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Where will the Cowboys finish in 2019?

Minor premiers
0
No votes
Top four
2
33%
Top eight
1
17%
Bottom eight
1
17%
Bottom four
2
33%
Wooden spoon/least wins
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Total votes: 6

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 1, 2019, 10:53 pm

Manchild wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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Mate Carney was an idiot but he never bashed his missus TWICE.
And that's twice he got caught.....

When he was at the dogs the rumours were all over Bankstown what was going on in that "happy home "

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by gangrenous » February 2, 2019, 6:24 am

cat wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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I think he is past that. Carney was dumb and yes put people's lives at risk driving and dumb pranks BUT he was never violent or nasty/mean that i remember.

People like lodge, barba, hayne, bird etc are in a whole different boat to carney and fergo imo

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by -PJ- » February 2, 2019, 6:28 am

I wonder if Ben Barba has taken a moment to consider what he's going to do for work after footy.

He's totally botched his career, and his personal life it seems.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 2, 2019, 9:27 am

Manchild wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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Mate Carney was an idiot but he never bashed his missus TWICE.
Give you that, Carney will always be at the top of the pantheon of douchebags.

I just realised this was done a week after the Greenberg call to the captains, so that has pushed him into the same tier.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by BJ » February 2, 2019, 10:10 am

cat wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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I think he is past that. Carney was dumb and yes put people's lives at risk driving and dumb pranks BUT he was never violent or nasty/mean that i remember.

People like lodge, barba, hayne, bird etc are in a whole different boat to carney and fergo imo

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Didn’t Carney set a guys pants on fire?

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 2, 2019, 12:14 pm

BJ wrote:
cat wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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I think he is past that. Carney was dumb and yes put people's lives at risk driving and dumb pranks BUT he was never violent or nasty/mean that i remember.

People like lodge, barba, hayne, bird etc are in a whole different boat to carney and fergo imo

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Didn’t Carney set a guys pants on fire?
Yes he did but it was a weird joke , lighting farts kind of thing not aggressive i want to hurt you thing, if that makes sense :)

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by LimeGreenMachine » February 2, 2019, 1:01 pm

Greenburg saying Barba will be rubbed out of the game.

Sacked North Queensland Cowboys star Ben Barba 'will not return' to NRL if guilty of domestic assault

Ben Barba will be rubbed out of the NRL and "will not return" under Todd Greenberg's watch if CCTV footage proves allegations he physically assaulted his partner at a Townsville casino on Australia Day.

"I haven't seen the footage as yet, but if it shows violence towards a woman then really there is no debate. Ben Barba will be out of the NRL immediately and I can't see him ever returning. If the evidence is there, he won't return under my watch," Greenberg said.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/02/02/we- ... ng-to-nrl/

Video: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/02/02/gre ... returning/

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 2, 2019, 3:08 pm

It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by Dr Zaius » February 2, 2019, 4:28 pm

BJ wrote:
cat wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah, he has to be done. He’s quickly approaching Carney level douchebag.


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I think he is past that. Carney was dumb and yes put people's lives at risk driving and dumb pranks BUT he was never violent or nasty/mean that i remember.

People like lodge, barba, hayne, bird etc are in a whole different boat to carney and fergo imo

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by dubby » February 2, 2019, 4:41 pm

cat wrote:It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 2, 2019, 5:05 pm

Dubby I totally agree and I think I have made my opinion pretty clear in the past that I believe let the courts deal with criminal charges Image

However Greenberg has said "be found guilty of criminal charges and the nrl will react"

Well off you go Toddy react!

I would be happy with a small fine but he has to get something for consistency

But I totally agree barba is gone and an unpleasant person- dogs covered a lot for him

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by T_R » February 2, 2019, 5:33 pm

dubby wrote:
cat wrote:It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Well strictly speaking he CLAIMED to have just touched a woman on her 'upper thigh', and there was no conclusive CCTV vision otherwise, but the evidence presented was that it was a little more....well, Trumpish than that.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by RedRaider » February 2, 2019, 5:39 pm

I'm glad Greenberg has acted in the Barba case. If the evidence on CCTV is as reported then he should never play in the NRL again. Some will say it is inconsistent with other cases, but I think that getting people who act this way out of the game has to start somewhere.

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 6:25 pm

T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 5:33 pm
dubby wrote:
cat wrote:It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Well strictly speaking he CLAIMED to have just touched a woman on her 'upper thigh', and there was no conclusive CCTV vision otherwise, but the evidence presented was that it was a little more....well, Trumpish than that.
But the court concluded it wasn't, didn't it? And that's what we have to go with.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 2, 2019, 7:04 pm

GE, court found bolton guilty . Was sentenced ( think good behaviour bond)



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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 7:16 pm

cat wrote:
February 2, 2019, 7:04 pm
GE, court found bolton guilty . Was sentenced ( think good behaviour bond)

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Yes, but not of indecent assault, which is what was being implied.

Cowboys player Scott Bolton pleads guilty to common assault after touching woman's thigh: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cow ... 50pxx.html
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by dubby » February 2, 2019, 7:16 pm

Cat, not the same.

