2017 State of Origin II: New South Wales V Queensland

[Northern Raider]

Head on footage was inconclusive. No way could you tell if his heel was down or not. What we see on TV is not what the bunker is looking at. They have multiple angles showing at one time. I'm quite amazed we haven't seen any of the other angles available. Could the debate once an for all.

The photo above doesn't prove anything as his heel isn't at its lowest point. Same as the freeze frame of the Hayne no-try that happened a century ago. You will be able to find any number of stills where their foot doesn't touch the line. You only need the one where it touches the line to show it was out.

FWIW the Hayne try his foot may have touched the line but at the time we had Benefit of the Doubt rule in place and the try should have stood. For the Gagai try you need sufficient evidence to overturn the decision. Just going on the head on shot you couldn't overturn the decision as you can't say if the heel was down.

I agree with this entirely. Main issue I had was with the strip calls.

One was a 50-50 call (Wade Graham). Argument both ways on that. Seen them let go more often than not this year.

The other one (Hayne on Gagai I think) looked like an obvious strip watching live. Replay showed Gagai had lost it before Hayne made any play at the ball. Refs got that one wrong. Not justifying the incorrect call but I can understand how they made the mistake.

There were 4 in total

What were the other 2?

[The Nickman]

Queensland fans are the same. In fact sporting fans all around the world are the same. It's part of GEs unconscious bias. Get off your hypocritical high horse

I don't believe I've ever blamed an Origin loss on the referees, I've never seen Archer do it either.

GE perhaps, but we all know GE can be a little special at times in regards to the referees, the Raiders and Queensland.

Honest question, what did you think of those strip calls?

And fwiw, as you know, I'm a passionate Queenslander who bleeds red. But I'm keen to know how you saw them

I remember at least a few strip calls where I said "gosh, that was lucky, that's just poor ball control".

I also remember a blatant knock-back by Queensland in the first ten minutes getting called a knock-on. It goes both ways.

Suck it up, NSW. It's not always the ref's fault you lose, I'd be blaming Jarryd Hayne and his showboating a lot more than the two blokes with the whistle.

[yeh raiders]

Slater being taken out by Maloney, barely touched him - penalty.
A number of times the blues were blocked - no penalty
Blatant QLD offside (as with every series) - no penalty
QLD loose carry's - automatic QLD penalty, no such thing as a lost ball
2 huge forward passes - play on QLD

No surprise NSW management are asking for new refs and no surprise Archer has told the refs to be more vigilant.

Suggesting NSW fans have nothing to whinge about is just ridiculous. It's not a one-off either, it happens all the time.

Thank **** Thurston is out of game 3 - one less fairy tale for the refs to assist in writing.

[CJR]

Hahaha I work around Queenslanders every day and after game one the amount of ref bashing and grub this and grub that was fantastic.

Hey guess what though, that's the same for either side that loses. I love these guys that think it's a strictly NSW thing.

Still a third game to go!

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[Dr Zaius]

Head on footage was inconclusive. No way could you tell if his heel was down or not. What we see on TV is not what the bunker is looking at. They have multiple angles showing at one time. I'm quite amazed we haven't seen any of the other angles available. Could the debate once an for all.

The photo above doesn't prove anything as his heel isn't at its lowest point. Same as the freeze frame of the Hayne no-try that happened a century ago. You will be able to find any number of stills where their foot doesn't touch the line. You only need the one where it touches the line to show it was out.

FWIW the Hayne try his foot may have touched the line but at the time we had Benefit of the Doubt rule in place and the try should have stood. For the Gagai try you need sufficient evidence to overturn the decision. Just going on the head on shot you couldn't overturn the decision as you can't say if the heel was down.

I agree with this entirely. Main issue I had was with the strip calls.

One was a 50-50 call (Wade Graham). Argument both ways on that. Seen them let go more often than not this year.

The other one (Hayne on Gagai I think) looked like an obvious strip watching live. Replay showed Gagai had lost it before Hayne made any play at the ball. Refs got that one wrong. Not justifying the incorrect call but I can understand how they made the mistake.

There were 4 in total

What were the other 2?

According to the NRL app, Maloney in the 4th, Peats in the 40th, Hayne in the 60th and the big one, the game decider, Graham in the 74th.

[Dr Zaius]

Queensland fans are the same. In fact sporting fans all around the world are the same. It's part of GEs unconscious bias. Get off your hypocritical high horse

I don't believe I've ever blamed an Origin loss on the referees, I've never seen Archer do it either.

GE perhaps, but we all know GE can be a little special at times in regards to the referees, the Raiders and Queensland.

Honest question, what did you think of those strip calls?

And fwiw, as you know, I'm a passionate Queenslander who bleeds red. But I'm keen to know how you saw them

I remember at least a few strip calls where I said "gosh, that was lucky, that's just poor ball control".

I also remember a blatant knock-back by Queensland in the first ten minutes getting called a knock-on. It goes both ways.

Suck it up, NSW. It's not always the ref's fault you lose, I'd be blaming Jarryd Hayne and his showboating a lot more than the two blokes with the whistle.

Strips almost always go the way of the defending team unless blatant. Loose balls are almost always called knock ons. That's just the way it is. The strip call in the 74th minute was crucial. That goes NSW way, they win pure and simple.

[Northern Raider]

Main issue I had was with the strip calls.

One was a 50-50 call (Wade Graham). Argument both ways on that. Seen them let go more often than not this year.

The other one (Hayne on Gagai I think) looked like an obvious strip watching live. Replay showed Gagai had lost it before Hayne made any play at the ball. Refs got that one wrong. Not justifying the incorrect call but I can understand how they made the mistake.

There were 4 in total

What were the other 2?

