, 9:24 pm

I posed a very similar post to this in regards to the Titans this year, but how often does a 'glamour club' hit this kind of road block?

We have all seen the news around the Broncos in the past 24-48hrs regarding the pokies and the fire sale on the roster. So, if you are Seibold what do you do with the roster? I admit, I suspect its a pretty similar answer to Titans, but lets see.

What do you do with the roster for next year?
What is your Round 1 team in 2020?

Bronco's top 30 in contract order:
Andre Savelio* (early transfer to Hull FC - not sure who came into the Top 30)

Alex Glenn > Off Con. 2019 [contract tabled, but not confirmed]
Corey Oates > Off Con. 2019
George Fai > Off Con. 2019
Izaia Perese > Off Con. 2019
Patrick Mago > Off Con. 2019
Richie Kennar > Off Con. 2019
Sam Tagataese > Off Con. 2019
Shaun Fensom > Off Con. 2019
James Segeyaro (mid season in) > Off Con. 2019

Andrew McCullough > Off Con. 2020 + 1 club favor
Anthony Milford > Off Con. 2020 + 1 club favor {rumored 1 million a yr}
Darius Boyd > Off Con. 2020 + 1 club favor {rumored 800K a yr}
David Fifita > Off Con. 2020 [apparently asking for 1 million a yr]
Gehamat Shibasaki > Off Con. 2020
Jack Bird > Off Con. 2020 {rumored 800K a yr}
Kotoni Staggs > Off Con. 2020
Rhys Kennedy* (swap with Jaydn Su'a mid season to Bunnies) > Off Con. 2020
Sean O'Sullivan > Off Con. 2020
Thomas Flegler > Off Con. 2020
Troy Dargan >>> Signed with Bunnies for 2020

Tom Dearden* (replaced Kodi Nikorima mid season to Warriors) > Off Con. 2021
Xavier Coates* (replaced James Roberts mid season to Bunnies) > Off Con. 2021

Jamayne Isaako > Off Con. 2022
Joe Ofahengaue > Re-signed Til 2022
Matt Gillett > Off Con. 2022
Matthew Lodge > Re-signed Til 2022
Patrick Carrigan > Re-signed Til 2022
Tevita Pangai Jr > Re-signed Til 2022

Payne Haas > Off Con. 2024

Development Players:
Cory Paix - debuted this yr > Re-signed Til 2022
Ethan Bullemor
Herbie Farnworth - debuted this yr > Off Con. 2019
Ilikena Vudogo
Jake Turpin - debuted this yr (upgraded to Top 30 this yr? Or next?) > Re-signed Til 2022
Tanah Boyd >>> Signed with Titans for 2020

Not sure:
Fanitesi Niu
Keenan Palasia

gerg · Post by **gerg** » September 18, 2019, 9:30 pm

Let me be the first to say, **** the Broncos.

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Post by **Matt** » September 18, 2019, 10:01 pm

Im cutting most of those 2019 guys, keeping only Seggy, Perese, 1 of Fai or Mago (depth) and maybe Glenn, if the price is right.

Im shopping Boyd, Bird and McCullough. Im happy to take up to a 50% cap hit on the latter two, and if I have to, and very tempted to take the 800K hit on Boyd. Though I might just have to sit him in QLD Cup all yr.

Boyd and Bird - there are numerous outside backs off contract in 2019 that could do a job, at half the price - Hymel Hunt, Jai Field, Brad Takarangi, Jordan Kahu, Mawene Hiroti, Matt Ikuvalu.
OR
Chase a back who is struggling to start, but will still likely come cheaper, like at the backs at Dragons, one of Zac Lomax, Euan Aiken, Mikaele Ravalawa, Tim Lafia, or Storm, Curtis Scott, Marios Seve, Justin Olam, or Tigers, Esan Marsters, Paul Momirovski, Robert Jennings.

McCullough is just showing signs of wear and tear, so look for youth a Billy Brittian at Souths or Harry Grant at Storm, who are both very highly thought of, but stuck behind Top 3 hookers, and in Grants case 2 Smiths.

Round 1:

1. Milford
2. Farnsworth/ Perese/ Coates - let the rookies win the job
3. Staggs
4. Jesse Arthars (bought from Titans)
5. Isaako
6. Dearden/ O'Sullivan - let pre season sort this out - wildcard, if Corey Paix impressed, and outplayed these two, Milford to 6, Paix to 1.
7. Ash Taylor in a trade for Jack Bird OR Aidan Sezer OR Brodie Croft
8. Haas
9. Turpin
10. Lodge
11. Fifita
12. Gillett
13. TPJ

14. Seggy
15. Flegler
16. Ofa
17. Carrigan

zim · Post by **zim** » September 18, 2019, 10:11 pm

Boyd and Macca in reserve grade. No real money to do anything special till 2020 when Boyd, Bird and Macca will be off. Once that happens you can pretty much do whatever you want. That's a lot of cash.

