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Where will the Sharks finish in 2019?

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by Northern Raider » March 7, 2019, 6:06 pm

So they were not cap compliant during 2016 season but they were compliant for the GF. :hmmm

Must have backdated their player payments or something. Like those peptide suspensions.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by gangrenous » March 7, 2019, 6:12 pm

It’s real easy when you could retroactively frontload into 2015 and backload into 2017 and just pay fines for being over in those years, but keep a trophy in the middle. What a farce this sounds to be.

If I were the storm I’d be **** pissed off to put it mildly.

Also I was just thinking if the Raiders set up a business and use it to sponsor West Tigers players, and West Tigers set up a business and use it to sponsor Raiders players... that sounds to me like it could possibly be legal in the current system

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 7, 2019, 6:18 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
March 7, 2019, 6:06 pm
So they were not cap compliant during 2016 season but they were compliant for the GF. :hmmm

Must have backdated their player payments or something. Like those peptide suspensions.
It is now clear to me they were cheating in 2016. From Paul Kent’s comments, I’m not clear if they were under the cap because of the TPAs or whether they were under the cap even if you account for the illegal TPAs (ie they were not big enough to take them over in that year).
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 9, 2019, 9:42 pm

Cronulla Sharks salary cap fine will cost them hooker James Segeyaro

Cronulla’s salary cap fine will cost them James Segeyaro with the former Dally M hooker of the year’s contract set to be formally rejected by the NRL.

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... a27f6fad15
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 9, 2019, 9:42 pm

They have got off very lightly.
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Post by Sid » March 9, 2019, 10:37 pm

Can’t read it, but it’ll cost them the hack they tried to sign after they were over the cap? “Well duh” and “oh no?”
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by LimeGreenMachine » March 10, 2019, 5:34 am

Im not sure how this works , they have to lose Seg for example he was on 350K , that gets them under the cap , but dont they need to have at least 29 players by round 1 so therefore they need to spend money on a replacement , even with it being minimum wage wouldn't that put them back over the cap

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 10, 2019, 6:33 am

They’ve also decided to “recoup” $50,000 of a planned pre payment to one player. And will need to shed another player before June 30. I’m not sure how the math adds up to get them under for Round 1 though.
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Post by LimeGreenMachine » March 10, 2019, 6:51 am

If they are shedding players they need to replace them , either recruit cheaper players or promote development players. Either way it is a cost

It doesn't add up.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by Northern Raider » March 10, 2019, 10:30 am

greeneyed wrote:
March 10, 2019, 6:33 am
They’ve also decided to “recoup” $50,000 of a planned pre payment to one player. And will need to shed another player before June 30. I’m not sure how the math adds up to get them under for Round 1 though.
Nobody knows. Details coming from thr NRL is (deliberately?) very ambiguous.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 10, 2019, 11:17 am

Northern Raider wrote:
March 10, 2019, 10:30 am
greeneyed wrote:
March 10, 2019, 6:33 am
They’ve also decided to “recoup” $50,000 of a planned pre payment to one player. And will need to shed another player before June 30. I’m not sure how the math adds up to get them under for Round 1 though.
Nobody knows. Details coming from thr NRL is (deliberately?) very ambiguous.
I think it is deliberately ambiguous. They've gone out of their way to help the Sharks, on the premise that they self reported.

They must shift $353,000 before the first game. That is $303,000 with the $50,000 "recoup" of pre payment for an unspecified player.

They had 29 players with Segeyaro on the required pre season date: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/04/201 ... all-teams/

So the Segeyaro contract is not registered, and they must promote another minimum wage player in so they have 29. The NRL minimum wage is $105,000 but four months of the season is gone, so that costs them $70,000. So Segeyaro's contract for eight months, must have been worth roughly $373,000 - meaning his contract value for a whole season would be one third higher than that. So I can't see how that adds up.

Then by 30 June they need to add another player to get to 30. So presumably they need to offload another higher wage player and replace them with two minimum wage players. That's four months cost at $35,000 for each of the minimum wage players... so the player offloaded has to be on an annual $210,000 contract.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by LimeGreenMachine » March 10, 2019, 11:36 am

This is a reply to my tweet by Jason Oliver.