According to the NRL app, Maloney in the 4th, Peats in the 40th, Hayne in the 60th and the big one, the game decider, Graham in the 74th.

..and you have an issue with all of them?

Maloney one he just got himself in a bad position. He was a bit unlucky in that regard but its a penalty any day of the week. If you spend time seething about them you will be a very angry league fan the rest of your life.

I don't really recall the Peats penalty but I do remember being amazed they didn't take the 2 with only 30 secs left in the half. Ultimately it had no impact on the game.

[Dr Zaius]

Yeah that first one was fair enough.

The second one Peats had his hand on Glasby's chest and upper arm. The ball was dislodged by Peats elbow when Glasby was put on his back. Glasby simply lost it. It may not have been a factor in the wash up but certainly made it clear that ball security was optional for Queensland.

The other thing that hasn't been bought up is that the last try came off a repeat set forced by an offside Slater. Live I thought that he was a mile offside, but it was only marginal, so I'll forgive them. Still I'm baffled why it wasn't checked given it was a try scoring opportunity.

[Archer]

Doc, dead set you're having a laugh mate let it go.
Ball security was optional for QLD? Go back and watch the 33rd minute (I think) where a NSW defender has his hands on the ball and they (fair enough) rule it as the QLD attacker not having enough control, then something like 2 tackles after the scrum Fifi (maybe?) dropping the ball in the play the ball after brushing against a QLD leg and the refs penalising QLD for "Ruck interference".

Slater offside on the kick? Watch the 44th minute (I Think) where NSW did the "double kick" which was barely scooped up by Slater, the NSW player (might have been Graham) who kicked it the second time was a meter in front of the first kicker, so it should have been a penalty to QLD back close to the halfway mark.

Calls go against you sometimes, what a shock.

[Dr Zaius]

Doc, dead set you're having a laugh mate let it go.
Ball security was optional for QLD? Go back and watch the 33rd minute (I think) where a NSW defender has his hands on the ball and they (fair enough) rule it as the QLD attacker not having enough control, then something like 2 tackles after the scrum Fifi (maybe?) dropping the ball in the play the ball after brushing against a QLD leg and the refs penalising QLD for "Ruck interference".

Slater offside on the kick? Watch the 44th minute (I Think) where NSW did the "double kick" which was barely scooped up by Slater, the NSW player (might have been Graham) who kicked it the second time was a meter in front of the first kicker, so it should have been a penalty to QLD back close to the halfway mark.

Calls go against you sometimes, what a shock.

There's a big difference in outcome between a team not getting a penalty but still getting the ball, and a team having to drop out instead of getting a penalty. Given that Queensland scored the match winning try off the back of that drop out, the crucial match changing call went the way of Queensland. I mean, if that's correctly ruled offside, NSW get a penalty, kick it upfield and win the game. History is littered with crucial match winning calls going the way of Queensland. Still, as I said above, it was marginal and I'm not hung up on it.

[Archer]

Doc, dead set you're having a laugh mate let it go.
Ball security was optional for QLD? Go back and watch the 33rd minute (I think) where a NSW defender has his hands on the ball and they (fair enough) rule it as the QLD attacker not having enough control, then something like 2 tackles after the scrum Fifi (maybe?) dropping the ball in the play the ball after brushing against a QLD leg and the refs penalising QLD for "Ruck interference".

Slater offside on the kick? Watch the 44th minute (I Think) where NSW did the "double kick" which was barely scooped up by Slater, the NSW player (might have been Graham) who kicked it the second time was a meter in front of the first kicker, so it should have been a penalty to QLD back close to the halfway mark.

Calls go against you sometimes, what a shock.

I mean, if that's correctly ruled offside, NSW get a penalty, kick it upfield and win the game.

Nah, IF the one i pointed out was ruled correctly QLD are starting the set from 30 out, score on the first tackle and already have a 40 point lead by the Slater offside (which doesn't actually happen because instead they kick for touch). Also Thurston isn't injured, Sharks are stripped of their premiership for being drug cheats and we win tomorrows game by a clutch field goal that Sezer puts over from 60 out.

[Dr Zaius]

Doc, dead set you're having a laugh mate let it go.
Ball security was optional for QLD? Go back and watch the 33rd minute (I think) where a NSW defender has his hands on the ball and they (fair enough) rule it as the QLD attacker not having enough control, then something like 2 tackles after the scrum Fifi (maybe?) dropping the ball in the play the ball after brushing against a QLD leg and the refs penalising QLD for "Ruck interference".

Slater offside on the kick? Watch the 44th minute (I Think) where NSW did the "double kick" which was barely scooped up by Slater, the NSW player (might have been Graham) who kicked it the second time was a meter in front of the first kicker, so it should have been a penalty to QLD back close to the halfway mark.

Calls go against you sometimes, what a shock.

I mean, if that's correctly ruled offside, NSW get a penalty, kick it upfield and win the game.

Nah, IF the one i pointed out was ruled correctly QLD are starting the set from 30 out, score on the first tackle and already have a 40 point lead by the Slater offside (which doesn't actually happen because instead they kick for touch). Also Thurston isn't injured, Sharks are stripped of their premiership for being drug cheats and we win tomorrows game by a clutch field goal that Sezer puts over from 60 out.

You are definitely touched in the head. No way does Sezer nail a FG, let alone one 60 out.

[greeneyed]

Could the oversized images above be reduced please?

[Northern Raider]

Yep, all the refs fault.

[Archer]

You are definitely touched in the head. No way does Sezer nail a FG, let alone one 60 out.

Well not now he won't because they didn't award the penalty! That's what I'm saying, the first missed call is the bigger travesty in all of this and their should be some sort of integrity investigation.