Round 1. Not running a bench full of reserve graders. Carrigan starts to allow some balance. Gillett assumed to be better after a pre-season. Lack of depth in the roster pretty much forces him to be in the side somewhere.
By round 6 you probably see TPJ start at lock instead of Carrigan as he's now match fit.

1. Jesse Arthars
2. Jamayne Isaako
3. Kotoni Staggs
4. Jack Bird
5. Xavier Coates
6. Anthony Milford
7. Tom Dearden
8. Matthew Lodge
9. Jake Turpin
10. Payne Haas
11. Alex Glenn (c)
12. David Fifita
13. Patrick Carrigan

14. James Segeyaro
15. Matt Gillett
16. Tevita Pangai Jr
17. Joe Ofahengaue

Organised Chaos · Post by **Organised Chaos** » September 18, 2019, 10:33 pm

gergreg wrote:Let me be the first to say, **** the Broncos.

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Second this motion, no suggestions on fixing them... hope they get desperate and spend the next decade rebuilding!

They remind me of brat born with a silver spoon in his/her mouth.

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The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » September 18, 2019, 10:35 pm

God, both those teams you guys have listed absolutely **** STINK.

I love it

Dr Zaius · Post by **Dr Zaius** » September 18, 2019, 10:47 pm

I wouldn't change a thing. They are perfect just the way they are.

zim · Post by **zim** » September 18, 2019, 11:13 pm

The Rickman wrote: ↑September 18, 2019, 10:35 pm God, both those teams you guys have listed absolutely **** STINK.

I love it

Top 8 sides if this season is anything to go by

. Rest of the league should be embarrassed.

Organised Chaos · Post by **Organised Chaos** » September 18, 2019, 11:35 pm

zim wrote:
The Rickman wrote: ↑September 18, 2019, 10:35 pm God, both those teams you guys have listed absolutely **** STINK.

I love it
Top 8 sides if this season is anything to go by . Rest of the league should be embarrassed.

Like last season, lucked in or got help... been that way for a little while.

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afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » September 19, 2019, 4:12 am

Too much effort to do this properly or to be realistic for 2020, but basically:

- Find a way to dump Boyd, Bird, and McCullough

- Sign a quality replacement fullback and hooker

- Shift Milford back to 5/8

- Too overstocked with quality forwards, dump at least 2 for cheaper alternatives

- Sign a quality outside back

-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » September 19, 2019, 7:01 am

I'm backing gergreg and Zaius comments.

I'm in a good head space right now and couldn't be happier the Donks are carp..

julian87 · Post by **julian87** » September 19, 2019, 7:39 am

I hope Darius **** them and backs up to play next year. He’s the worst player in the competition by some margin now.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » September 19, 2019, 7:41 am

julian87 wrote:I hope Darius **** them and backs up to play next year. He’s the worst player in the competition by some margin now.

It’s **** brilliant too, isn’t it? And broncos legends everywhere are calling for him to retire while every single broncos fan I know absolutely hates him... it’s just incredible stuff

gerg · Post by **gerg** » September 19, 2019, 7:58 am

They'll convince him to retire. Those ashtray cleaning jobs pay well at Broncos league's club.

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TongueFTW · Post by **TongueFTW** » September 19, 2019, 7:59 am

The Broncos are such a horribly balanced side - they were extremely lucky to make the 8, as this year there was a huge gap between the Top 6 and the rest. Their roster management has been horrible. They are spending 1m on Milford, 800K on Boyd and 800K on Bird. You would say they are getting about 500K in value from these 3 combined (with Milford playing like a 500K player). That puts them behind the 8 ball immediately - in the salary cap era, it is all about players who play over their pay grade. They have then compounded the issue by spending way too much of their cap on forwards. Generally speaking - it is much, much easier to find a forward play over their value than it is a playmaker. The NRL premiers have generally been teams with a gun spine (usually 2 or 3 out of 4 players), forwards who will do a job, and a game breaker or two in the backs.

The way they have managed their young forwards has been horrible, too. Look at what the Raiders have done with Horsburgh, Guler and Young - given very simple roles off the bench to support the more experienced forwards around them. The Broncos have made 2 teenagers the focal point of their pack. They are good with the ball, but defensively it takes a while to learn the ins and outs.

