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rayden83

Its obvious that Croker cant be honourably managed out of the Raiders, he simply needs to be dropped to reserves never to be seen in first grade again. Sure it will ruffle some feathers amongst the playing group and provoke a media firestorm but they are secondary problems to the main problem of Cro...

rayden83

Botman wrote: ↑April 12, 2021, 9:34 pm Can we rule out the charnze that that Aekins at 23 isnt better than Nicoll-Klokstad at 23?
I cant say that.

Its not just who’s better, its the human element. Is he capable of being Ricky’s guy? These are the critical questions that need to be answered.

rayden83

Seiffert82 wrote: ↑April 12, 2021, 8:40 pm Aekins will likely get it, maybe Simonson (bad mistake), but if it were up to me I'd be putting Wighton back there and either bringing Sammy W into the halves or rolling the dice on Hodgson at 6

No, no and no

rayden83

It’s not awful news. It gives a proper chance to take a gander at Aekins, who apparently at one time was Panther’s preferred fullback. If Aekins sucks then we can try Hopoate there. If they both suck CNK should be back well before finals.

rayden83

Boomercm wrote: ↑April 11, 2021, 2:50 pm This was a fun read. Well done Rayden on successfully navigating the pile on - which was entirely predictable given the respect with which Paps is deservedly held.

Yay a friend

rayden83

It’s not closing, we just need to address the issues in the backline. The best way to do that is to throw money bags at some elite talent. I’m sure there’s plenty of studs playing for crap clubs who would love to sign for an elite team like Raiders. The prospect of Canberra may not excite them but p...

rayden83

Is it possible that Ricky Stuart as a 40yo wasn’t definitely a better coach than Morris?

rayden83

Great Bloke great clubman but **** hes getting completely monstered, A pretty astute judge of Rugby league said to me last year he has never rated Croker, I wasike what the **** and ready to rip him a new one, but started to reflect back through the years, A great under 20s player, half decent cent...

rayden83

If you're going to this level of effort than post up the 'season review' data for Corey as a comparison. You know... to back up your original claim. Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk We have to wait until the season is done to make a comparable analysis. If he turns on the afterburners it could ...

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Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 10, 2021, 9:52 pm So a 7.5/10 in 2012 when he hadn't hit his stride yet. 7/10 in 2017 when he finally did hit his stride.

With comments like that I really feel like I’m starting to win this battle.

rayden83

Josh Papalii season in review thegh.com.au 2012 - 7.5/10 2013 - 6.5/10 “Probably 5.5 or 6/10 is a fair rating. Had some really great games like the Cowboys at home but was pretty quiet for most of the year compared to last year.” 2014 - 4.5/10 “Reasonable end to the year, but for a guy who could be ...

rayden83

You can keep saying it as much as you like You’re wrong There is a gulf of difference in their natural talent and ability. And yes, Papalii was one of the best edge forward in the world before moving to the middles If you’re incapable of seeing or understanding that, there is nothing more I can do ...

rayden83

BJ bought his “bad habits” from Newcastle. Despite his “bad habits” he and Rapana were the most dangerous right flank in the competition for years. They were a key reason we made the GF. His brain snaps were evident from day one, it was simply a case of taking the bad with the good. He definitely lo...

rayden83

Papa had played 104 FG games, 4 origins and 4 Tests by the time he was 23... Hors has played 28 FG games, 0 Origins and 0 Tests at the same age... I mean that seems clear cut to me, but I do intend to keep subscribing to your newsletter. Glenn Lazarus at 23 0 Origins 0 test Paul Gallen at 23 0 Orig...

rayden83

You can keep saying it as much as you like You’re wrong There is a gulf of difference in their natural talent and ability. And yes, Papalii was one of the best edge forward in the world before moving to the middles If you’re incapable of seeing or understanding that, there is nothing more I can do ...

rayden83

Yeah he’s battling at the moment, but we made our bed letting Cotric and BJ go. Sure both are stinking it up elsewhere and there’s no way we could’ve kept both, but Ricky knew how to get the best out of them and I’d have kept either one of them over Croker. Both better ball runners and damaging att...

rayden83

Amazing. Barely three games back and the knives are already turning for Croker. He couldn't even get through a quarter of the season before fans beg for him to be dropped. What happened to him being "Ricky's guy"? What happened to the "human element"?

rayden83

Let me know when Hors has an state or international reps to his name Until then, hit the bricks Your eye for talent sucks and is clearly broken. Or you just never really saw papalii Either way, it’s misguided at best and stupid at worst to compare those players at the same age, on talent or achieve...

rayden83

Begbie wrote: ↑April 9, 2021, 10:24 pm
Rickmando wrote: ↑April 9, 2021, 10:24 pm Remove any emotion or sentimentality.

