The Rickman wrote: Dr Zaius wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
Ok, so let me get this right. Just bear with me...
When the dragons player failed to get to his feet to play the ball and they scored a try that's NOT unrecognised bias, but when the storm players dragged a dragons player into the in goal it IS unrecognised bias… correct??
There's pretty good evidence that influences on officials effect sports results. There is a Freakonomics podcast that explores it. I'm not sure that it is at the level that Fergus sees it as, but your complete denial of its existence is as extreme as you perceive his belief in its existence to be. I'd say that it is juvenile and beneath you, but you seem to carry on about a lot of stuff of late.
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Ok, so this is where you’re wrong, I (and I’m pretty sure the “other” Nick too) don’t deny the “complete existence” of unrecognised bias in sports, in fact I’ve already said on several occasions that there’s issues there, the big one being home ground advantage having an impact on the referees, as well as more annoying things such as “square ups” in the penalty count, you’d have to be a complete fool to suggest those things don’t occur. Home ground fans DEFINITELY sway the referee, in fact I’ve seen packed houses in Canberra do that very thing! And the evening up of the penalty count happens almost every single game, something many of us on here have long lamented as frustrating to watch.
The broncos have the best stadium in rugby league, they have by far the biggest attendance on a week to week basis, and hence the loudest fan base. So of COURSE they get most of the calls when they’re at home (and hot tip Ferg, our beloved Queensland benefits from the same advantage at Lang Park, only magnified). And people have spent the last two decades watching the broncos every second Friday night getting call after call at home and that’s where the “penalty broncos” meme surfaced from.
But they shouldn’t be alone there! We have a home ground too, our fans are capable of being rowdy as well, and we HAVE seen them influence the referees, in fact every team in the NRL enjoys a varying level of success at home and that is largely due to unconscious bias. It’s a thing, nobody’s denying it’s a thing, in fact it’s ludicrous to suggest that’s what we’re denying here in this ongoing and often quite tedious “debate”.
But what we ARE denying here is this absurd perception by guys like Fergus and gangrenous that the NRL is somehow out to get the raiders, that we get ripped off more by the officials than any other team in the NRL, that there’s somehow a concerted effort by the “man” to keep us down (which strangely is more prevalent in years where we’re struggling, but magically vanishes when we’re playing well as a team). And now you throw into the debate gangrenous’ ridiculous assertion that because he can remember off the top of his head four “howlers” (howler seeming to be the definition gangrenous gives to any decision that goes against the raiders and doesn’t equally apply to teams such as the roosters) that have gone against the raiders and demands us to prove otherwise. But hot tip: we all are huge raiders fans, and guys like gangrenous and Fergus obsess so much over every refereeing decision, so of COURSE they remember the perceived howlers that occur against us, but immediately dismiss incorrect calls in our favour as “just good luck”.
You’ll find fans of every team carrying around in their memory evidence of occasions where their team was “ripped off” by the referees, I’m surrounded by Cowboys fans up here, they’re CONVINCED the refs screw the cowboys on a week to week basis, and Queensland doesn’t lose an Origin without it being the “refs’ fault” in circles that I drink in. But absolutely NOBODY (myself, the other Nick, Fergus and gangrenous included) carries around in their memories times when they “got lucky” with the referees, you just don’t do it!
As evidence of this, go to the raiders v sharks game from a few weeks ago on LU. The last few pages are just salty sharks fans blowing up about the referees and why Jarrod Croker wasn’t sin binned towards the end of the game and how it cost them the two points in a game they were “definitely” going to win. They’re carrying on like a real bunch of gangrenouses.
And in this VERY thread, Fergus points out a wrong decision against the Storm in the act of a try being scored, no less. That’s HUGE. Then when a decision goes FOR the Storm, he straight up points that one as unconscious bias. Because it went the way of the storm. I point this out to him to prove his hypocrisy and I’M the one being silly? Come on now.
In closing, you’re all **** nuts. Unconscious bias DOES exist, but the raiders benefit from it as much as any other team in the NRL, although teams such as the broncos and Queensland have a much stronger homer advantage than other teams.