Post by **T_R** » September 19, 2019, 8:55 am

Lost cause. Relocate them to Perth and start again.

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Post by **Matt** » September 19, 2019, 9:04 am

T_R wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 8:55 am Lost cause. Relocate them to Perth and start again.

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yeh raiders · Post by **yeh raiders** » September 19, 2019, 9:27 am

Ego and club culture is the biggest issue at the Broncos.

Most of the roster are capable first graders, with the exception of Darius Boyd and they're really lacking a halfback. Funny because they had Hunt and Nikorima. Neither are elite level half's, but both a significant upgrade on what they currently have.

Seibold is still very much unproven as a coach. He did well at Souths with a roster containing 3 Burgess boys, Damien Cook and Cameron Murray. If you can't get that forward pack rolling, you shouldn't be coaching.

This is a good challenge for him.

Edit: **** the Broncos.

Manbush · Post by **Manbush** » September 19, 2019, 12:56 pm

Take out insurance on their HQ and burn it down.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm

I would go to the head office, tell them what im about to embark on is going to be really hard, and a bit a long road but will certainly lead to multiple premierships, but to do it i need confidence that im going to be able to see my plan out, and i'll need a 2-3 year extension on top of my current 4 years left, and a pay increase

once that is secured, i would re-sign Darius Boyd for 4 years at big money. He's playing halfback for me. Anthony Milford would be reupped with the club with a major pay increase, and bulked up and moved to hooker to solve my woes there. Jack Bird would be moved into fullback long term. im making him the highest paid player in the NRL. Im very confident in him doing exactly what i want from him in this spot.

Haas and TPJ would be shopped around, too top heavy in the pack.
Staggs doesnt fit in with my plans either, so he's going to be shopped also. Time to move on from Glenn too, new era of Broncos football.

With freed up cap space, id be looking at grabbing Sam Williams to pair up with Darius Boyd in the halves, i'd bring back Lachlan Maranta on about 500k a year for 4 years to be my centre. I'd look at guys like Rapana and Brett Morris and offer them up long, big money term deals to sort out my outside backs problem. Corey Oates would be moved to the back row. Lodge would be my captain.
I really like Isaako and i want to get him move involved, he'll play this year off the bench as my utility, but long term he's going to play along side Boyd in the halves

My team:

1. Bird
2. Morris
3. Maranta
4. Arthars
5. Rapana
6. Williams
7. Boyd
8. Lodge (c)
9. Milford
10. Fifita
11. Oates
12. Gillett
13. Carrigan

14. Issako
15. Shibasaki
16. Farnworth
17. Ofahengaue

We'd start the 2020 season under cooked in terms of our fitness and having done zero defensive work. We're focused on attacking football.
We'd start out 0-12, the players would revolt, i'd be sacked, and paid out of my 7 year contract, and the Broncos would be **** for a decade, if not longer once i sunk my claws into their junior system and alienated all the relationships there.

And then i retire somewhere South of the boarder and never pay for a beer again in my life

Post by **Matt** » September 19, 2019, 1:26 pm

I love it how people thought this scenario when looking at the trash that is the Titans, but here its just torch the joint

zim · Post by **zim** » September 19, 2019, 2:57 pm

Partly it's because of the players and contracts involved. Gillett, Boyd, Macca, and Bird can't be bullied into anything. They're past or incumbent rep players that are going to get paid and would still believe they can turn it around regardless of what they're being told. Plus coming from the broncos you're less likely to settle for the Titans. Coming from the Titans, well, anywhere else will do.

Bird is probably the only player you could move on without having to take up 2/3+ of his deal.

BJ · Post by BJ » September 19, 2019, 3:10 pm

PigRickman wrote:I would go to the head office, tell them what im about to embark on is going to be really hard, and a bit a long road but will certainly lead to multiple premierships, but to do it i need confidence that im going to be able to see my plan out, and i'll need a 2-3 year extension on top of my current 4 years left, and a pay increase

once that is secured, i would re-sign Darius Boyd for 4 years at big money. He's playing halfback for me. Anthony Milford would be reupped with the club with a major pay increase, and bulked up and moved to hooker to solve my woes there. Jack Bird would be moved into fullback long term. im making him the highest paid player in the NRL. Im very confident in him doing exactly what i want from him in this spot.

Haas and TPJ would be shopped around, too top heavy in the pack.
Staggs doesnt fit in with my plans either, so he's going to be shopped also. Time to move on from Glenn too, new era of Broncos football.

