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All Stars spectacle could be killed off in overhaul of NRL pre-season
CHIEF executives from all 16 NRL clubs will converge in Sydney on Monday to decide on a major overhaul of the 2014 pre-season, which could include the scrapping of the annual NRL and Indigenous All Stars concept and the introduction of a Super Nines tournament in New Zealand.
This year's World Cup, which will feature the game's elite, is placing pressure on the All Stars match which will be played just over two months after the World Cup final on November 30.
The serious concern for player burnout following the World Cup features heavily throughout a 14-page document sent to all 16 clubs, which The Sunday Telegraph has obtained ahead of Monday's CEO conference at League Central.
The document explains how the NRL has agreed with the players association to undertake research into the possible impact of the World Cup on the 2014 pre-season "with a focus on the All Stars match".
The Sunday Telegraph has been told that the NRL will discuss three options surrounding the All Stars with all 16 CEO's Monday including:
* Postponing the 2014 All Stars for one year;
* Gaining a commitment to the All Stars from the game's best players, including Johnathan Thurston, Cameron Smith and Greg Inglis;
* Sacrificing the credibility of the concept by keeping the All Stars concept, but without the game's best players involved.
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CHIEF executives from all 16 NRL clubs will converge in Sydney on Monday to decide on a major overhaul of the 2014 pre-season, which could include the scrapping of the annual NRL and Indigenous All Stars concept and the introduction of a Super Nines tournament in New Zealand.
This year's World Cup, which will feature the game's elite, is placing pressure on the All Stars match which will be played just over two months after the World Cup final on November 30.
The serious concern for player burnout following the World Cup features heavily throughout a 14-page document sent to all 16 clubs, which The Sunday Telegraph has obtained ahead of Monday's CEO conference at League Central.
The document explains how the NRL has agreed with the players association to undertake research into the possible impact of the World Cup on the 2014 pre-season "with a focus on the All Stars match".
The Sunday Telegraph has been told that the NRL will discuss three options surrounding the All Stars with all 16 CEO's Monday including:
* Postponing the 2014 All Stars for one year;
* Gaining a commitment to the All Stars from the game's best players, including Johnathan Thurston, Cameron Smith and Greg Inglis;
* Sacrificing the credibility of the concept by keeping the All Stars concept, but without the game's best players involved.
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I don't like the All Stars concept anyway.
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The all stars game is just a tester for random rules they grab from other sports
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Im happy to lose the All Star game from the schedule.
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If the 9s replace it Im ok with it as well
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I don't mind seeing the All Stars game gone ... after todays game, we wouldn't have anyone in the All Star anyhow
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This match has proven to be great for the code, great recognition for the Indigenous community and good for reconciliation.
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Yes it has, but it has a short life span imogreeneyed wrote:This match has proven to be great for the code, great recognition for the Indigenous community and good for reconciliation.
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If they can replace the All Stars with the 9s tournament I'll be happy, just as long as we get some rugby league when I'm league-starved I'll be happy.
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Totally agree, it is the best idea the League has had since Origin started. I love it and it is good for the game. I can't see the point of Nines.greeneyed wrote:This match has proven to be great for the code, great recognition for the Indigenous community and good for reconciliation.
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This is going to sound rather awful, but I fail to see the reconciliation aspects of this concept. The week leading up to it and getting out into the community is great, but the actual match itself??
When you live in a community with a rather high indigenous population, you view the game with different eyes a little bit. When they're watching the game and screaming "smash those white ****s" it preaches anything but reconciliation in my eyes.
To me it's like saying state of origin promotes goodwill between NSW and Qld.
It's probably just me that feels this way but I have no absolutely affiliation with the All-Stars team. In fact quite the opposite. I kind of feel like if I were to support them I'd be viewed a racist. I watch this game every year at my local pub with up to a dozen indigenous people whom I am proud to call my mates and family too.
When you live in a community with a rather high indigenous population, you view the game with different eyes a little bit. When they're watching the game and screaming "smash those white ****s" it preaches anything but reconciliation in my eyes.
To me it's like saying state of origin promotes goodwill between NSW and Qld.
It's probably just me that feels this way but I have no absolutely affiliation with the All-Stars team. In fact quite the opposite. I kind of feel like if I were to support them I'd be viewed a racist. I watch this game every year at my local pub with up to a dozen indigenous people whom I am proud to call my mates and family too.
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Just put an indigenous team in the 9s tournament.
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Now THAT is a great idea.PrimetimeRaider wrote:Just put an indigenous team in the 9s tournament.
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Wouldn't that still create the exact same problem you spoke about? A group of indigenous people screaming smash those white c***s or whites screaming the same thing? You will obviously still have a team of non indigenous playing vs indigenous, and the diversity that it comes with.The Nickman wrote:Now THAT is a great idea.PrimetimeRaider wrote:Just put an indigenous team in the 9s tournament.
If there is a flow over of how many people get selected for the indigenous team will they happily play for a non indigenous team, or does that also create a new problem?
I would much rather see the greatest athletes playing, not the best indigenous vs the best non indigenous - I don't care one bit what colour anyone's skin is. Until both positive AND negative racism is removed and we stop segregating due to race we won't ever truly move past racism. It's actually a bit sad that it most likely won't happen for a very, very long time.