It’s 28 right now. They’ll move somebody before June 30 and probably sign a cheapie and upgrade Segeyaro’s likely Newton Jets contract.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by El_Capitano » March 10, 2019, 11:58 am

This is all assuming they had filled their cap... they may have been 150000 under to start off with... be interesting to see what happen if any of their players get rep bonuses too...


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by gergreg » March 10, 2019, 12:01 pm

greeneyed wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
March 10, 2019, 10:30 am
greeneyed wrote:
March 10, 2019, 6:33 am
They’ve also decided to “recoup” $50,000 of a planned pre payment to one player. And will need to shed another player before June 30. I’m not sure how the math adds up to get them under for Round 1 though.
Nobody knows. Details coming from thr NRL is (deliberately?) very ambiguous.
I think it is deliberately ambiguous. They've gone out of their way to help the Sharks, on the premise that they self reported.

They must shift $353,000 before the first game. That is $303,000 with the $50,000 "recoup" of pre payment for an unspecified player.

They had 29 players with Segeyaro on the required pre season date: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/04/201 ... all-teams/

So the Segeyaro contract is not registered, and they must promote another minimum wage player in so they have 29. The NRL minimum wage is $105,000 but four months of the season is gone, so that costs them $70,000. So Segeyaro's contract for eight months, must have been worth roughly $373,000 - meaning his contract value for a whole season would be one third higher than that. So I can't see how that adds up.

Then by 30 June they need to add another player to get to 30. So presumably they need to offload another higher wage player and replace them with two minimum wage players. That's four months cost at $35,000 for each of the minimum wage players... so the player offloaded has to be on an annual $210,000 contract.
Yeah it doesn't add up at all. That would put Segeyaro in about 500k per season bracket and that's just not realistic.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 10, 2019, 6:09 pm

LimeGreenMachine wrote:
March 10, 2019, 11:36 am
This is a reply to my tweet by Jason Oliver.

It’s 28 right now. They’ll move somebody before June 30 and probably sign a cheapie and upgrade Segeyaro’s likely Newton Jets contract.

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They are 28 by not registering Segeyaro. But they must have 29 by Round 1. This is their problem.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 10, 2019, 8:38 pm

Paul Gallen would quit Cronulla Sharks, NRL if premiership ever stripped

Paul Gallen says he would walk out on the Sharks and rugby league if Cronulla’s 2016 premiership was ever stripped over salary cap issues.

Cronulla escaped that fate despite the NRL uncovering $700,000 in discrepancies from 2013-18 after the club self-reported a $50,000 discrepancy.

Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-galle ... 524e2e76db

Gallen rebukes Smith's salary cap calls: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/gallen-reb ... ca9d3434e5

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by roneel78 » March 10, 2019, 8:51 pm

Dont let the door hit you on the way out champ


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by Northern Raider » March 11, 2019, 8:24 am

Oh no. Plesase don't do it Gal. How about we give you some extra premierships as compensation for even suggesting it. We'll even let you choose which ones.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by Rick » March 11, 2019, 9:58 am

That would sort out their cap issues for this year. Win win.


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by gergreg » March 11, 2019, 10:41 am

greeneyed wrote:Paul Gallen would quit Cronulla Sharks, NRL if premiership ever stripped

Paul Gallen says he would walk out on the Sharks and rugby league if Cronulla’s 2016 premiership was ever stripped over salary cap issues.

Cronulla escaped that fate despite the NRL uncovering $700,000 in discrepancies from 2013-18 after the club self-reported a $50,000 discrepancy.

Read more: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-galle ... 524e2e76db

Gallen rebukes Smith's salary cap calls: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/gallen-reb ... ca9d3434e5

Let's do it! There are huge pluses all round!
I'd love to see a Smith/Gallen testimonial match. Doesn't matter that Smith has already had one, he should have one each year for the next five years. He sure needs the money after the NRL clipped his 'cheating' wings years ago. Smith could bring out his grappling playbook and Gallen could find some stitches to pull out.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by gangrenous » March 11, 2019, 11:56 am

Man, Gallen quitting would be the cherry on a delicious premiership stripping cake!

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Post by -PJ- » March 11, 2019, 1:38 pm

No one cares about you Paul Gallen.

I wanted Hoppa to beat you up the other week..