Anyone who is looking at Croker the past 2 years and thinks he is playing at NRL standard - you need your eyes checked or you don’t understand modern rugby league
Its not a happy situation.

But but but he's the captain

rayden83

Your take is wrong If you can’t rule it out, that’s fine. I can’t make you. But they’re on different levels of football at the same age Hors has the talent to maybe make a less than impressive QLD team At the same age Papalii had already played his way into the most dominant date state team of all ...

rayden83

Our backs are killing us. Simonnsen is a ghost. The less said about Croker the better. Kris is the only one who shows some ticker.

rayden83

Seriously? The guy is pretty clearly asking for it. He's still going on! Sent from my SM-N986B using Tapatalk Giving an opinion on football, no matter how outlandish your pea brain think it may be, doesn't warrant name calling. at some point a spade has to be called a spade and anyone actually legi...

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Botty can you at least respond to this link which doesn't consider Papa to be in the top 3-4 second rowers, let alone back rowers? Can you find me an article or some evidence of a qualified person that has him in the top 3-4? (note: your brain farts do not count as qualified opinion) https://www.nrl...

rayden83

Can we dial down the temperature a bit please? No need for the pile on... or name calling, thanks. Seriously? The guy is pretty clearly asking for it. He's still going on! Sent from my SM-N986B using Tapatalk Giving an opinion on football, no matter how outlandish your pea brain think it may be, do...

rayden83

Yeah, down with the mob. I'm disappointed with you NR. At least the others try to offer some analysis. It's clear that your intellect doesn't extend beyond cheap, petty one lines. Down wif NR Just following the mob. Out of interest. How many people agree with you that Papalii didn't hit his trade t...

rayden83

Puts it to bed really. Paps hit his stride very early in his career. Particularly compared to that list. No he didn't. He didn't feature in anyone's top 50 list. No one other than Botman and a few GH dullards thought he was in the top 3-4 backrowers in the WEEERLD. Even Raiders fans didn't think al...

rayden83

Yeah, down with the mob. I'm disappointed with you NR. At least the others try to offer some analysis. It's clear that your intellect doesn't extend beyond cheap, petty one lines. Down wif NR Just following the mob. Out of interest. How many people agree with you that Papalii didn't hit his trade t...

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Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 9, 2021, 7:00 pm Yeah, down with the mob.

I'm disappointed with you NR. At least the others try to offer some analysis. It's clear that your intellect doesn't extend beyond cheap, petty one lines.

Down wif NR

rayden83

Puts it to bed really. Paps hit his stride very early in his career. Particularly compared to that list. No he didn't. He didn't feature in anyone's top 50 list. No one other than Botman and a few GH dullards thought he was in the top 3-4 backrowers in the WEEERLD. Even Raiders fans didn't think al...

rayden83

Can we dial down the temperature a bit please? No need for the pile on... or name calling, thanks. Seriously? The guy is pretty clearly asking for it. He's still going on! Sent from my SM-N986B using Tapatalk I don't care. I've learned the GH mob are more frequently wrong than right. These are the ...

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Papa had played 104 FG games, 4 origins and 4 Tests by the time he was 23... Hors has played 28 FG games, 0 Origins and 0 Tests at the same age... I mean that seems clear cut to me, but I do intend to keep subscribing to your newsletter. Glenn Lazarus at 23 0 Origins 0 test Paul Gallen at 23 0 Orig...

rayden83

I really don't know whether that post solidifies your original argument that Papalii was possibly not better than Hors is at age 23 That post really doesnt support his argument at all! INCREDIBLE scenes Rayden absolutely wallowing in his owns **** here. You love to see it. Like you can talk Botty “...

rayden83

Don't forget Paps had played in a winning World Cup final team at 21. He was also dropped entirely for the 2017 world cup. Interesting. Somebody told us that was they year he finally hit his stride. Then I corrected it (above) to 2016. Hittings ones stride doesnt guarantee rep football. Although he...

rayden83

Here we have it lads, irrefutable proof that I, as always, am correct and it is the mob who are wrong. Raiders fans choice player of the year - Josh Papalii 2012 - 5th 2013 - 6th 2014 - 7th 2015 - 15TH!!!! 2016 - 1st 2017 - 4th 2018 - 1st 2019 - 1st 2020 - 1st This indeed proves that even among Raid...

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Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑April 9, 2021, 8:52 am Don't forget Paps had played in a winning World Cup final team at 21.

He was also dropped entirely for the 2017 world cup.

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