With freed up cap space, id be looking at grabbing Sam Williams to pair up with Darius Boyd in the halves, i'd bring back Lachlan Maranta on about 500k a year for 4 years to be my centre. I'd look at guys like Rapana and Brett Morris and offer them up long, big money term deals to sort out my outside backs problem. Corey Oates would be moved to the back row. Lodge would be my captain.
I really like Isaako and i want to get him move involved, he'll play this year off the bench as my utility, but long term he's going to play along side Boyd in the halves

My team:

1. Bird
2. Morris
3. Maranta
4. Arthars
5. Rapana
6. Williams
7. Boyd
8. Lodge (c)
9. Milford
10. Fifita
11. Oates
12. Gillett
13. Carrigan

14. Issako
15. Shibasaki
16. Farnworth
17. Ofahengaue

We'd start the 2020 season under cooked in terms of our fitness and having done zero defensive work. We're focused on attacking football.
We'd start out 0-12, the players would revolt, i'd be sacked, and paid out of my 7 year contract, and the Broncos would be **** for a decade, if not longer once i sunk my claws into their junior system and alienated all the relationships there.

And then i retire somewhere South of the boarder and never pay for a beer again in my life

Now you’re finally using that brain of yours! That’s gold.

Coastalraider · Post by **Coastalraider** » September 19, 2019, 3:29 pm

PigRickman wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm I would go to the head office, tell them what im about to embark on is going to be really hard, and a bit a long road but will certainly lead to multiple premierships, but to do it i need confidence that im going to be able to see my plan out, and i'll need a 2-3 year extension on top of my current 4 years left, and a pay increase

once that is secured, i would re-sign Darius Boyd for 4 years at big money. He's playing halfback for me. Anthony Milford would be reupped with the club with a major pay increase, and bulked up and moved to hooker to solve my woes there. Jack Bird would be moved into fullback long term. im making him the highest paid player in the NRL. Im very confident in him doing exactly what i want from him in this spot.

Haas and TPJ would be shopped around, too top heavy in the pack.
Staggs doesnt fit in with my plans either, so he's going to be shopped also. Time to move on from Glenn too, new era of Broncos football.

With freed up cap space, id be looking at grabbing Sam Williams to pair up with Darius Boyd in the halves, i'd bring back Lachlan Maranta on about 500k a year for 4 years to be my centre. I'd look at guys like Rapana and Brett Morris and offer them up long, big money term deals to sort out my outside backs problem. Corey Oates would be moved to the back row. Lodge would be my captain.
I really like Isaako and i want to get him move involved, he'll play this year off the bench as my utility, but long term he's going to play along side Boyd in the halves

My team:

1. Bird
2. Morris
3. Maranta
4. Arthars
5. Rapana
6. Williams
7. Boyd
8. Lodge (c)
9. Milford
10. Fifita
11. Oates
12. Gillett
13. Carrigan

14. Issako
15. Shibasaki
16. Farnworth
17. Ofahengaue

We'd start the 2020 season under cooked in terms of our fitness and having done zero defensive work. We're focused on attacking football.
We'd start out 0-12, the players would revolt, i'd be sacked, and paid out of my 7 year contract, and the Broncos would be **** for a decade, if not longer once i sunk my claws into their junior system and alienated all the relationships there.

And then i retire somewhere South of the boarder and never pay for a beer again in my life

reptar · Post by **reptar** » September 19, 2019, 10:02 pm

I'd just sit back and let Frank sort them out.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » September 19, 2019, 10:40 pm

Product placement on point

Botman · Post by **Botman** » September 22, 2019, 9:10 pm

PigRickman wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm Lodge would be my captain.

It's happening!!!

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » September 22, 2019, 9:38 pm

PigRickman wrote:
PigRickman wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm Lodge would be my captain.

It's happening!!!

We did it, Pig. We did it, old friend

gerg · Post by **gerg** » September 22, 2019, 10:46 pm

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. There's still a few pieces to fall into place for the biggest **** bag of a club in the comp.
Carrying on like they've hit rock bottom. Puhlease they're barely scratching the surface.

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FuiFui BradBrad · Post by **FuiFui BradBrad** » August 28, 2020, 12:20 pm

Botman wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm I would go to the head office, tell them what im about to embark on is going to be really hard, and a bit a long road but will certainly lead to multiple premierships, but to do it i need confidence that im going to be able to see my plan out, and i'll need a 2-3 year extension on top of my current 4 years left, and a pay increase

once that is secured, i would re-sign Darius Boyd for 4 years at big money. He's playing halfback for me. Anthony Milford would be reupped with the club with a major pay increase, and bulked up and moved to hooker to solve my woes there. Jack Bird would be moved into fullback long term. im making him the highest paid player in the NRL. Im very confident in him doing exactly what i want from him in this spot.

