2019 State of Origin II: Queensland V New South Wales

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 18, 2019, 12:51 pm

Freddy was happy to come on and explain everything away but it still doesn't make a lot of sense. He wants more effort yet he dropped a guy who delivered in spades (Morris) and includes a guy who's let them down in the past (Fergo).

Dumping Walker after 1 game was also classic scapegoating. At least keep him as a bench utility. Let's not forget it was him that set up that try to bring NSW back into the game.

kiwi raider · Post by **kiwi raider** » June 18, 2019, 1:35 pm

Was Morris really that good? scored a try yes(probably should have passed to an unmarked cotric) but he also let in a try when he jammed in completely unnecessarily and left Cotric to defend a 3 on 1 which ultimately resulted in Oates scoring, What else did he do? were his stats good because I actually don't remember a thing he did outside of those two plays, would expect more when your opposite centre is actually a halfback

Aero · Post by **Aero** » June 18, 2019, 2:26 pm

Morris retired from rep footy a couple of years ago and came on board for game 1 due to lack of other options (Fergo had a few shockers leading up to the naming of side for game 1).

So I'm not too fussed about Morris being dropped for next generation of players (Fergo is still relatively young isn't he?)

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Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 18, 2019, 7:09 pm

Might take me a while coming to terms with Fergo being part of the "next generation of players".

julian87 · Post by **julian87** » June 18, 2019, 8:03 pm

Matt wrote: ↑June 17, 2019, 2:28 pm
julian87 wrote: ↑June 17, 2019, 2:26 pm
Matt wrote: ↑June 17, 2019, 12:45 pm Fergie for Cotric - forced (ankle). Also, out the door for the no BS factor.
Turbo for Latrell - cutthroat and BTW really dumb. Did QLD ever drop GI? Did they pick him even when his club form was ****? **** kinda selection is that?!?
Morris for Jack - tough call, Morris, while spot filling, was NSW best outside back in Game 1. TBH, harsh on Croker here too. Both centres replaced, and he isn't 1. At least Im still happy for Jack. (BTW, I think Jack and Turbo will actually play the other way around, as in Jack left and Turbo right).
Maloney for Walker - I didn't like the Walker selection from day 1, but at least his form warranted it. That said, NSW back to their winning halves combo.
Safiti for Klem - forced (arm). ****?!? He isn't even the 2nd best prop at his club. Lodge or Tamou, hell I'd take RCG in a 1 off origin.
Funicane for Jack via Morris as the utility. Refer to Graham for utility value. Really good pick. Really happy for him.
Sims for Haas - forced (hammy). Sims is a dirty but tough SOB. Perfect player for Origin.
Graham for Crichton - tough call, but in 2 games Graham has been phenomenal. TBF Graham is probably seen as the utility in a variety combo with Jack (of all trades) and Murray who can play hooker.

This will be mobile forwards warfare. Funicane, Sims, Friz will all spend time at prop. Murray to share with Jurbo.

Weirdly, Graham is a left edge player (so is Sims BTW), but it's Friz who will make way for him. Does Cordner switch sides? At least Crichton plays right edge. Matterson must feel very unlucky. 18th man and got jumped by Graham at minimum, but Funicane and Sims too.

IMO, the dumbest of all the selections is Safiti. Klem supported him, and for some reason that held weight. Id simply swap Safiti for Matterson, and make changes accordingly.

Matterson could simply be the Crichton 1 for 1 change. Friz plays 20-25 on the edge, Matterson comes on, and plays the remainder on the right edge.
Id happily pick Funicane or Sims to start at prop in Origin over Safiti.
Of course Wighton plays left and Trbojevic right.
Numbers suggest otherwise.

Disagree.

Ruben Daley · Post by **Ruben Daley** » June 18, 2019, 8:06 pm

RedRaider wrote: ↑June 18, 2019, 2:12 am
Ruben Daley wrote: ↑June 17, 2019, 9:04 am Agree with that, Bone.

In regard to Mitchell, there must be more to it. Everyone loves him so there’s no way they dropped him purely on that first game.

I think the inconsistencies between Freddy’s and Brandy’s comments about in the week afterwards indicates a fair bit more is going on behind the scenes.