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by T_R » February 2, 2019, 7:48 pm

greeneyed wrote:
T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 5:33 pm
dubby wrote:
cat wrote:It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Well strictly speaking he CLAIMED to have just touched a woman on her 'upper thigh', and there was no conclusive CCTV vision otherwise, but the evidence presented was that it was a little more....well, Trumpish than that.
But the court concluded it wasn't, didn't it? And that's what we have to go with.
I believe that the court found him guilty of indecent assault. I believe that's all that was concluded.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 8:35 pm

T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 7:48 pm
greeneyed wrote:
T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 5:33 pm
dubby wrote:
cat wrote:It's really easy to rub out a player when he doesnt have a contract or interest from clubs, will wait and see what Greenberg does in relation to Bolton, Debalin etc before I am convinced Greenberg has grown a pair

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Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Well strictly speaking he CLAIMED to have just touched a woman on her 'upper thigh', and there was no conclusive CCTV vision otherwise, but the evidence presented was that it was a little more....well, Trumpish than that.
But the court concluded it wasn't, didn't it? And that's what we have to go with.
I believe that the court found him guilty of indecent assault. I believe that's all that was concluded.
No, they didn't. See above.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by T_R » February 2, 2019, 8:43 pm

greeneyed wrote:
T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 7:48 pm
greeneyed wrote:
T_R wrote:
February 2, 2019, 5:33 pm
dubby wrote:Cat, Bolton touched a woman on the leg. No aggression. No physical pain. Just plain old annoying and unwanted. Can't hang a man for that. (Caveat - I'm not defending him.)

Barba?

Drug user.
Twice hitting on his woman and attracting police.
He is a horrible human.

Very big difference.

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Well strictly speaking he CLAIMED to have just touched a woman on her 'upper thigh', and there was no conclusive CCTV vision otherwise, but the evidence presented was that it was a little more....well, Trumpish than that.
But the court concluded it wasn't, didn't it? And that's what we have to go with.
I believe that the court found him guilty of indecent assault. I believe that's all that was concluded.
No, they didn't. See above.
I brewer your pardon, yes ... Common Assault. As with my original comment, the allegations could not be conclusively proven.
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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 8:56 pm

The charges were not proven... so not guilty... innocent of the charges in our legal system. It is a court of law that decides these things... Innocent until proven guilty is the presumption in our system.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by T_R » February 2, 2019, 8:59 pm

As I said ... the allegations could not be conclusively proven :)
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 9:01 pm

Which means he's been found innocent of those charges.
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Post by T_R » February 2, 2019, 9:14 pm

I've heard courts say " I find the defendent not guilty", and Ive heard them say " I find that the charges have not been proven ", and they come up with " I find that the prosecution had failed to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt" from time to time ... but Ive never heard them find someone innocent.
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Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 9:37 pm

But what does that mean in our system of law?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » February 2, 2019, 9:38 pm

Were you the defendant when you heard these examples?


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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 2, 2019, 10:00 pm

greeneyed wrote:Which means he's been found innocent of those charges.
He pleaded guilty and was sentenced, thus based on Greenberg 's little speach and passed history he should be at least fined by the nrl.

Sunday herald reporting napa is looking at a stint on the sideline for a non illegal act years ago.

All the fans want is consistency

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by greeneyed » February 2, 2019, 10:14 pm

cat wrote:
February 2, 2019, 10:00 pm
greeneyed wrote:Which means he's been found innocent of those charges.
He pleaded guilty and was sentenced, thus based on Greenberg 's little speach and passed history he should be at least fined by the nrl.

Sunday herald reporting napa is looking at a stint on the sideline for a non illegal act years ago.

All the fans want is consistency

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He pleaded guilty, but not to the charge being alluded to. He pleaded guilty to common assault, not indecent assault.

The NRL is looking at the evidence tendered in the case and they'll take action when they've gone through it.
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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by T_R » February 3, 2019, 5:45 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Were you the defendant when you heard these examples?


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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by Cranky Old Man » February 3, 2019, 8:42 pm

cat wrote:
February 2, 2019, 10:00 pm
greeneyed wrote:Which means he's been found innocent of those charges.
He pleaded guilty and was sentenced, thus based on Greenberg 's little speach and passed history he should be at least fined by the nrl.

Sunday herald reporting napa is looking at a stint on the sideline for a non illegal act years ago.

All the fans want is consistency

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I think Napa will be found guilty of no longer playing for the Roosters and cop a suspension.

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by LimeGreenMachine » February 5, 2019, 10:58 am

Barba has been given a life ban by the NRL. With Super League going to back the NRL ban and Australian Union also saying they won't pick him up there aren't too many options for him.

Barba CCTV footage confirms physical altercation: Greenberg

After the NRL Integrity Unit was able to view the CCTV footage of Ben Barba's alleged incident involving his partner on Australia Day, CEO Todd Greenberg has reaffirmed he cannot see the sacked Cowboys fullback ever being allowed to play in the competition again.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/02/05/ben ... greenberg/

‘Can’t see a time when he’ll be welcomed back’: NRL bans Barba for life over alleged assault: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 6e1271df4d

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by cat » February 5, 2019, 4:38 pm

So Barba is deregestered for life or until the broncos or roosters need him,



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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by -TW- » February 5, 2019, 5:51 pm

Yep sure cat, that's exactly it..

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by JP92 » February 6, 2019, 2:27 pm

I hope the police get on him but as we know hard to do anything if the other party never cooperates. Vicious cycle. If he did that out in public...

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Re: North Queensland Cowboys 2019

Post by LimeGreenMachine » February 6, 2019, 3:15 pm

There is CTV footage , surely the police are less reliant on a victim statement when they have other evidence

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