Haas and TPJ would be shopped around, too top heavy in the pack.
Staggs doesnt fit in with my plans either, so he's going to be shopped also. Time to move on from Glenn too, new era of Broncos football.

With freed up cap space, id be looking at grabbing Sam Williams to pair up with Darius Boyd in the halves, i'd bring back Lachlan Maranta on about 500k a year for 4 years to be my centre. I'd look at guys like Rapana and Brett Morris and offer them up long, big money term deals to sort out my outside backs problem. Corey Oates would be moved to the back row. Lodge would be my captain.
I really like Isaako and i want to get him move involved, he'll play this year off the bench as my utility, but long term he's going to play along side Boyd in the halves

My team:

1. Bird
2. Morris
3. Maranta
4. Arthars
5. Rapana
6. Williams
7. Boyd
8. Lodge (c)
9. Milford
10. Fifita
11. Oates
12. Gillett
13. Carrigan

14. Issako
15. Shibasaki
16. Farnworth
17. Ofahengaue

We'd start the 2020 season under cooked in terms of our fitness and having done zero defensive work. We're focused on attacking football.
We'd start out 0-12, the players would revolt, i'd be sacked, and paid out of my 7 year contract, and the Broncos would be **** for a decade, if not longer once i sunk my claws into their junior system and alienated all the relationships there.

And then i retire somewhere South of the boarder and never pay for a beer again in my life

**Bump**
I think Seibold might have got some ideas from TheGH

Post by **Matt** » August 28, 2020, 12:47 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑August 28, 2020, 12:20 pm
Botman wrote: ↑September 19, 2019, 1:18 pm I would go to the head office, tell them what im about to embark on is going to be really hard, and a bit a long road but will certainly lead to multiple premierships, but to do it i need confidence that im going to be able to see my plan out, and i'll need a 2-3 year extension on top of my current 4 years left, and a pay increase

once that is secured, i would re-sign Darius Boyd for 4 years at big money. He's playing halfback for me. Anthony Milford would be reupped with the club with a major pay increase, and bulked up and moved to hooker to solve my woes there. Jack Bird would be moved into fullback long term. im making him the highest paid player in the NRL. Im very confident in him doing exactly what i want from him in this spot.

Haas and TPJ would be shopped around, too top heavy in the pack.
Staggs doesnt fit in with my plans either, so he's going to be shopped also. Time to move on from Glenn too, new era of Broncos football.

With freed up cap space, id be looking at grabbing Sam Williams to pair up with Darius Boyd in the halves, i'd bring back Lachlan Maranta on about 500k a year for 4 years to be my centre. I'd look at guys like Rapana and Brett Morris and offer them up long, big money term deals to sort out my outside backs problem. Corey Oates would be moved to the back row. Lodge would be my captain.
I really like Isaako and i want to get him move involved, he'll play this year off the bench as my utility, but long term he's going to play along side Boyd in the halves

My team:

1. Bird
2. Morris
3. Maranta
4. Arthars
5. Rapana
6. Williams
7. Boyd
8. Lodge (c)
9. Milford
10. Fifita
11. Oates
12. Gillett
13. Carrigan

14. Issako
15. Shibasaki
16. Farnworth
17. Ofahengaue

We'd start the 2020 season under cooked in terms of our fitness and having done zero defensive work. We're focused on attacking football.
We'd start out 0-12, the players would revolt, i'd be sacked, and paid out of my 7 year contract, and the Broncos would be **** for a decade, if not longer once i sunk my claws into their junior system and alienated all the relationships there.

And then i retire somewhere South of the boarder and never pay for a beer again in my life
**Bump**
I think Seibold might have got some ideas from TheGH

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » August 28, 2020, 1:44 pm

All that was missing was "let Fifita go to the Titans".

Botman · Post by **Botman** » August 28, 2020, 1:47 pm

Turns out Seibs was one of us all along!

Sid · Post by **Sid** » August 28, 2020, 6:19 pm

So much of that was spot on

great bump

moto748 · Post by **moto748** » October 12, 2020, 9:15 pm

Yeah, biting satire there!

I remember when the Warriors beat Brisbane in a game that was absolutely crucial to their season, and afterwards all the talk was about what a tragedy it was for Brisbane, and I thought, if I was a Warriors fan, I'd be pretty miffed at that.

I never rated Boyd much even in his so-called heyday; I could never understand why an experienced rep player like him still had those schoolboy errors in him. Milford is obviously a talent when fit. I thought in a very difficult situation their young half-back showed up really creditably, and young Wiganer

Farnworth can be proud of his first NRL season. Few of the rest can.