Agree about Walker. I thought he was a good pick at 14 but wasn’t convinced he would be strong enough for 6. He’s not the type of player to dominate every game so if you pick him you have to ride ones like Game One and wait for the breakout game where he bags a hat-trick of freakish tries.

Keary getting injured and Penrith stinking it up threw the NSW selectors.
I reckon Freddy has made it clear he wants players with their head in the game and having a go. I don't think that could be said of Mitchell, Walker or Crichton in Game 1. So out they go. Three injuries needed replacing. The Morris dropping was more problematic for me. He scored a try and was generally involved. Maybe a fitness issue towards the end of the match??? One thing which can be said about the three replacements, win or lose there won't be any question about being involved in the game and showing that they want to be there.

Two of the Qld tries came from long Ponga passes to the edges. One left and one right. He now has Turbo and Jack to watch for these and if opportunity comes, go for an intercept. I'm really looking forward to the game. Go the Blues.

Yeah, good point about having a go. Those three won't be hanging around watching.

You have to respect what Morris brings. He got called in at the last minute and did his job perfectly. But he also knew that he was a stop-gap and it makes more sense to use Turbo and Jack who can be around for a lot longer and who are both more versatile.

I'd love to see Jack take an intercept, by the way! I think Ponga's pass selection is better than most so he's less likely to throw a bad one but I reckon the Blues will have trained all week to defend that play.

yeh raiders · Post by **yeh raiders** » June 18, 2019, 8:37 pm

The problem I saw in game 1 with defending Ponga was a lack of pressure from the inside men.

Then the outside men just premeditated his passing and he absolutely carved them, Ado Carr in particular.

Cutting him some slack, he was probably rattled by how poorly Latrell was defending next to him which caused him to panic.

IMO The last thing we need is NSW actively looking for intercepts, he deadset doesn’t throw them. He didnt even need to threaten to kick in behind the line, his touch football instincts are to throw bullets with precision instead. Extremely difficult for defenders to catch.

If our outside men move up too quickly, he’ll hit the short runner. His double-pump is absolutely deadly.

julian87 · Post by **julian87** » June 18, 2019, 9:41 pm

Disgusting that NSW are playing in alternate jerseys.

Post by **greeneyed** » June 19, 2019, 5:05 pm

Canberra Raiders and Queensland Maroons prop Josh Papalii's Kangaroos future up in the air

He's one of the best props in Australia, but Canberra Raiders big bopper Josh Papalii is no certainty to make himself available for Australia and may switch to Samoa later this year.

"I'd love to repay my motherland country and play for Samoa really fit and healthy. But in saying that I'm taking it week by week. My focus is playing for the Raiders and the Maroons at the moment."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 19, 2019, 5:20 pm

As long as Josh continues to play for the Raiders and Queensland, it doesn't bother me where his international allegiances lie.

Go with your heart, big fella.

-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » June 19, 2019, 5:25 pm

The Rickman wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 5:20 pm As long as Josh continues to play for the Raiders and Queensland, it doesn't bother me where his international allegiances lie.

Go with your heart, big fella.

Yep, Raiders and dabble in maroon 3 times a year..

Zip Zip · Post by **Zip Zip** » June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?

-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » June 19, 2019, 6:09 pm

If think players have 20yrs to make a decision.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 19, 2019, 7:10 pm

Zip Zip wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?

You’re wrong

Post by **greeneyed** » June 19, 2019, 8:10 pm

Zip Zip wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?

You are supposed to make yourself available for Australia to play Origin. If you’re not required by Australia, you can play for two tier countries. There were also arrangements for World Cups which allow players to play for Tier 2 countries. So if he makes a permanent switch... no Origin.

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Dusty · Post by **Dusty** » June 19, 2019, 8:27 pm

greeneyed wrote:
Zip Zip wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
You are supposed to make yourself available for Australia to play Origin. If you’re not required by Australia, you can play for two tier countries. There were also arrangements for World Cups which allow players to play for Tier 2 countries. So if he makes a permanent switch... no Origin.