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 22, 2019, 7:44 am

Cronulla Sharks Paul Gallen confirms he'll retire at the end of 2019

Cronulla Sharks captain Paul Gallen has confirmed the 2019 season will be his last in the NRL.

Gallen announced his retirement on radio, saying he intended to continue his work with Channel Nine and remain involved in clubland in a mentoring role from 2020.

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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » March 22, 2019, 11:05 am

Just give Melbourne back their premierships already and give him an early retirement


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 23, 2019, 9:25 pm

How Shane Flanagan brought Cronulla Sharks to their knees with cap rorts

Shane Flanagan made one fatal mistake that plunged the Cronulla Sharks into a million-dollar salary cap scandal and cost him his job. He sent a confidential spreadsheet of undisclosed player payments from his own private Bigpond account to his Sharks email address on June 3, 2017.

Luke Lewis, James Maloney, Wade Graham, Valentine Holmes, Josh Dugan, Jack Bird and Chris Heighington are the players embroiled in the scandal.

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I... I just... SMH. No words for that


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by bonehead » March 25, 2019, 5:59 am

they absolutely must strip that premiership

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Post by gergreg » March 25, 2019, 7:23 am

It's a DT article so it's either behind a paywall or propaganda. How much did they cheat the cap by?

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 25, 2019, 7:48 am

gergreg wrote:
March 25, 2019, 7:23 am
It's a DT article so it's either behind a paywall or propaganda. How much did they cheat the cap by?

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The reports originally suggested $700,000. But it turns out it was around $1 million. The $700k figure was for the following four years:

2018 $340,000
2019 $240,000
2020 $25,000
2021 $25,000

Between 2013 and 2016 there was another $280,000 for Luke Lewis and Jack Bird according to the report.

They originally self reported $75,000.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by the bone » March 25, 2019, 8:38 am

greeneyed wrote:
gergreg wrote:
March 25, 2019, 7:23 am
It's a DT article so it's either behind a paywall or propaganda. How much did they cheat the cap by?

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The reports originally suggested $700,000. But it turns out it was around $1 million. The $700k figure was for the following four years:

2018 $340,000
2019 $240,000
2020 $25,000
2021 $25,000

Between 2013 and 2016 there was another $280,000 for Luke Lewis and Jack Bird according to the report.

They originally self reported $75,000.
Cheating is cheating, but based on this, sounds like it doesn’t come close to the Storm’s rort


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by gergreg » March 25, 2019, 8:56 am

the bone wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
gergreg wrote:
March 25, 2019, 7:23 am
It's a DT article so it's either behind a paywall or propaganda. How much did they cheat the cap by?

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The reports originally suggested $700,000. But it turns out it was around $1 million. The $700k figure was for the following four years:

2018 $340,000
2019 $240,000
2020 $25,000
2021 $25,000

Between 2013 and 2016 there was another $280,000 for Luke Lewis and Jack Bird according to the report.

They originally self reported $75,000.
Cheating is cheating, but based on this, sounds like it doesn’t come close to the Storm’s rort


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Not even remotely close to the Storm.

How many years was the 1 million over GE?

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by greeneyed » March 25, 2019, 9:13 am

gergreg wrote:
March 25, 2019, 8:56 am
the bone wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
gergreg wrote:
March 25, 2019, 7:23 am
It's a DT article so it's either behind a paywall or propaganda. How much did they cheat the cap by?

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The reports originally suggested $700,000. But it turns out it was around $1 million. The $700k figure was for the following four years:

2018 $340,000
2019 $240,000
2020 $25,000
2021 $25,000

Between 2013 and 2016 there was another $280,000 for Luke Lewis and Jack Bird according to the report.

They originally self reported $75,000.
Cheating is cheating, but based on this, sounds like it doesn’t come close to the Storm’s rort


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Not even remotely close to the Storm.

How many years was the 1 million over GE?

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The figures are given year by year above... 2013 to 2021.

The Storm cheating totalled $3.78 million: $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by the bone » March 25, 2019, 9:34 am

Yikes. That was on a smaller salary cap too


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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2019

Post by edwahu » March 25, 2019, 9:04 pm

It's fair to say the 2019-2021 figures would've increased.

It just shows how easy it is to cheat the cap really. Just don't go sending anything to your work email.

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