2017 NRL Rd 4: Teams and Game Day

[Raiders666]

Boyd **** all over Vaughan last yr.... i love Vaughan as a player but to say it's not even close is laughable

[CJR]

Also JT tackled the legs in the air of the Titans number 7. Wait and see if he gets charged.....

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Was thinking about this myself today
Much later hit than Sia's and he received a charge. It's going to be a tough one for me to discuss, because i dont think EITHER were bad enough to deserve a charge, so when JT isnt charged, do i get upset about Thurston being a protected species, or do i applaud the MRC for not ridgedly sticking to a bad precedent?

Probably an easier call for other fans who buy into the "they're out to get us" mantra.

Well he didn't get charged...

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[Botman]

Boyd **** all over Vaughan last yr.... i love Vaughan as a player but to say it's not even close is laughable

Vaughan was playing limited minutes and for a coach who clearly didn't want him. And still for the most part out performed Boyd
Sorry I love Boyd and I love Junior, both really good footballers and we'll get on fine with those two packing down in our scum but Paul Vaughan is and has always been better than both

[greeneyed]

Shannon Boyd and Junior Paulo are being clearly outperformed by Paul Vaughan. Time to lift your game boys.

Paul Vaughan certainly was not better in the latter half of last year. But he certainly is in the first four rounds.

[zim]

Boyd **** all over Vaughan last yr.... i love Vaughan as a player but to say it's not even close is laughable

Vaughan was playing limited minutes and for a coach who clearly didn't want him. And still for the most part out performed Boyd
Sorry I love Boyd and I love Junior, both really good footballers and we'll get on fine with those two packing down in our scum but Paul Vaughan is and has always been better than both

And Vaughan was stuck with those minutes because of a **** attitude and off field issues. It's amazing what a player can actually do when they sort out their off field rubbish. He wasn't going to do it for us.
It's really not unusual to see a guy that's held back by that stuff suddenly pull it together at a new club, in a new environment where they have to prove they're the man rather than that woe is me attitude.

[afgtnk]

When Paul Vaughan was out whistling at girls in Civic, Shannon Boyd was putting in stellar performances for his country at the the 4 Nations.

I think it's pretty clear who's better and who has the best chances for future success.

[greeneyed]

I can tell you who is playing best right now. Paul Vaughan. By a LONG way.

[afgtnk]

Good on him - as a former player of ours and a Canberra junior I hope he plays out a great career.

There's just no way he's more talented than either Boyd or Paulo. None. His form is temporary but their class is permanent.

[greeneyed]

Yep, time for Shannon Boyd and Junior Paulo to look at what Paul Vaughan is delivering on the field. They are not coming close.

[RTW]

Not sure on minutes played but it seemed like Boyd played very low minutes again last Friday.

Can anyone who has time check his minutes per game this season?


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[Botman]

He's run for more metres so far in 2017 than Paulo and Boyd combined.
He's out paced Papalii by more than 100 metres across 4 games. Only Jordan Rapana has more ARM in our team, and he wins it by about 10-12 yards. Vaughan's had 43 runs compared to 31 and 28 for Boyd and Paulo... So Vaughan has had 16 less carries than our starting book ends and has out performed their combined yardage

He's made 90 tackles for 3 misses, compared to our much more talented and classy front rowers who have 106/7 and 64/3 respectively. He has 8 tackle breaks, for 3 line breaks and and 2 tries.
Paulo and Boyd have 1 line break and try between them (yes im giving Paulo that Whitehead try last week as it was an absolute gift, still cant believe the big fella gave it up!)
Vaughan has 0 errors. Boyd also has zero, Paulo has 2.

I love Boyd, i love Paulo. They are awesome but they are flat out getting their arses kicked in right now by guys like Paul Vaughan.

The numbers certain indicate which player is more talented. And it's not the one doing his thing in lime green. If those two are clearly more talented than him, then it's high time they **** showed up and proved in in 2017, because it's a greasy horror show for them right now

[Northern Raider]

He's run for more metres so far in 2017 than Paulo and Boyd combined.
He's out paced Papalii by more than 100 metres across 4 games. Only Jordan Rapana has more ARM in our team, and he wins it by about 10-12 yards. Vaughan's had 43 runs compared to 31 and 28 for Boyd and Paulo... So Vaughan has had 16 less carries than our starting book ends and has out performed their combined yardage

He's made 90 tackles for 3 misses, compared to our much more talented and classy front rowers who have 106/7 and 64/3 respectively. He has 8 tackle breaks, for 3 line breaks and and 2 tries.
Paulo and Boyd have 1 line break and try between them (yes im giving Paulo that Whitehead try last week as it was an absolute gift, still cant believe the big fella gave it up!)
Vaughan has 0 errors. Boyd also has zero, Paulo has 2.

I love Boyd, i love Paulo. They are awesome but they are flat out getting their arses kicked in right now by guys like Paul Vaughan.

The numbers certain indicate which player is more talented. And it's not the one doing his thing in lime green. If those two are clearly more talented than him, then it's high time they **** showed up and proved in in 2017, because it's a greasy horror show for them right now

I'd argue that Vaughan is showing up just about every prop in the NRL at the moment. He's the form front rower without doubt. None of us should be shocked by this. He's only doing what he's capable of when he applies himself. We all expected him to play Origin last year. Unfortunately he wasn't buying into Sticky's program and failed to realise that potential.

[SeeBee101]

I'm happy enough with Paulo's performances. I have an issue with Boyd's. It seems he is playing less and less game time each week. He should be pumping out at least 40-50 minutes a game, alas he is not.

It's also quite concerning that our whole bench has made more metres than him over the past two weeks including Priest. He needs to step up big time

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[gerg]

I'm sure he will return to form once it cools down a bit.

[pickles]

There's no doubt in my mind that our forward stats have been hampered by our completion rates and overall possession. It's pretty hard to be smashing out big meters gained stats with 45% or less of the ball!

We certainly haven't seen the best of our starting front row yet but an even balance of possession would at least give them a fighting chance.

You could also argue that the dragons have played very different games to what the raiders have. Let's see how the stats even out across the season.

Not having a go at Vaughn. He is an absolute weapon and was on track for origin. It's good to see him back at his best but it's also doubtful he would have managed that at the raiders.

[Woodgers]

I don't have much to say in the front rowers debate but the numbers Piggy just chucked up in relation to Vaughan are very impressive. I think one factor though is he'd get more carries at the Dragons due to the genuine lack of players demanding the ball, whereas here everyone wants it. Vaughan has made himself the clear forward leader there already, i'd say when he wants the ball he's generally getting it. Still, he has to roll his sleeves up and demand it so good on him.

[Hazza]

The reason Vaughan was let go was cos he had a clause in his contract that if he played a certain number of games he'd get a massive pay rise. We couldn't afford to keep him. He wasn't dropped or released for performance. Stick didn't want to let him go. We had little option. He is and always was a better prop then Boyd and Paulo. Now I love Boydy but I think he was a tad fortunate to get picked for Australia, there are several props in front of him imo.