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The people in charge should pull him from Origin immediately

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Coastalraider · Post by **Coastalraider** » June 19, 2019, 8:49 pm

I just hope if he does play for Samoa again, it isn’t the fat camp it was last time he and BJ found the buffet....

RedRaider · Post by **RedRaider** » June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm

Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?

Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 20, 2019, 5:48 pm

RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.

Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling

Post by **greeneyed** » June 21, 2019, 4:27 pm

State of Origin II sold out

The first ever State of Origin in Western Australia is officially sold out.

The last tickets for the historic match, which will be played at Perth’s Optus Stadium on Sunday, June 23, were sold today.

“This is a fantastic result for the game as we take the biggest rivalry in Australian sport to a new stadium and a new frontier,” NRL CEO Todd Greenberg said.

“The game will give a new generation of fans an opportunity to see Origin up close but pleasingly there will be thousands of supporters from NSW and Queensland making the trip to Perth to support their teams.

“I’d like to thank the Western Australian Government as well as Tourism WA for their support in showcasing Origin so successfully.”

More than 12,000 interstate and international visitors will be travelling to Perth, including people travelling from New Zealand, Singapore, the USA and the UK.

West Australian rockers Eskimo Joe will lead the pre-match entertainment extravaganza at Perth Stadium on Sunday.

NRL media release

Post by **greeneyed** » June 22, 2019, 9:59 pm

Interesting that the Canberra Raiders overlooked Dale Finucane for their Harold Matthews squad when he lived in Bega as a youngster.

Schoolboy snub lit Finucane's fire: NSW debutant Dale Finucane has played five of the past seven grand finals, but his defining moment came with heartbreaking rejection as a 14-year-old: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 110a5197d5

Post by **dubby** » June 23, 2019, 8:45 am

The Rickman wrote:
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling

Tony Carroll
Brad Thorn
Karmichael Hunt

Adrian Lam

Petero

Billy Moore
Greg Inglis
Israel Folau

Just off the top of my head

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Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 23, 2019, 9:36 am

The Rickman wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:48 pm
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling

Don't forget the Bundy boy Ken Nagas.

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 23, 2019, 9:39 am

dubby wrote: ↑June 23, 2019, 8:45 am
The Rickman wrote:
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t iiSamoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling
Tony Carroll
Brad Thorn
Karmichael Hunt

Adrian Lam

Petero

Billy Moore
Greg Inglis
Israel Folau

Just off the top of my head

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I'll give you a shot at credibility here. Can you name "off the top of your head" a few NSW players born eslewhere?

yeh raiders · Post by **yeh raiders** » June 23, 2019, 12:23 pm

Funny how much more concerned everyone is about Blake Ferguson’s performance, prior to actually lacing a boot.

He has about 6.5 hours left to keep himself out of trouble. Apart from that, looking forward to him taking some huge carries against classic QLD 7 metre defensive lines.

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 23, 2019, 1:09 pm

yeh raiders wrote: ↑June 23, 2019, 12:23 pm Funny how much more concerned everyone is about Blake Ferguson’s performance, prior to actually lacing a boot.

He has about 6.5 hours left to keep himself out of trouble. Apart from that, looking forward to him taking some huge carries against classic QLD 7 metre defensive lines.

Word is he's catching up with Dugan for pre-game lunch.

yeh raiders · Post by **yeh raiders** » June 23, 2019, 1:28 pm

Northern Raider wrote: ↑June 23, 2019, 1:09 pm
yeh raiders wrote: ↑June 23, 2019, 12:23 pm Funny how much more concerned everyone is about Blake Ferguson’s performance, prior to actually lacing a boot.

He has about 6.5 hours left to keep himself out of trouble. Apart from that, looking forward to him taking some huge carries against classic QLD 7 metre defensive lines.
Word is he's catching up with Dugan for pre-game lunch.

On a rooftop I assume.

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 23, 2019, 1:45 pm

dubby wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling
Tony Carroll
Brad Thorn
Karmichael Hunt

Adrian Lam

Petero

Billy Moore
Greg Inglis
Israel Folau

Just off the top of my head

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Well... just off the “top of my head”...

