Sydney Roosters 2019

[greeneyed]

Sydney Roosters secure Joseph Manu until end 2022

The Sydney Roosters are thrilled to announce that Kiwi international Joseph Manu has signed a two-year extension, keeping him with the club until at least the end of 2022.

Read more: https://www.roosters.com.au/news/2019/1 ... -roosters/

[zim]

Would rather hold on to him than Mitchell.

[greeneyed]

Cooper Cronk joins Sydney Roosters coach staff to help halves

Cooper Cronk has signed on to be a part-time specialist halves coach for the Sydney Roosters and will work with every playmaker coming through Roosters system next year.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/10/31/cro ... lp-halves/

https://www.roosters.com.au/news/2019/1 ... ing-staff/

[greeneyed]

Sydney Roosters winger Ryan Hall knee surgery sidelines him for up to four months

Sydney Roosters winger Ryan Hall will miss up to four months of the 2020 pre-season following knee surgery this week. Hall dislocated his knee for the second time this year while playing for Great Britain against the Kiwis.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/01/23/cas ... jury-news/

[Northern Raider]

They might need to add another international winger to be a back up.

[yeh raiders]

*Former international

[FuiFui BradBrad]

I’m hearing they’re going to sign Radradra using the cap relief

[Northern Raider]

....and SBW on the minimum after he collects his $2.7m from the Wolfpack.

[Northern Raider]

*Former international

...huh?

[-PJ-]

Nick Politis spotted at Woolworths Bondi buying more brown paper bags.

[zim]

Roosters re-sign Waerea-Hargreaves through to 2023

The Sydney Roosters have locked in star front-rower Jared Waerea-Hargreaves for the next four seasons, with the 30-year-old Kiwis international agreeing to a new contract with the club.

Waerea-Hargreaves had been off contract at the end of 2020 but a new three-year deal will ensure he remains a Roosters until the end of 2023.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/11/22/roo ... h-to-2023/

[The Nickman]

Four more years for a 30 year old? Wowee.

[yeh raiders]

They’re so ruthless. If he isn’t performing, they’ll move him on.

But right now he’s their most important player with Teddy and Keary, so it’s no surprise they’re giving him what he wants.

He deadset carries that pack. And has carried them to back-to-back premierships. Absolute gun.

[zim]

We'll see him medically retired in 2-3 years. Everyone gets paid.

[greeneyed]

We'll see him medically retired in 2-3 years. Everyone gets paid.

Yep.

[Botman]

We'll see him medically retired in 2-3 years. Everyone gets paid.

Yep, the potential first of many who will be signed and medically retired under the Sam Burgess precedent

[greeneyed]

Shouldn’t the rule be this simple...

Player retires, he no longer gets any money from his football contract. If the player is paid out... the money counts to the club’s salary cap. Simple as that.

What’s wrong with that?

[Botman]

Shouldn’t the rule be this simple...

Player retires, he no longer gets any money from his football contract. If the player is paid out... the money counts to the club’s salary cap. Simple as that.

What’s wrong with that?

Of course.
The players have insurance... if they have to retire, the club and player can mutually agree to terminate the contract and no more money paid out, and the player can go and cash his insurance policy in. If there is a short fall between insurance payout and contract value, the player and club may negotiate as part of the termination, agree that the club covers the short fall, and that figure be it $1 or $1m be included in the cap.

In fact any and every payment a club makes to a player should be included in the salary cap

[The Nickman]

The amount of teams that have all of a sudden medically retired players this year seems WAY higher than usual... I suspect they’ve cooked the goose here and the NRL will find a way to close that loophole

As usual, the raiders will be last to the party and will attempt it next year just as the NRL has had enough and then Fergus and the gang will scream conspiracy

And so the cosmic ballet continues

[gerg]

Has it actually been confirmed that Surgess is medically retiring?

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[greeneyed]

The amount of teams that have all of a sudden medically retired players this year seems WAY higher than usual... I suspect they’ve cooked the goose here and the NRL will find a way to close that loophole

As usual, the raiders will be last to the party and will attempt it next year just as the NRL has had enough and then Fergus and the gang will scream conspiracy

And so the cosmic ballet continues

Well that "co-incidence" has happened more than once, hasn't it!?