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I don't know. When it's in a tournament I can't see it being as confrontational. Certainly no-one would begrudge me supporting the Raiders in this instance.Raider Bell wrote:Wouldn't that still create the exact same problem you spoke about? A group of indigenous people screaming smash those white c***s or whites screaming the same thing? You will obviously still have a team of non indigenous playing vs indigenous, and the diversity that it comes with.The Nickman wrote:Now THAT is a great idea.PrimetimeRaider wrote:Just put an indigenous team in the 9s tournament.
If there is a flow over of how many people get selected for the indigenous team will they happily play for a non indigenous team, or does that also create a new problem?
I would much rather see the greatest athletes playing, not the best indigenous vs the best non indigenous - I don't care one bit what colour anyone's skin is. Until both positive AND negative racism is removed and we stop segregating due to race we won't ever truly move past racism. It's actually a bit sad that it most likely won't happen for a very, very long time.
Like I said, this is just my take on the whole concept, I'm sure plenty others disagree.
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I agree 100% with what you said. It just doesn't seem to do what they want it to do (reconciliation) at all I reckon.
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I often wonder how the concept would go if you did an NFL version..
Aside from one team dominating, the other would be full of quality QB,s
Aside from one team dominating, the other would be full of quality QB,s
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I think you have a fairly good point. I dont see much from the indigenous side of things, but ive heard people yell **** you'd be embarrassed to think in support of the all star sideThe Nickman wrote:This is going to sound rather awful, but I fail to see the reconciliation aspects of this concept. The week leading up to it and getting out into the community is great, but the actual match itself??
When you live in a community with a rather high indigenous population, you view the game with different eyes a little bit. When they're watching the game and screaming "smash those white ****s" it preaches anything but reconciliation in my eyes.
To me it's like saying state of origin promotes goodwill between NSW and Qld.
It's probably just me that feels this way but I have no absolutely affiliation with the All-Stars team. In fact quite the opposite. I kind of feel like if I were to support them I'd be viewed a racist. I watch this game every year at my local pub with up to a dozen indigenous people whom I am proud to call my mates and family too.
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It wouldnt be as lopsided as you thinkWorm wrote:I often wonder how the concept would go if you did an NFL version..
Aside from one team dominating, the other would be full of quality QB,s
the whitey's could still churn out an pretty gun team. And the blacks QB wouldnt be near as good. RB and CB are a concern for the whiteys offense could be:
QB: Aaron Rodgers
FB: John Kuhn
RB: Peyten Hillis, Danny Woodhead
WR: Jordy Nealson, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Eric Decker
TE: Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski
OL: Joe Thomas (LT), Evan Mathis (LG), Nick Mangold (C), Josh Sitton (RG), Jake Long (RT)
3-4 Defense:
DL: JJ Watt (DE), Justin Smith (DT), Jared Allen (DE)
LB: Clay Matthews (OLB), Sean Lee (ILB), Brian Cushings (ILB), Paul Kruger (OLB)
CB: Tony Carter, Eric Weddle, Steve Gregory
S: Harrison Smith, Kurt Coleman
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Ha! That's a decent team.. It's missing in the RB dept.. But geez.. Throw Tebow and Big Ben in there and make em earn their keep..
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The secondary is horrendous. Smith and Weddle are good but the others are **** hopeless
But yeah, RB isnt great but with those TE's and WR's you probably wont spend much time running the ball
But yeah, RB isnt great but with those TE's and WR's you probably wont spend much time running the ball
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Very true.. The arm that supports and the air assault is top notch!
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Thats a pretty good group of gym rats and scrappy playersNick wrote:It wouldnt be as lopsided as you thinkWorm wrote:I often wonder how the concept would go if you did an NFL version..
Aside from one team dominating, the other would be full of quality QB,s
the whitey's could still churn out an pretty gun team. And the blacks QB wouldnt be near as good. RB and CB are a concern for the whiteys offense could be:
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FB: John Kuhn
RB: Peyten Hillis, Danny Woodhead
WR: Jordy Nealson, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Eric Decker
TE: Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski
OL: Joe Thomas (LT), Evan Mathis (LG), Nick Mangold (C), Josh Sitton (RG), Jake Long (RT)
3-4 Defense:
DL: JJ Watt (DE), Justin Smith (DT), Jared Allen (DE)
LB: Clay Matthews (OLB), Sean Lee (ILB), Brian Cushings (ILB), Paul Kruger (OLB)
CB: Tony Carter, Eric Weddle, Steve Gregory
S: Harrison Smith, Kurt Coleman
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you're a brave man nicko. I expected the liberals to be all over you by now, distorting your words and robbing you of your right to an opinionThe Nickman wrote:This is going to sound rather awful, but I fail to see the reconciliation aspects of this concept. The week leading up to it and getting out into the community is great, but the actual match itself??
When you live in a community with a rather high indigenous population, you view the game with different eyes a little bit. When they're watching the game and screaming "smash those white ****s" it preaches anything but reconciliation in my eyes.