THE NSW ‘IMPORTS’

1. Ken Nagas (Bundaberg)
2. James McManus (Scotland)
3. John Hopoate (Tonga)
4. Timana Tahu (Melbourne)
5. Hazem El Masri (Lebanon)
6. Peter Wallace (Melbourne)
7. Peter Sterling (Toowoomba)
8. Dean Pay (Melbourne)
9. Ben Elias (Lebanon)
10. Justine Poore (Bunbury, WA)
11. Ian Roberts (London)
12. Willie Mason (Auckland)
13. Mario Fenech (Malta)

Interchange: James Tamou (New Zealand), Craig Polla-Mounter (Ipswich Grammar, via Melbourne)

New South Wales is everywhere.

yeh raiders · Post by **yeh raiders** » June 23, 2019, 3:09 pm

Craig Polla Mounter haha

Post by **dubby** » June 23, 2019, 3:36 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
dubby wrote: ↑June 23, 2019, 8:45 am
The Rickman wrote:
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t iiSamoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling
Tony Carroll
Brad Thorn
Karmichael Hunt

Adrian Lam

Petero

Billy Moore
Greg Inglis
Israel Folau

Just off the top of my head

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I'll give you a shot at credibility here. Can you name "off the top of your head" a few NSW players born eslewhere?

Sterling, Tamou (thanks sticky), Elias, Mason.......um....Brad Clyde and any ACT born player which I think you were alluding to

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Post by **dubby** » June 23, 2019, 3:38 pm

The Rickman wrote:
dubby wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
RedRaider wrote: ↑June 20, 2019, 5:26 pm
Zip Zip wrote: ↑June 19, 2019, 6:07 pm Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Samoa mean no Queensland?
Samoa, that's in QLD. Qlds everywhere.
Just like Toowoomba is in NSW. *cough cough* Peter Sterling
Tony Carroll
Brad Thorn
Karmichael Hunt

Adrian Lam

Petero

Billy Moore
Greg Inglis
Israel Folau

Just off the top of my head

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Well... just off the “top of my head”...

THE NSW ‘IMPORTS’

1. Ken Nagas (Bundaberg)
2. James McManus (Scotland)
3. John Hopoate (Tonga)
4. Timana Tahu (Melbourne)
5. Hazem El Masri (Lebanon)
6. Peter Wallace (Melbourne)
7. Peter Sterling (Toowoomba)
8. Dean Pay (Melbourne)
9. Ben Elias (Lebanon)
10. Justine Poore (Bunbury, WA)
11. Ian Roberts (London)
12. Willie Mason (Auckland)
13. Mario Fenech (Malta)

Interchange: James Tamou (New Zealand), Craig Polla-Mounter (Ipswich Grammar, via Melbourne)

New South Wales is everywhere.

Top of your head?

LOL! Nickgoogleman!! I had to search that myself!!

Where on earth did those players play their first game?

You toads are pathetic.

Folau and Inglis are as blue as you'll get

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The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 23, 2019, 3:39 pm

My whole point is that this happens both ways, it’s not a one way street.

No need to throw the toys out of the cot and start calling people names when you’re proven wrong. VERY unbecoming of a so-called Admin of this forum

Post by **dubby** » June 23, 2019, 3:43 pm

The Rickman wrote:My whole point is that this happens both ways, it’s not a one way street.

No need to throw the toys out of the cot and start calling people names when you’re proven wrong. VERY unbecoming of a so-called Admin of this forum

Huh? Name calling? Nickgoogleman? Come on now.

You're comparing Inglis and Folau who are so bluntly not qld it's obvious to anyone with only one head to Sterling who was born in Toowoomba, moved to Wagga at what, a babys age, played ALL his footy in nsw?
Elias played all his footy in nsw too.

Hell, the blatant selective bias you toads come up with is ridiculous

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Post by **dubby** » June 23, 2019, 3:44 pm

(Enrique this is all origin banter, man. The other so called admin known as Fergus is the worst for it. Just ask Dr Zauis)

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The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » June 23, 2019, 3:53 pm

Haha of course, the old “Fergus is completely unreasonable at Origin time yet perfectly balanced the rest of the year when it comes to the raiders” shtick

Never gets old