[Postman Pat]

Has it actually been confirmed that Surgess is medically retiring?

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No, and the explanation that it’s a ‘new’ injury is a bit of stretch. An infection from a surgery on a long term injury isn’t exactly a ‘new’ injury.

[Coastalraider]

Shouldn’t the rule be this simple...

Player retires, he no longer gets any money from his football contract. If the player is paid out... the money counts to the club’s salary cap. Simple as that.

What’s wrong with that?

Of course.
The players have insurance... if they have to retire, the club and player can mutually agree to terminate the contract and no more money paid out, and the player can go and cash his insurance policy in. If there is a short fall between insurance payout and contract value, the player and club may negotiate as part of the termination, agree that the club covers the short fall, and that figure be it $1 or $1m be included in the cap.

In fact any and every payment a club makes to a player should be included in the salary cap

I would say that an insurance company being asked to pay out a large sum to a ‘medically retired’ player may be a little more stringent than the NRL at checking their background. There is a fundamental motivational difference between the 2 parties - an insurance companies goal is to not make a payout, and they will find any way to prove that the person in question is still able to perform their duties. A team is looking for any way to prove that the player is no longer able to perform their duties, so as to free salary cap space.

When was the last time you heard of a minimum wage player being medically retired? Do they not get career ending injuries, or is it just that teams are not using this out clause because the salary cap benefit to themselves is minimised?

[gerg]

But isn't an insurance pay out and a 'medical' retirement two different issues?

One is related to a player getting injured playing a sport and the other is a club being allowed to pay a player out of his contract - despite the player not being able to fulfil the contract and the club also not having their salary cap affected by that payment? Or are insurance claims also dependant on the player not signing another contract when carrying a potential career ending injured?

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[greeneyed]

Insurance should be separate. It’s very reasonable for the club/code to have medical insurance and insurance in relation to injury which leads to serious disability which prevents people from working and living a normal life.

The medical retirement issue appears to be about clubs wanting players to retire early, pay out their contracts and not have the payments count to the salary cap. It just shouldn’t happen. Any early pay out of a contract should count to a club’s salary cap.

[FuiFui BradBrad]

Yeah from an insurance perspective, I’d be wanting to see that all reasonable actions have been undertaken to try and get the player back on the field. I’d also be wanting them to see a Doctor independent of the club.

From there, just because he can’t play sport, doesn’t mean he’s totally incapacitated, so I’d be looking at whether he can take up suitable employment elsewhere in the club.

Sounds like the medical retirement is an easier option

[Northern Raider]

Insurance should be separate. It’s very reasonable for the club/code to have medical insurance and insurance in relation to injury which leads to serious disability which prevents people from working and living a normal life.

The medical retirement issue appears to be about clubs wanting players to retire early, pay out their contracts and not have the payments count to the salary cap. It just shouldn’t happen. Any early pay out of a contract should count to a club’s salary cap.

Exactly. Tigers got smashed by the NRL for offering Farah post retirement income. Now operating on a reduced cap as a penalty.

This medical retirement precedent has just created another massive loophole. Souths didn't plan it but took advantage. This JWH deal smells of exploitation however.

A club pays a player then it counts against the cap. Simples.

[Matt]

The Mole is saying Chooks and Sharks have swapped Latrell and Moylan.
Its the Mole though.

[Matt]

Ok, so apparently its a fake Mole account...
Who would make a fake account about a guy who is wrong more often than not?!?!?

[The Nickman]

BJ Mole probably would

[BJ]

BJ Mole probably would

I find that accusation outrageous. BJ Mole is like the Fox News of facts crossed with the visual humour of How green was my cactus.

[The Nickman]

BJ Mole probably would

I find that accusation outrageous. BJ Mole is like the Fox News of facts crossed with the visual humour of How green was my cactus.

Haha How Green Was My Cactus… how good was that??

[bonehead]

I liked that joke where the chooks have no cap space

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[gerg]

I liked that joke where the chooks have no cap space

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I think they have realised how despised they are, after last season and they're going to try and fly under the radar for a season or two.

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