To me it's like saying state of origin promotes goodwill between NSW and Qld.
It's probably just me that feels this way but I have no absolutely affiliation with the All-Stars team. In fact quite the opposite. I kind of feel like if I were to support them I'd be viewed a racist. I watch this game every year at my local pub with up to a dozen indigenous people whom I am proud to call my mates and family too.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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I'm pretty sure all clubs are represented David, no matter how bad the raiders are going...david231280 wrote:I don't mind seeing the All Stars game gone ... after todays game, we wouldn't have anyone in the All Star anyhow
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Start the season a week earlier, drop the byes and make soo stand alone weekends.
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Nooooo, leave Origin alone!!Shadow Boxer wrote:Start the season a week earlier, drop the byes and make soo stand alone weekends.
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No it screws up the whole season, the best teams don't finish high enough and teams that lose more than they win make te 8The Nickman wrote:Nooooo, leave Origin alone!!Shadow Boxer wrote:Start the season a week earlier, drop the byes and make soo stand alone weekends.
Drop tat Anzac Day test as well, that's te spot for game 1
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All Stars cancelled as Nines is born
THE NRL is refusing to concede the annual NRL Indigenous All Stars clash is dead - despite the concept being sacrificed next season, just four years after its inception.
All Stars coach Wayne Bennett has been asked to join the NRL at a press conference today to announce a major overhaul of next year's pre-season.
It will see the inclusion of an inaugural NRL Nines event in Auckland which, despite its $2.2 million prizemoney, has been criticised by Penrith general manager Phil Gould.
Rugby league's end-of-year World Cup, which concludes with the final on November 30, has led to the All Stars, which is usually held in the second week of February, being squeezed from next year's pre-season.
More than 100 NRL players from Australia, New Zealand, England, Papua New Guinea, Italy, Tonga and the Cook Islands will play at the World Cup.
An email obtained by The Daily Telegraph detailing the 2014 pre-season calendar and a subsequent phone hook-up of all 16 clubs yesterday confirmed the overhaul.
The fear of forcing the game's elite, including World Cup certainties Greg Inglis, Cameron Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Billy Slater, Sam Burgess, Kieran Foran and Shaun Johnson, into making themselves available for the All Stars just eight weeks after the World Cup was the main reason behind the NRL's decision to scrap the annual exhibition match.
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THE NRL is refusing to concede the annual NRL Indigenous All Stars clash is dead - despite the concept being sacrificed next season, just four years after its inception.
All Stars coach Wayne Bennett has been asked to join the NRL at a press conference today to announce a major overhaul of next year's pre-season.
It will see the inclusion of an inaugural NRL Nines event in Auckland which, despite its $2.2 million prizemoney, has been criticised by Penrith general manager Phil Gould.
Rugby league's end-of-year World Cup, which concludes with the final on November 30, has led to the All Stars, which is usually held in the second week of February, being squeezed from next year's pre-season.
More than 100 NRL players from Australia, New Zealand, England, Papua New Guinea, Italy, Tonga and the Cook Islands will play at the World Cup.
An email obtained by The Daily Telegraph detailing the 2014 pre-season calendar and a subsequent phone hook-up of all 16 clubs yesterday confirmed the overhaul.
The fear of forcing the game's elite, including World Cup certainties Greg Inglis, Cameron Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Billy Slater, Sam Burgess, Kieran Foran and Shaun Johnson, into making themselves available for the All Stars just eight weeks after the World Cup was the main reason behind the NRL's decision to scrap the annual exhibition match.
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Do you think teams will really send good players to this on seasons eve, we couldn't even get them to play in the all stars. Most teams will just send fringe players.
Then we will have 140 NRL players on the grog in Auckland for week, the pre-season scandals will be endless.
Then we will have 140 NRL players on the grog in Auckland for week, the pre-season scandals will be endless.
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Stella pre season entertainmentShadow Boxer wrote:Do you think teams will really send good players to this on seasons eve, we couldn't even get them to play in the all stars. Most teams will just send fringe players.
Then we will have 140 NRL players on the grog in Auckland for week, the pre-season scandals will be endless.
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With the prize money available I think teams will take it more seriously than the all stars
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The Tigpies were one of the few sides to take the Sevens seriously in Sydney, I think the Eels might have had a crack too, but as you say most sides will send out fringe players.
I notice that whinger coach of Melbourne has said that he's going to pull all of his rep players who have played the World Cup. He's going to prevent them playing 2-3 games of Nines, but he's fine for them to play 60-80 mins of the All Stars games each year? ****!
I notice that whinger coach of Melbourne has said that he's going to pull all of his rep players who have played the World Cup. He's going to prevent them playing 2-3 games of Nines, but he's fine for them to play 60-80 mins of the All Stars games each year? ****!
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Keen to see it happen. Nines will be great, enough teams will be interested in the prize money to take it seriously
We'll be able to field a pretty handy side i recon
We'll be able to field a pretty handy side i recon
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teams wont take it seriously.
Ours would have the likes of Kennedy, Picker, Boyd and Uiti Baker
Ours would have the likes of Kennedy, Picker, Boyd and Uiti Baker
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.